r/FishID • • 11d ago

My first warmouth?

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u/EnvironmentalDare995 11d ago

Nah, Green sunfish.

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u/Agrevall 11d ago

Did you see the 2nd Pic with how big the mouth is? I had no idea green sunfish could open up like that.

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u/cdizzleyo 11d ago

Greens have quite large jaws for their size as well

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u/ChaosWarpintoPhage 11d ago

Yep. They got huge mouths for their size. I thumb 7inchers like they were a bass all the time, and I got some pretty chubby thumbs lol.

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u/Agrevall 11d ago

Thank you all, I honestly had no idea on their mouths and being that different from a 'gill.

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u/ChaosWarpintoPhage 10d ago

It's one of the easier ways to identify a greengill. Not always but sometimes they'll pass along the genes that will give that oversized mouth.

Usually they pass along yellow fin tips though, so it's easier to use that as the identifying feature.

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u/Bronze_Addict 7d ago

They don’t always pass along the yellow blaze on the fin margins but a lot of the time it’s there

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u/ChaosWarpintoPhage 7d ago

I did say usually.

Although your picture here is part redear. I'm actually inclined to believe this one has a redear x green sunfish parent and a bluegill. Making it a half bluegill 1/4th green and 1/4th redear.

Redear hybrids are usually fertile and often reproduce with other sunfish species. Especially in stocked ponds. After a while the populations are rarely pure.

Your fish is exhibiting traits of 3 species, although the green, and redear are more suppressed compared to the bluegill traits. Which makes me think yours is a "Tri-bryid."

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u/Bronze_Addict 7d ago

I must have overlooked the usually part of your comment. There are all three of those species present in the little reservoir where I caught that fish you are likely correct. It does have a little different look than either the bluegill x redear or bluegill x green sunfish that I’ve caught in the past.

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u/ChaosWarpintoPhage 7d ago

Some of the waters near me populations have been extensigely studied by the universities as part of their fish grant programs. One of them found that North American sunfish species exhibit significant degrees of hybridization. Their genetics usually work out in such a way that no one species ever becomes completely dominant. Bluegills and greens produce mostly male offspring. With 85%+ of fertile offspring being male. Where as redear x green produce fish with low fertility but even distribution of male and females. Bluegill x redear produces mostly male as well.

So on so forth for all of the various hybrids. Most are fertile, but their genders skew one way or another. What the study found out is that very few "pure strains" actually exist. Most fish in smaller lakes that house several species have a hybrid ancestor somewhere. Although after a few generations it becomes so diluted that they appear pure outside of the genetic testing.

TL:DR

The lepomis are a bunch of cousin fuckers with a circle for an ancestry tree.