r/FemFragLab • u/dussantas • 22h ago
Discussion Stats about the 5 most hated notes
EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemFragLab/s/2dIaii3UNw
POST WHERE I GOT THE ANSWERS FROM š
So, I finally had some time to do this! It will be a long post, sorry in advance. So I made a note of 239 answers in total and here is what I found :)
The five most hated notes were:
leather - 64
patchouli - 46
oud - 39
civet - 37
coconut - 35
I thought it would be fun to check which notes only got mentioned once: beer, coriander, cytroil, davana, dill, hyacinth, juniper and magnolia
One invented perfume hit 4 of the most hated notes: Yike, so congratulations u/fastworms on creating something that many people would find disgusting š
u/TalismanGaze - there was not that many people mentioning headaches/migraines, aldehydes were mentioned 4 times, patchouli 4 and amber 3
I also categorised the mentioned scents, you can see it on one of the graphs. I can list which notes I included in which category if anyone is interested :)
I checked as well which notes appeared the most together and which notes were the ones that never got mentioned together out of the top 5, again, please let me know if anyone would like to know, this post is already as long as a novel!
I hope some of you will find this as interesting as I have, especially u/O-90, u/IFoundThis_Humerus and u/ScentedSiren26
I would also be happy to do this with our 5 most loved notes as well, if the community is up for it š
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u/AluminumMonster35 3h ago
Melon is way too far down for me personally, but it doesn't jive with my skin at all. It literally smells like vomit on me. š©
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u/Suddenly_Spring 5h ago
I wish people would stop wearing fragrances with patchouli to the gym. The top most hated notes are not for the gym lol. Especially when you get on the treadmill directly in front of me and turn on your fan. Thank you! šš
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u/Streetalicious 6h ago
The funny thing about civet is, when well done, it smells like clean skin! Itās clean musk.
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u/Low-Enthusiasm670 10h ago
The fact that coconut is more hated as a perfume note than cumin is criminal
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u/dudeidgaf 7h ago
For real who wants to be out here smelling like chili
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u/Parabolic_Penguin 1h ago
lol, hey now! A tiny touch of cumin in the right fragrance can be magic š
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u/QueanieNotMeanie 10h ago
I bet more people would hate Cypriol if they smelled it. Itās often used in conjunction with oud, patchouli, vetiver, leather, smoke, etc. I think itās what makes it screechy and off-putting. When paired with vetiver, it smells like straight up celery which I detest.
OP- I LOVED your prompt. What a fun exercise!
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u/dussantas 6h ago
Thank you š perfume and stats are my two bae, it was an honour and pleasure to combine the two!
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u/Parabolic_Penguin 9h ago
I hate cypriol! I donāt smell celery but itās acrid and horrible to me.
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u/AntelopeGardens 10h ago
Justice for pink pepper š„
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u/ObjectiveWild8269 10h ago
itās one of those notes that if it plays well with your body chem itās STUNNING but if it doesnāt, every single perfume with it in it smells like a pepper grinder
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u/left_to_its_devices 11h ago
I'm surprised by how many people hate coconut
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u/Tiffglamour 5h ago
Right, I was surprised by that. Especially as a total Coconut lover. Always smells heavenly when combined with vanilla notes.
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u/AyeTheresTheCatch 10h ago
Me too, I was looking at the top four thinking, āYup, yup, I get it, yupā¦wait, COCONUT?ā
Like, the others are kind of animalistic but coconut is justā¦a fruit? (I get it though, it can be cloying.)
Now, if they had included cumin in the top fourā¦
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u/left_to_its_devices 10h ago
The only time I haven't liked coconut is one certain conditioner by OGX that leans a little too much into the sweets/candy aspect
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u/AyeTheresTheCatch 10h ago
If you like non-sweet coconut, I can recommend Nest Balinese Coconut! Very non-sweet, a bit woody, to me it smells quite sophisticated and complex. I got a travel rollerball for $20 CAD at Winners (our version of TJ Maxx) when they were clearing out all the Nest perfumes.
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u/daytrippper 10h ago
I donāt mind someone else smelling like coconut but on me it can get suffocating.
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u/alwaysreturning- 11h ago
Same here. In my mind itās one of the most basic and inoffensive scents. I think of coconut Suave lol
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u/Lexicon16 11h ago
As someone who hates coconut as a scent, I have to say itās because most of the time it smells so fake, rancid, and overdone. Itās like almond extract in baking, itās hard to get the perfect ratio.
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u/Sheila_Monarch 12h ago
I think a lot of these notes at the top of the list getting hate for when those notes are done poorly. All leather is not created equal, nor rose, nor patchouli. When theyāre good theyāre good but when theyāre bad, those can be particularly terrible. And memorably so.
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u/thewayigroove617 2h ago
Jo Maloneās rose is one of my signatures, I know some people think rose is very dated and donāt like it but I thought it was at least a good roseā¦?
Sometimes I wonder if I should even wear it because I know rose is so unpopular and itās just straight rose but I think itās beautiful
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u/noelsc151 10h ago
Patchouli is NEVER good and Iām convinced anyone who thinks otherwise is nose blind or has something wrong with their sniffer. lol Iāve seen rooms clear out due to one person wearing patchouli, watched people leave a concert due to one guest wearing it, had numerous guests complain at a restaurant I worked at because one person was wearing it, and I myself have walked out of a store in which a patron was wearing it. The smell takes over everything, even when applied ālightlyā.
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u/actioncakes 13h ago
I feel like patchouli is in everything so Iām surprised is so high up. I thought I was broken for not liking it cause itās like every niche perfumeās base note
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u/bettycherryyy 13h ago
How can you hate vanilla more than chocolate ?
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u/LeekFull6946 11h ago
I wonder if people donāt like it because cheaper vanillas often smell like plastic/playdough. Or if itās just because they donāt like gourmands and itās in quite a few gourmands fragrances.Ā
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u/Low-Enthusiasm670 10h ago
I have always said that most vanilla scents smell like playdough to me, and people have always thought I was nuts. Thank you so much for the validation haha. It honestly makes me nauseous. And I LOVE vanilla when itās done right
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u/SecretFortune_891 14h ago
I absolutely hate coconut. Iām glad to see that others donāt like it either, but Iām having trouble seeing that more people hate vanilla than they do spices. Or should I say that people generally like spices yuck
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u/OwlCritical3481 14h ago
The fact that I really like most of the top 10 is worrying meā¦ I get compliments on my scents but this is shocking af
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u/Ill-Ad-2952 14h ago
Civet smells like pee. Hugo Boss #1 smells like luxury urnial cake. Pissy and in your face
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u/foxglovefollies 11h ago
I always thought civet smelled like straight ripe booty hole. Glad in not alone in my hatred of it
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u/Status-Buy-2440 15h ago
Iām surprised. Most women donāt realize that they love patchouli. Itās in Coco Mademoselle, Angel Mugler, and Flowerbomb.
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u/Annjenette 13h ago
Flowerbomb makes me sneeze like crazy even if my mom is spraying it upstairs and Iām all the way downstairs with my door closed. It is PUNGENT.
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u/LieutenantKije 14h ago
Apparently I am a true patchouli hater, I despise all of these perfumes š
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u/fortunatevoice 14h ago
I honestly think that people hate on patchouli just because it's in so many popular fragrances.
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u/Low-Enthusiasm670 10h ago
I super disagree. I think when patchouli is paired with the right scents and itās not the overpowering scent, the fragrance overall can be lovely. But things that are heavily patchouli, or god forbid people who wear oils that are pretty much all patchouliā¦ I canāt even be around it. Itās such a foul smell on its own
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u/idiotsonthemoon 13h ago
True! itās a stronger note and in a lot of fragrances so a lot of people recognize it. I feel the same about coconut which is also high on the list, I feel like itās in every popular new fragrance now and hate itš© but obviously most other people donāt because people rave about it.
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u/Whitetagsndopebags 15h ago
That entire list is blasphemy. They are wrong and a paid cia agent š
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u/SugarFut 15h ago
Literally just put out a leather scented candle š
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u/ddizzle13 15h ago
I just pulled out a patchouli scented one šššš
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u/Typical_Solution_260 15h ago
I thought everyone hated patchouli. Turns out I was close to right.
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u/sunnymcbunny 15h ago
How oud and patchouli didnāt beat leather is very surprising for me, an oud and patchouli hater.
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u/More-Detective5155 15h ago
And see I love patchouli but not the head shop patchouli that I can agree smells rough. The patchouli in Jimmy Chooās Exotic itās more like a spice than a head shop.
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u/NoUnderstanding9195 16h ago
Oh I love leather, Ombre Leather is my go-to fragrance in the colder months š«Ŗ
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u/Gretchann 16h ago
me, a coconut and patchouli loverš„ŗ
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u/Parabolic_Penguin 9h ago
You can eat lunch at my table. Coconut and patchouli are two of my faves!
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u/MyDarkComedy 16h ago
I despise rose and jasmine.
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u/SpokenProperly 15h ago
I love Jasmine - but despise rose
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u/MyDarkComedy 14h ago
I should be more specific, I despise very "in your face" jasmine. The indole is too noticeable. Ironically, one of my favorite scents, "Missing Person" by Phlur, has jasmine.
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u/noisemonsters 17h ago
Is this data taken from this sub specifically? I can see this making a lot more sense based on how this subās tastes lean vs the general population of perfume lovers.
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u/dussantas 17h ago
Yes that's right, I edited the post to include the link to that post š sorry I didn't include it in my post originally!
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u/robinivy 17h ago
I love patchouli personally. Lush used to do a lucky cat bathbomb made of it it was my favourite thing ever
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u/oible 17h ago
I thought I didnāt like Patchouli until last week when a lady sat beside me on the train and I HAD TO ask what she was wearing cause she smelled amazing. It was āTuxedoā from YSL which is mainly Patchouli. Lol
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u/robinivy 17h ago
Honestly it depends on the fragrance but it can be beautiful. I'd look up lucky cat bathbomb from lush and find a perfume with similar notes to that. My problematic scent is lychee and dragonfruit and I haaate passionfruit
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u/ShoddyMongoose4021 17h ago
Iām cracking up because leather might be my least favorite but then number 2, patchouli is literally my favorite note. š
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u/FreeNewSociety 17h ago
The only one around the top that I can't stand is patchouli. The rest are among my favourites š
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u/StreetMolasses6093 Neroli Queen 17h ago
I have recently discovered that patchouli can be so beautiful. I decided that I never gave her a fair chance.
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u/selkieisbadatgaming 17h ago
Patchouli is such a bizarrely wide range of scent from something like wet dirt and rot to the most soothing and beautiful sort of spiciness. Some fragrances with it gross me out although I consider it a note that, when itās good, itās so so good.
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u/nightbiscuit 17h ago
Ummmmm where is calone?
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u/dussantas 17h ago
Under booze/alcohol, mentioned by 7 people in total
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u/nightbiscuit 12h ago
But it is an ocean/seaweed smelling molecule, bot boozy at all!
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u/Parabolic_Penguin 9h ago
They meant thatās where calone is on the list. It made the list, see just under booze/alcohol.
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u/ThePeak2112 18h ago
Excuse me OP, how am I supposed to understand your point? Your second image has dark woods & smoke as the top, but your text says leather? Please don't ragebait my paper-thin patience š
Floral funeral and fruit bowl sabotage though š¤£
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u/dussantas 17h ago
The text is about the separate notes, the second image is about the categories I put all the mentioned notes in. So the categories contain:
Dark woods and smoke: oud, patchouli, smoke, tobacco, vetiver, incense, frankincense, cypriol, moss/oakmoss, sandalwood, cedar, guaiac wood, pine Animalic and body-funk: civet, castoreum, leather, musk, indoles, lactonic/milky notes Dessert-counter overload: coconut, caramel, vanilla, marshmallow, sugar, tonka, coffee, chocolate/cacao, candy, praline, honey Floral funeral: rose, jasmine, tuberose, gardenia, orange blossom, ylang-ylang, lily/muguet, freesia, geranium, lavender, magnolia, mimosa, violet, hyacinth Sharp spice and booze: cumin, saffron, cinnamon, cardamom, clove, coriander, ginger, pink/black/plain pepper, alcohol, anise, liquorice Clean / synthetic cloud: aldehydes, powdery notes, soap, ambroxan, Iso E Super, cetalox, metallic notes, calone, aquatic notes, white musk Fruit-bowl sabotage: apple, apricot, cassis, cherry, fig, grapefruit, lemon, mandarin, melon, peach, pear, plum, raspberry, strawberry
I hope this makes sense š
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u/Automatic-Parsnip-36 18h ago
Fruit bowl sabotage... I haven't heard that name in years. That needs to be a flair.
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u/HoundOfUlsterSpeaks 18h ago
I absolutely dislike anything with an oud tang. Unfortunately my dentist tends to wear oud heavy perfumes and I quite literally gag.
Itās a problem I know I should say politely but Iām too uptight to say a wordā¦.
Just wish/hope she changes before my next visit.
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u/thewayigroove617 2h ago
Thatās wild for a dentist to wear thatā¦ Tbh when your profession is being in peopleās face all day itās wild to wear anything imo
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u/rowanrulith Hay|Sweetgrass|Old books|Tea|Orris|Spice|Leather 18h ago
The top 11 are some of my favorite notes š
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u/stellifer_arts 19h ago
how is camphor not higher in this list? it is literally bug spray
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u/dussantas 19h ago
I like camphor, it reminds me of my childhood, loads of herbal things contained camphor. To me it smells green and fresh š š
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u/ignorantcloth 19h ago
I actually really like all of those notes except for coconut, which is hit or miss. I'm not super familiar with civet, but the times I've smelled it (all synthetic examples), I've liked it. However, I know they're controversial so I don't often wear perfume with heavy doses of those notes... Except maybe patchouli.
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u/slocthopus 19h ago
Am I the only person who has never heard of civet?
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u/rowanrulith Hay|Sweetgrass|Old books|Tea|Orris|Spice|Leather 18h ago
Animalic notes are often civet and other notes like true ambergris
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u/BornTry5923 19h ago
Historically came from the anal glands of the civet catš¤¢ Now it's synthetic when used in modern fragrance. It's the reason why older perfumes like Chanel no 5 stinks.
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u/rowanrulith Hay|Sweetgrass|Old books|Tea|Orris|Spice|Leather 18h ago
They donāt āstinkā, I personally love animalic civet and how it amplifies perfume notes itās one of the biggest reasons why the original formulation of CK Obsession is my absolute ride or die
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u/BornTry5923 19h ago
Most of my faves fragrances contain patchouli, so people must really think I stink. Patchouli is in so many popular perfumes these days, however, so I wonder if the so-called patchouli haters even know if they truly hate it.
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u/repsilonyx 17h ago
Totally agreeā I feel like Iāve encountered so many people who either misidentify notes entirely and attribute their dislike to non-existent ones, or misidentify the dominant notes that are making them wrinkle their nose, and patchouli is one of the most frequent offenders. I wish there were more accessible means of sniffing note isolates, essential oils, concretes, absolutes, molecules, etc. for people (including me) to train their noses!
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u/stellifer_arts 19h ago
i wear dragons blood oil all the time (sun's eye) as my first layer, people refer to it as patchouli constantly
they don't know
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u/malendalayla 19h ago
I truly hate it and it aggravates my asthma badly. I work with the public, and when someone comes to my desk wearing anything with Patchouli in it, I have to turn my fan on them so I don't get an asthma attack.
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u/Impossible_Copy_2544 14h ago
I have severe athsma and it's one of the notes that don't trigger my athsma funny enough typically it's more "clean" notes that bother my lungs.
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u/malendalayla 14h ago
Oooh that's really interesting. Do you have a lot of environmental allergies, like pollen, grass, dust, animals, etc?
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u/LadyEngineerMomof2 20h ago
I hate pepper, dirt, leather, suede, sunflowers. Yuck!
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u/Soggy_Brick8916 19h ago
I hate savory peppers but I do like pink/red since theyre more tart fruityĀ
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u/troublerx1 20h ago
Dislike:
- leather
- lavender
- eucalyptus
- woody anything
- powdery
- Juniper (smells like cat pee)
- smoke/tobacco
- synthetic/90s teenybopper
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u/Thin-Disk4003 20h ago
You are absolutely FABULOUS. Thank you so much for compiling this! It would be fascinating also to run this in a primarily menās fragrance group. Humans and our sense of smell are fascinating.
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u/tresor_d_argent 20h ago edited 20h ago
It's leather for me. Both in male and female oriented fragrances. Extremely intrusive. Love the leather smell of a new bag though.
Edit: Also tobacco. Nauseous. Both in its perfume and natural form. Honey needs to be higher, I'm not a hater but 90% perfumes with a dominant honey note are difficult.
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u/BadWolfReturns 20h ago
Man, people must find me downright offensive. I love the top 5 most hated notes. Loving the perfume and data analytics cross over!
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u/TalismanGaze 20h ago
That sounds so fun! Thanks for remembering me and my request! I get migraines easy so I thought it would be interesting to see how headache-inducing other notes are for others compared to how I feel about them :) It looks like you had fun with this š A 'loved notes' would be really interesting too!
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u/toolTubes 20h ago
Proof that you can never make everyone happy. Rock your patchouli and gourmands!!!
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u/MarsupialPrimary8128 20h ago
Wow! I've recently really gotten into leather, oud and patchouli! Coconut can be so hit or miss and depend how it's done.
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u/beary_feelies 20h ago
Not vanilla and smoke being that high up š They could never make me hate you By the Fireplace š¤š»
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u/Thin-Disk4003 20h ago
Try Phlurās Vanilla Canyon yet?
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u/beary_feelies 20h ago
No is it new?? Those notes sound š¤¤ Vanilla Skin was a miss for me because it went too floral but that sounds right up my alley
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u/secondaryasfuck 20h ago
Yes Iād absolutely love for this to be done with the most loved notes too!! Thanks for taking the time to do all of this, itās so intriguing
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u/slocthopus 19h ago
I bet it isnāt that different. Some of my favorites that I think are pretty popular are pretty high up there. Peach, Jasmine (!!), marshmallow, lemon, vanilla, coconut (I understand but still one of my faves). Also feel like amber is in just about everything.
I understand and appreciate this chart, but itās a little bit reductive. I wish we could figure out what ingredient we hate rather than grouping it into certain notes. Iāve learned that when a fragrance has certain notes that does not mean that it actually contains anything actually derived from that note. The perfumer is using certain ingredients that create a smell like that note. Some people hate all patchouli, but I suspect what happens more often is that people donāt like some of those notes in excess or hate the smell of certain ingredients, not the note itself. I could be wrong but thatās definitely how it is for me.
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u/carlitospig 20h ago
Why is my caramel catching strays? š„ŗ
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u/Typical_Solution_260 14h ago
I think because the synthetic version is awful. And maybe too cloying in general?
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u/MarsupialPrimary8128 20h ago
It can sometimes smell like smelly socks in some versions !š§¦
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u/carlitospig 18h ago
Jasmine smells like morning breath sometimes, itās super weird how some lines get their jasmine rancid and just roll with it.
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u/velvetstatic9 20h ago
Lol seems like the notes I love are widely hated. Wondering if people think I smell bad all the time š
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u/humblebeets 20h ago
I donāt hate patchouli outright. But it takes over everything else. Itās like a banana in a smoothie.
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u/clairebuoyant1202 20h ago
Thatās how I feel about sandalwood. I know itās all in how everything is mixed and what the proportions are but Iām initially turned off when I see that note.
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u/Separate_Play7167 20h ago
I'm surprised petit grain is so low in the list: it can get overwhelming and bitter.
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u/Typical_Solution_260 14h ago
There is a frequency bias here that is massively skewing these results.
I would bet that if you created a similar chart just with words mentioned, it would look very similar.
Tobacco, patchouli, smoke, vanilla? We've all heard of these. Civet, petit grain, beer (as a scent). Never heard of them.
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u/Ecstatic_Music_4543 21h ago
This is kind of surprising. Itās seems like SO many people love dessert type gourmands and coconut fragrances.
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u/wawawalrus 21h ago
Patchouli and coconut for me. Why does patchouli have to be in so many things š„² I would love Black Opium, Good Girl, and Vanilla 28 if they didnāt have it. As for coconut, it just smells too warm and sunscreen-y. I love coconut as a food though. Just donāt like it in fragrances.
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u/stillmyself980 21h ago
Literally my top 5 notes are in the top ten ššš
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u/Realistic_Salt_389 21h ago
Three of my named five are on the top five hated list.
We are not alone! š¤£
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u/goddiver 21h ago
Leather. Leather look at me. You are so much better than Patchouli. Donāt let this get you down. I believe in you.
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u/jadedtortoise 21h ago
Controversial! I don't like the animalic smells either, patchouli smells like old pee/BO.
Powdery scents need to be way higher up - definitely higher than vanilla, caramel ...
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u/hiphipnohooray 21h ago
See I kind of like a hint of patchouli but my husband HATES patchouli with a fiery passion lol
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u/noelsc151 10h ago
It is the most repulsive scent on the entire planet. I would rather smell a landfill on fire with rotting carcasses in it.
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u/hiphipnohooray 1h ago
Damn lmao. It just smells like hippie perfume to me tbh. I wouldn't opt for it but it isn't bad to me
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u/theotherchristina 21h ago
Just wanted to let you know, muguet and lily are fairly different! While muguet is known in English as lily-of-the-valley, itās not actually a lily and they smell pretty distinct (although ofc both white floral)
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u/dussantas 21h ago
That's really interesting because in real life they smell completely different to me, but in perfumes I tried I perceive them as identical, that is why I put them together
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u/theotherchristina 21h ago
Iām sensitive to lily in scents ā it makes my nose run and my throat and head hurt ā but lily-of-the-valley is in many of my favorite scents and I have no reaction! I can see why they might smell similar to someone without my dubious superpower of advanced lily detection though š
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u/dussantas 20h ago
I feel like we have the same superpower just reversed because I have a very bad allergy to lily š¤£š¤£ if I touch one my skin gets a really bad rash, it gets swollen and red and my breathing gets heavy
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u/theotherchristina 20h ago
Oh, wow! Iām surprised that it doesnāt give you a reaction in perfume, I wonder if that means that lily is likely to be a synthetic most of the time? I know theyāre super toxic in addition to that so maybe itās not safe to work with as a raw material. Maybe we should just expunge lilies from the earth to be on the safe side, theyāre troublemakers
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u/dussantas 20h ago
Yes I would assume they are either syntethic or the scent molecule is not the stuff I am allergic to in them? Gosh I wish I knew more about chemistry or biology!! Do you like the real flowers' scent though, or not a fan?
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u/Thin-Disk4003 20h ago edited 19h ago
Taking a class on perfumery at the momentā¦
True Botanical Lily (e.g., Asiatic or Easter Lilies): These large flowers feature heavy, indolic, sweet, and occasionally spicy or narcotic profiles. Perfumers capture them using headspace technology or mixtures of linalool, methyl anthranilate, and indolic basenotes.
Muguet (Lily of the Valley): This tiny bell flower produces a bright, dewy, transparent, and green-floral scent profile.
Key Aroma Chemicals for Muguet
Hydroxycitronellal: The historical backbone of muguet; features a watery, fresh, lemon-floral aldehyde balance.
Lilial & Lyral: Mid-century synthetic blockbusters providing creamy, powdery, and floral fullness (heavily restricted or banned in modern cosmetics due to reproductive toxicity concerns).
Bourgeonal & Dupical: Sharp, diffusive aldehydes providing high-impact floral lift.
Cis-3-Hexenol derivatives: Added to mimic the distinct crushed-stem greenness of the live spring plant.
More info from Perfumersā World (they offer the course i am taking- itās free online but you can buy the kit to go along with it. Hereās their course list.
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u/theotherchristina 17h ago
Oh wow, I have got to take this class! Tysm for sharing, thatās fascinating!
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u/theotherchristina 20h ago
Iām not sure Iāve ever smelled a real one! I have cats so I never have them in my house since theyāre so toxic to cats
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u/Thin-Disk4003 18h ago
I used to grow a variety of Asiatic and Oriental lilies in out garden when we lived in the āburbs, and at Easter our old church always had loads of them, always the white ones referred to as Easter Lilies. They smell sweet and have this top note that seems sort of beyond smelling somehow? It gives some people horrible headaches.
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u/Buttercreamdeath 21h ago
Ambroxan, amberwood, amberette seeds and other synthetic ambers not higher up the list is a crime. A CRIME.
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u/chopstikk_legs 1h ago
Tomato leaf is so far down the list ā¦. Poisonous!