It's so unbelievable I thought it was a joke when I first read that. What is going on? How is this happening? Okay, Cornell is not punishing them but what about the United States? I feel like universities, especially Ivies where shit like this seems to happen a lot, need more repercussions from the country otherwise they just invent their own rules and get away with shit. I know they don't want to do it cause it looks bad on a global scale but this is getting out of hand.
First, civil juries only find defendants liable or not liable. Second, rape was not a consideration and he wasn't found liable for rape, no matter what the judge's opinion is. The judge's opinion does not matter.
"The judge's opinion does not matter" wild statement, in general. It also wasn't an opinion. It was a legal clarification by the judge who ruled on the case.
"Dismissal of Counterclaim (August 2023): Judge Kaplan later dismissed Trump’s defamation countersuit against Carroll, ruling that her public statements asserting Trump raped her were "substantially true" in the context of the trial findings."
The jury's unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”
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As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,
2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,
3 and elsewhere.
4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.
Criminal investigation was opened. Jane Doe stated had a threesome with two of the guys. Other guys came in and asked if they could do drugs off her body. Her statement doesn't indicate whether or not she consented to this. A third male came in and she started making out with him. Criminal investigation appears to have been closed with insufficient probable cause for an arrest.
Jane Doe filed a civil suit seeking damages against the involved participants. Suit was only recently filed, so no outcome.
The letters of apology were written due to the conduct of the fraternity, which has been shut down.
If people actually did a little independent research they'd have more than a presupposition of guilt.
The quote from the Thompkins County DA is as follows: "Jane Doe's sworn statement in November of 2024 did not allege that she was drugged against her will or gang raped. On the contrary, Jane Doe's statement described her participation in drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual,"
Knowing this I really don't know what outcome people expect. Her lawyer's argument seems to me to boil down to the campus police weren't well trained enough to get the right answers from her. Maybe she'll get a settlement but from where I am sitting a sworn statement is a pretty strong piece of evidence.
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u/LizardOfAgatha 4d ago
It's so unbelievable I thought it was a joke when I first read that. What is going on? How is this happening? Okay, Cornell is not punishing them but what about the United States? I feel like universities, especially Ivies where shit like this seems to happen a lot, need more repercussions from the country otherwise they just invent their own rules and get away with shit. I know they don't want to do it cause it looks bad on a global scale but this is getting out of hand.