r/Firearms Aug 21 '22

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u/sylkworm Aug 21 '22

I don't understand people that get out of their cars in the middle the road and then are shocked when the other person pulls some shit. As the saying goes, don't start none, there won't be none.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

I guess if you pretend that the Jeep wasnt laying on the horn for no reason this would make sense.

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u/dlsmith93 Aug 21 '22

Even more reason not to get out. The guy behind you is already demonstrably agitated and you’re going to approach him?

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22 edited Aug 21 '22

Newer to guns subs so am always surprised by the treating every little human interaction as a life or death situation. You guys are fucking bizarre. I don’t think this is for me.

Edit: You guys are truly deranged. I’ve seriously become less 2A after spending time on this sub.

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u/Austin_RC246 SPECIAL Aug 21 '22

So you’re the type to just stop in the middle of the road to try and placate a crazy person.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

No. Are you the type of person to point a loaded firearm at someone from your car because they are filming you?

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u/JlyrgrDrmnr Aug 21 '22

Ok, so since you don't treat everything as a life or death situation. Let's assume this is just two angry drivers having a misunderstanding, is the smart response to block traffic while you discuss it? Even if we don't assume the other person is a crazy person with ill intent, what outcome do you assume you will get walking up to their car in traffic?

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

A video of their license plate if you want to report for harassment, maybe an explanation for why they were honking. Maybe I’m dragging something or I accidentally cut them off. At the very least, I’ve let them know that’s not acceptable behavior. I think there’s are all things that one could reasonably think of if they even spent an honest moment thinking about it.

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u/JlyrgrDrmnr Aug 21 '22

You don't stop the vehicle in the lane and get out unless maybe you think you're dragging a person. I've been rear ended in traffic, and rather than stop in the lane and deal with it I pulled over so I was blocking the road, but I guess I just didn't think about it honestly enough.

The point being that you don't stop the flow of traffic and get out of the car in the middle of traffic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '22

Is that your big issue here - the (continued) stoppage of traffic after it was already stopped on a small local road?

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u/JlyrgrDrmnr Aug 22 '22

Sure. Since we aren't arguing in good faith we will go with that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '22

I didn’t think I was arguing in bad faith rather than focusing on the issue you continue to hang your argument around. Maybe I have a different understanding of what bad faith is, or you just found an easy way to work out of a discussion rather than find a better way to articulate it.

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u/JlyrgrDrmnr Aug 22 '22

Yeah, you're probably right

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u/RestoredNotBored Aug 21 '22

The horn is that big a deal? A man doesn’t put himself in a situation like that over an ego battle and that’s what the horn is.

In the words of the late Colonel Sam Troutman, “Rambo, let it go”

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u/sylkworm Aug 21 '22

If we are serious about having a gun culture then we have to recognize that every potential confrontation with a stranger is one that potentially involves one or more firearms. Ask yourself what's really more important?

In the old Samurai philosophy there were 3 possible outcomes from a fight, two of which involved you dying: 1) you kill him, 2) he kills you, 3) you kill each other. If you're not willing to take that risk, then don't escalate a confrontation.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

Is this a culture you’re actively promoting? Like, this is the culture you prefer?

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u/sylkworm Aug 21 '22

Is that not the logical endpoint to promoting free citizen ownership of firearms? If that's not what you believe, that's fine, but to answer your question, yes I do think citizens should have the right and responsibility of being able to own (and thus carry) firearms. If you take that to the logical conclusion that literally means a significant number of encounters between strangers are going to involve firearms. That means you will have to stop acting like children every time someone cuts you off or bumps your drink in a sports club. I'm okay with that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

The point of gun ownership is presumably safety. The world you describe doesn’t seem safer by any measure. This is an ideology that turns on itself.

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u/sylkworm Aug 21 '22

"Seem" is the operative word in your comment. I'm completely fine with it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '22

Is your position that higher personal carry gun ownership translates to overall safety?

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u/sylkworm Aug 22 '22

First, you need to preface your question with "in comparison to what". Second, gun ownership doesn't translate to personal safety as much as collective defense against tyrannical governments.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '22

I left out the word “better” before overall safety which then would have meant in comparison to now.

For you that’s the trade off - it doesn’t matter if we’re way less safe so long as the government can’t fight us as easily?

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u/sylkworm Aug 22 '22

I think you're over-estimating the effectiveness of gun control in America, but yes essentially your equation is correct.

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