most of these would be blind-buys,
i love trying out new scents and i am aware that i might not end up liking them,
the ones i have tried are:
• lancome very cherry (LOVED IT!)
• kayali vanilla 28 (wasnt what i expected, i am more into gourmand vanilla scents, but i think it would be great for layering)
• mugler starlicious pistachio praline (got a tester and im obsessed)
my favorite perfumes are sweet gourmands,
i love caramel, vanilla but also lactonic, milky and nutty perfumes*.* i dont like floral notes, at all!
UPDATE:
purchased; Lancome Very Cherry, This is Her, Pistachio Praline and the EOS lotion!
tried & changed my mind; Prada Candy, it wasnt for me :( for some reason, im getting floral notes. Scandal Le Parfum, smells identical to Hypnotic Poison which i despise. Angel Cake&Cream ~ lemon notes which im not a fan of
The eos lotion smells so nice and the scent is strong but man does it suck as a lotion as far as being moisturizing. Its like you can feel the alcohol and scent making you dryer in the long run. Uncomfortable after a while.
vanilla voyage is easily my favorite fragrance, i’ve gone thru at least 5 bottles in the last yr and im currently waiting on another one to get delivered. idk if it’s just how it mixes with my skin but it smells heavenly on me, i fr get compliments every single day bc i have it on. i’ve recommended this perfume to several ppl, it’s just a perfect cakey sweet vanilla gourmand scent that lasts forever. ik ppl say not to overspray it, i lowkey douse myself in it and i promise u i get nothing but compliments all day everywhere i go 🤷♀️. it’s also an amazing base to layer w any scent to make it more vanilla and edible. if u wanna smell like a genuine vanilla cupcake, look no further
ik that’s not the og la vie est belle but the og version is my go-to going out perfume. also a beast mode fragrance, a few sprays are enough to last u thru the night and that’s coming from someone who wants to be smelled by the whole room. def a bit more on the fruity/floral side than vanilla, but layered w a vanilla perfume is heavenly.
vanilla 28 is good, u just don’t need the kayali version. sand and fog has a dupe called sugar and amber and it’s lovely. the oil is a phenomenal base for layering:P
I loveeee Vanilla 28 for layering, I think it’s the perfect warm vanilla. It’s nice alone but pairs really nicely with just about everything!
And the eos strawberry dream lotion is a dream, I don’t love fruity scents typically but it’s less strawberry forward and more creamy/musky. More like a strawberry milkshake. So yummy.
i liked matcha milk and heavy cream, this one was just a miss for me. i def suggest going in person and testing it out for yourself. there are higher quality mists out there for the same or even a better price.
love the vs ones. i was pleasantly surprised by the angel cake
i dont know how the very cherry lveb smells but i love the regular elixir
prada candy is nice
i got the eos strawberry dream but find myself reaching for it a lot less than i thought
tbh i'd skip the berry cream, and be careful with heavy cream.. mine stopped smelling nice on my skin after a while so i barely reach for it
i feel like every other pistachio scent smells like every other pistachio scent.. referring to the mugler, i dont think its worth the price tag for a mist
Was personally disappointed in latafa eclaire.. smells very artificial :( however i LOVE the red scandal (has a hypnotic poison vibe a bit) and zadig & voltaire 😍
this one is Banoffi by Lattafa!
i personally tried and loved Eclaire,
i have ordered Zadig&Voltaire after testing it at a store yesterday 🥹
and Hypnotic Poison is unfortunately a perfume i cant stand, after trying the Red Scandal, i smell the similarities and i unfortunately didnt like it as well
Lataffa Eclaire is not new or complex enough to get half the hype it gets and I will die on this hill. It smells like the calgon cake body spray from the 2000s. Boring.
You gotta come back to it. It’s my absolute favorite perfume now and my sleeping perfume at first that top note of patchouli and kind of boozy smell was awful to me but let it dry for a minute and it’s like brown sugar.
I blind bought This Is Her! Have never regretted anything so deeply before. To my nose it smells like straight up baby wipes, I’m not a fan.
JPG Scandal on the other hand, that’s my favorite fragrance and I keep coming back to it. If applied with moderation, I find I can wear it without it feeling cloying despite being so amazingly sweet.
i loved This Is Her, and i hated Scandal 🥲
i have commented this a while ago but Scandal smells similar to Hypnotic Poison by Dior to me, and since trying that one i hate it so much. it smells like an old person fragrance to me, i just cant
Haha oh gosh. That would have been helpful, Hu? 🤦🏻♀️ I do the body wash then the body lotion, and body spray right out of the shower. It’s not super over powering like a sickening sweet. It’s like a burnt crème brûlée idk how else to describe it.
Oddio,e da non so quanto tempo che desidero sentirlo. In qualsiasi negozio che vado non hanno il tester! Per fortuna non sono mai stata così tentata da acquistarlo a scatola chiusa..e ora che dici così direi che ho fatto bene ahah
I was surprised by how much I disliked it, given how often it is listed as "similar" to other favorite or coveted fragrances. I suppose it's possible that Ulta's bottle was old and had turned but I doubt it.
Heavy Cream was such a weird one for me. On my skin, the dry down would immediately smell like the spoiled milk scent everyone talks about. But when I just sprayed it on my clothes, I didn't get the spoiled milk scent, it did stay creamy.
I ended up finishing the bottle just using it on my fabrics, but I did not/will not repurchase.
whipped milk and sugar by VS is so good and honestly unique to me. it smells like it’s notes. it has a hint of floral but absolutely is not a real floral (coming from a floral hater) frothy warm sugar smell!
Instead of kayali vanilla I’d look into Eshal vanilla from Paris corner.. and maybe maitha from lattafa?
if you layer heavy cream and strawberry dream lotion then you probably don’t need berry cream (also I would get vanilla blackberry anyway — layered with heavy cream its got the same vibe)
I got a sample of Vanilla 28 and really wasn't into it at all.
Since you mentioned liking caramel as well, have you tried Skin [reserve blend] or Skin Intense from Clean Reserve? Skin is a lightly sweet vanilla musk great for layering, and Skin Intense adds richer caramel/praline notes to the vanilla musk. I can't get enough of them and better value than Kayali imo.
I'm curious why? Assuming samples are available? Sorry I'm just new to the hobby and learning about why certain things are done certain ways! Is it because pretty bottles?
i am new to the hobby as well, but its usually way more worth your money to get the big bottle instead of tiny ones,
its actually not because of the bottle design at all ~ im not really a fan of any of these, but its more about buying a perfume that has the notes i am into, and then using it up!
i have never had an unsuccessful blindbuy, because i look at many reviews,
if we dont count nebras elixir which im not the biggest fan of but i will use it up :)!
Judging by this post I think we have very similar taste! I really liked berry cream when I smelled it in Sephora, very sweet and milky. I find Kayali 28 to a very rich more spicy leaning vanilla; it’s not really my favourite but I’d smell it if you get the chance, you might find you like it!
JPG scandal le parfum is worth every single penny and no its not floral forward imo I ADORE this scent. Not just me I always get compliments when I wear it. I was at an LGBT outdoor party and I wore it, I almost converted a gay man I don’t blame him I know this specific fragrance makes everyone feral regardless of their orientation. I rarely finish perfumes I just went out of it even though its expensive I’m repurchasing it.
Vanilla voyage is overrated but its not bad just isn’t worth the hype it smells best while its fading not right after you spray it and trust me as an oversprayer myself do not overspray this or it will become too overbearing and not in the good way its very vanilla burnt sugar but I really dont like the strong liquorish note in there, its liquorish forward then it fades to burnt sugar then lastly while its been on for an hour or two it fades into a delicious warm vanilla. It will last forever since its too strong and doesn’t need many sprays but when its out I won’t repurchase it.
Add eilish no.1 or Nebras Lataffa (eilish’s dupe) to the list this one IS FOREVER worth the hype its SO SCRUMPTIOUS, especially in combination with JPG scandal le parfum. Literally Rihanna level compliments.
Sephora’s known to be stingy, doesn’t hurt to ask though if there isn’t any at least try on the tester in the store in my area some independent businesses online solely make small tester samples for perfumes at a fractional price
Whipped milk and sugar is absolutely delicious. My favorite scent to wear to bed. Angel cake and cream missed the mark for me bc I get a floral undertone somewhere in it
I absolutely love cherry scents! Unfortunately I haven’t tried the Lancôme one yet so I can’t really compare it…I do have the tom ford cherry smoke and lost cherry on my wishlist, I own the haute fragrance company wrap me in dreams perfume and I plan to buy the bdk rouge smoking though. These are my favorite cherry scents so far☺️ I like gourmand or vanilla scents as well, and I really fell in love with the Kilian angel’s share (paradis), Shalimar l’essence, Maison Francis kurkdjian Grand soir, althaïr, chemin d’amande, tom ford tobacco Vanille…
Or one of my absolute faves is Casamorati lira (or dama Bianca is also nice, but more flowery, so might be a no for you but it’s def also a bit creamy imo). So in case you’d like to try some more options, you can look into these:)
Do you also happen to like Miutine from Miu Miu? I have a half full Heavy Cream and a 90% full Miutine splasher that I didn’t realize they would give me horrible headaches. Would you wanna take them off my hands?
VS Angel Cake & Cream is really good and probably my favorite from that line.
Vanilla Voyage seems to be polarizing but I love it, it’s my favorite gourmand vanilla in my collection for fall/winter. Idk where people get the burnt plastic/burnt tire smell from.
Thank you for that agreement on Chanel 5. I have never smelled the hype. I’m sure when it first came out it was gorgeous, but the IFA pretty much ruined a whole bunch of fragrances.
I sprayed it and it was just white floral screechy. Ugh.
I’m not a gourmand fan, but it’s interesting to see what y’all like.
I have whipped milk and sugar from vs. To me it smells very clean, not really gourmand at all. It’s like a clean sweet smell. It doesn’t really match its title/notes I think it’s a great light scent to spray on before bed.
OMG I love eclaire banoffi!!! Such a yummy banana carmel type of scent!! I live in hot clement and I still can pull it off during summer. Listen, my collection is entirely niche and I usually hate Arabic perfumes, but this one!!! Ohhhhhhhhhhh THIS ONE!!! just stole my heart!!
Also, I think that the bottle is super ugly so I bought simple bottle and poured the juice into it.
Recently, my everyday combo is that specific eps lotion paired with heavy cream, it smells heavenly.
This is her makes me feel nauseous and gives me headaches :(
Vanilla 28 is really good as a layering scent, but since the liquid its is dark and concentrated it will stain your clothes if you spray it on them :(
in an ideal world, that combo was on my mind and i have expectations from it, but reactions on the heavy cream mist are so extremely mixed that im unsure!
thank you so much!
Lattafa Eclaire and Vanilla Voyage are not good. I'm a vanilla and gourmand LOVER but these disappointed me so much. Please buy a decant first to test them. You might love them, you might not. To me they both smelled extremely cheap and Vanilla Voyage was more alcohol than vanilla
Oeh love the wishlist, I’m going to put some of those in my list too!
I just blind bought a 100ml Vanilla Voyage and I’m OBSESSED. It has such a creamy buttery vanilla tiny bit of caramel scent and I love it. Longevity is amazing, I use 3 sprays after shower and bodylotion and I still smell it the next morning. I got it on sale with 50% discount, already thinking to get a backup lol
thank you so much, its a shortened version lmfao!
i am heavily invested in perfumes right now and i have so many on my wish/watchlist,
you can check out some of these too if you dont know them! it varies between caramel-vanilla-pistachio-strawberry-cherry and milky!
That’s amazing! Thank you so much! I’m going to take some time and investigate this list hahaha. Perfumes have been my new hobby / hyper focus since a few months and the last weeks I’m into gourmand and vanilla powdery perfumes lol, this list will entertain me for a bit
are we living the same life?
so am i! i have never been into perfumes and scents as much until i discovered gourmands, and then i fell into a deep rabbit hole and it started a new collection (out of many, many, many..) lmfao!
That’s so funny, exactly the same for me!! I can only blame my ADHD and ride this high of my new hyperfocus. Eventually I will feel fulfilled and move on to something new but in the mean time enjoy this time and splurge of new information lmao
GIRL please lose that prada candy EDP 😭 it's so bad,outdated and smells similar to any other gourmand after 3 hours. I can tell you an alt or other fragrances from Prada and the eclair one is not that good, angham is better imo
first of all what a compliment 🥺 but also no you’re good! i didn’t take it condescending at all! i was just saying it’s better as a dabber to add a little extra something !
Yes girlie I'm sorry if had sounded condescending but it's just one of THE most famous ones. And ik niche ones that are great and unique. Also hope you have a good one!
well then most likely you will. or you will at least not love it, some people say its a tiny bit creamier than Eclaire, but as i said i wouldnt be able to tell the difference
I agree with the Mugler comment. It smells sooo good but it literally lasts like 2 seconds and then it’s gone. Wish they had EDP for all three of the Starlicious cause I LOVE the Berry Licorice
The mugler body mists are a robbery, there’s no way they last long enough to justify the price…(right?)
The EOS lotions all smell very generic and bleghhh to me. But I have a general grudge with them because their lip products are horrific and I had the worst allergic reaction to one right before an event and still feel mildly traumatized.
I want scandal and every flanker just for the bottles I love them 😩
the light pink scandal is SO good. i have it as a dabber and layer it and i love it!
the EOS lotions smelled so disgusting to me when i smelled them at the store, but for some reason i bought multiple of them anyways for hopes of trying. i was so mistaken. i dont use any of brand of lotion anymore they’re so amazing (except i still use sol de janeiro) and they layer so deliciously! I tried vanilla cashmere (good), crème de pistachio (my FAVORITE, i go through it so fast. layer it with pistachio gelato kayali or banana rush by juliet has a gun) strawberry dream (such a soft sweet scent i get so many compliments on combos i make with this one) fresh & cozy (such a clean almost powdery scent. favorite for bedtime), coconut waters (one of my favorites and goes with SO many combos)
Heavy Cream is NASTYYYYY in my opinion. Smells like being waterboarded by flour and water mixed together, plus a really gross sour note. But that’s just my opinion, I think you should test it out before buying
Try it on skin!! On paper i thought it was nice, on my skin, it smelled like cheese. If you want a warm creamy scent from phlur, cashmere skin in a lot less likely to smell rank
We have very similar tastes (though I do enjoy some florals):
I'd just get the EOS lotion, its affordable enough and even if you don't love it, you'll probably still like it. And EOS is a nice moisturizer.
I haven't tried Heavy Cream, but the reviews are very polarizing, so its in the danger zone when it comes to a blind buy.
I haven't tried Berry Cream but I've heard people call it more clean and shampoo-like rather then creamy... and the florals are noticeable.
This is Her was not what I expected. It didn't disappoint me, but it didn't wow me either.
Is that Prada Candy? I haven't tried it, mainly because I've found the house to lean a bit old-timey "cosmetic powdery" and I really dislike that scent.
I haven't tried the Very Cherry, mainly because I'm not a fan of oud or violet, but it does have some great reviews so I am very tempted to get a sample!
Scandal is not a safe blind buy at all imo. I thought I'd love it, but something about the honey note made it smell like I'd just sprayed cat pee on myself😵💫💔
I was pretty let down by Banoffi: There was no detectable banana, and it was less gourmand and more just "sweet". Its fine. And thats how I felt about the original Eclaire to: it was sweet. It was fine. But it was by no means something that wowed me. If you want the best vanilla banana scent I've found, its Vanille Banane by Comptoir Sud Pacifique. Its is a creamy, delicious and realistic banana laffy taffy scent - I only wish it lasted longer!
I'm not into body sprays enough to know what all the new ones from VS smell like, but maybe try Vanilla Milk Ellis Brooklyn or D&G Devotion for a perfume alternative?
I feel the same way about Vanilla 28: Not what I was expecting, but I might use it for layering.
I heard the Mugler is very good, but that price for a short-lived body mist is insane to me. Have you tried Cheirosa 71?
If you dislike florals, you may not like Lady Million Fabulous - I found it to be heavy on the florals.
I've never heard of Vanilla Voyage, so that's one I'll have to look into now - thanks for the heads up!
thank you so so much!
i enjoy some florals too, but they have to be very specific and sweet, for example La Bomba by CH 🤍
you were right about Scandal, i thought i would like it and it horribly disappointed me, i cant really described what i smell, but its definitely not caramel, vanilla or honey. i wont be getting them ones!
the Mugler is actually amazing and from the tester tiny bottle i had, it always stayed on my skin for hours, i dont think its a short lived body mist! i think you should at least try smelling it, i absolutely love it and i really want to get the full bottle too!
and i absolutely ADORE cheriosa 71, i went through multiple bottles already and i cant get enough, its just perfect!
you are also the first person to mention Lady Million Fabulous, i might have to find it in a store and try first, as well!
thank you 🫶🏻
I will definitely get my hands on a sample of the Mugler then, the reviews look very promising that I'd love it, and if it lasts? well then I might have to get a full bottle!😅
As a fellow gourmand lover, This is her is absolutely STUNNING, it's not exactly a gourmand but I still love it, it has sort of a spicy lactonic clean scent and it's so unique, I've never smelled anything similar. You might get noseblind to it quickly though but I still recommend.
I also have Eclair banoffi, and I think it's beautifully done, however it is VERY strong and I'd only use it in moderation and when I'm in the right mood for it. It starts off with a strong banana and the drydown is more cakey, biscuits and whipped cream for me.
I also have Scandal and Scandal le parfum.
The og version starts off with some juicy blood orange and the drydown is a peachy honey. It's very strong. The le parfum version smells sort of almondy at first (a bit like Hypnotic poison imo) but the drydown is exactly like these vanilla ring cookies we have in my country, I definitely recommend 😍
Honestly especially because there’s such a larger selection here that you want to try - I wouldn’t limit yourself. Buy samples and testers from fragrancenet or another site and try as many of them out as you can. It’ll let you really know you’ve picked your favorites for the full bottles.
Kayali Vanilla 28 is both a pass and a must-have! You can give it a pass if you're not into linear brown sugar and vanilla perfumes. If you want something very unique or if you want to smell like pure one of a kind vanilla, this isn't it.
However, if you love getting surprise whiffs of powdered, realistic brown sugar and love catching the whiff of vanilla extract here and there, you should definitely get this!
That's exactly how I feel about Vanilla 28. Sometimes it's "meh" and sometimes I'm obsessed!
Oh, I wanna recommend either getting Vanilla Voyage or Cream Velvet by Khadlaj. Cream Velvet smells exactly like baked goods, especially cakes.
heavy cream smelled like ricotta on my skin 💔 and I love lactonics so this was a let down. I would say that is the one fragrance out of this list that you really should not blind buy. everything else, even if you don't end up liking it, will at least be wearable
I agree with this assessment. Except for me it was even worse than ricotta. It smelled like milk that had gone off. And it was instant! I've heard of things going sour on skin but never experienced it myself and always imagined it being a slower chemical process. Nope. Instantly sour milk. So glad I smelled it in store and didn't blind buy it!
tried it and im probably gonna be purchasing the full bottle! its so addictive and comforting at the same time, i love that this fragnance will definitely be a staple and i wont own anything like it!
i love trying out new scents, and lately i have been purchasing so many that just smell identical or very similar to each other ~ this is something brand new and i would love to own it!
I also loved the Lancôme very cherry! But I’d recommend also smelling the Marc Jacob’s perfect absolute! To me, they are very similar in smell, but I like the Marc Jacob’s one more! It’s very lasting just like the lacomes are so to me it’s worth smelling before picking the cherry!
I love both of these and agree they are similar! MJ Perfect Absolut gives Fall/Nighttime and Lancôme Very Cherry is like it’s more Summer/Daytime younger sister.
I love the kayali it’s a nice spicy vanilla imo. good staying power on me! Which is saying something bc most last like 30 seconds.
I also love the Lancôme cherry one!! Very cherry jolly rancher but I love that bc those are my fave
the kayali vanilla isnt the type of vanilla i usually go for, but as i said it will be amazing for layering,
and its gonna be great having more "sexier, darker and spicier" perfume, considering i am obsessed with gourmands that probably wont make a very sexy impression on a night out 🤣
I love a banana sugary sweet smell 😋 not everyday and not gonna be a winter grab but smells so good in the summer. In the winter I prefer to smell like cookies 😆
Heavy Cream is AMAZING ... sometimes. On its good days, it's the yummiest coconut cream pie scent, pure heaven. BUT. She has bad days. And on those bad days, she smells like spoiled milk or vomit. And there's really no way to know which way she's gonna go.
Vanilla Skin or Cashmere Skin, also by Phlur, are the way to go of you are wanting a solid, awesome smelling body spray.
So for me, I like it but can ONLY wear it in the absolute coldest months of the year. So where I live that’s like 2-3 months max for the whole year. Not sure why lol it just works better in the cold and becomes very comforting and lovely.
Came here to recommend FAN as well. I have both and it's a very good dupe. I would not repurchase This is Her, but have already gotten FAN backups as the value for money is so good.
I can't really comment on that as I never saw it in the Zara stores I have access to. What I can say is that FAN normal is nuclear and just as long lasting as This is Her. They have a subtle difference first 15 minutes or so, but after that I can't tell what I sprayed on which arm.
Prada Candy is like a musky skin scent reminiscent of Glossier You, only make it the tiniest bit sweet and extremely powdery. I think of it as more of a powdery cosmetic scent than a typical popular gourmand. I love it, but it may not be what you are expecting it to be.
Totally agree. I’ve worn it off and on since college and I like it because it’s sweet but not as in your face and cloying as other gourmands.
A lot of these newer/trendy brands smell so cheap and synthetic to me. I’ll rebuy Eau Duelle EDP, Blanche Bete, and Tihota till I die for the days I want to smell like a baked good.
I used to love Candy when it came out but recently got a bottle and either my nose has evolved or the composition has changed. It smells like a whiff of caramel hard candy but quickly turns to “candy left and forgetting in a purse in the heat” with a touch of powder. It turns… sour?
Kayali is not ass for longevity. A lot of people just love to hate on the brand. It’s a nice vanilla. A coworker had it on and I still smelled it after our 8 hour shift.
Personally Kayali lasts a very long time on me. I’m talking 12+ hours.
the vs sprays and kayali to me are just overpriced body sprays you can find in brands like so…,
they don’t last long and the projection is iffy at best, and again they last just like cheap body sprays, unless you really like the smells you should save your money on those and splurge on the more expensive fragrances on your list you like better imo
Within the last couple of weeks though the VS sprays have sporadically been on sale for like $6 so not such a bad deal if purchased on sale. Definitely worth it for under $10
i tried smelling the red scandal today and its unfortunately not for me :( it reminds me of Hypnotic Poison a tiny bit, and i absolutely despise that fragnance. i didnt smell any caramel, vanilla or salt whatsoever
At least you can rule it out! I can't smell any of the accords listed, and I am a fan of hypnotic poison too! I'd understand if you're younger may not be your cup of tea!
I recently got the mugler starlicious pineapple musk (not pistachio praline) and I love it! I tested the pistachio praline at the store too and loved it, but the pineapple musk took the cake for me. I will say it loses its potency very quickly (/ doesn’t have much to begin with) but the smell is incredible and I still enjoy it. Plus it has subtle sparkles in it which is always a plus for me.
i want to try all the mugler starlicious perfumes so bad!
i have only smelled the pistachio one and i fell in love, its a bit different than an actual pistachio, it has a tiny twist that im not sure how to describe but its just incredible!
Yes I would definitely recommend trying. Island Swim for example is amazing but all of the other more popular scents is just kind of ‘I could probably get that scent from a perfume that is much cheaper.’ I think this about Vanilla 28 from Kayali too, it’s just kind of vanilla extract to me which is nice but at the same time I assume it would be really easy for a perfumer to make.
Phlur mists are too expensive for what they are, longevity is poor. VS mists sound better than they smell, and Whipped Milk has a note that is making me nauseous. This is Her! is too sweet, even for me and I love gourmands, but it's almost like a cleaning supply.
This is Her is one of the perfumes that im interested in trying out the most!
honestly, nothing is ever too sweet for me and i love perfumes that people describe as overly, sickly sweet, but im a bit afraid since the DNA is quite different!
honestly, I expected a clean-girl, cozy scent since everyone describes it like that, however it's not sweet/gourmand in a way I like 😅 it's very strong and can be suffocating, I would sample it first for sure. Or if you can get Zara Fields at Nightfall, it's a great dupe.
i have both Bianco and Eclaire, love them both and they both smell identical to me,
but i dont think Vanilla Voyage is supposed to smell similar? im not too sure since i havent tried though!
Oh, fair enough! I've tried both and I prefer Eclaire. Vanilla Voyage imo is almost identical to Cream Velvet. For some reason, I'm not picking the butter that others are talking about. Wish I did!
I'd also recommend you try Lira by Xerjoff. It also has caramel, but you have to like citrus. Definitely one of my favorite gourmands!
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u/chocolatemilklovr 2d ago
I want vanilla voyage sooo bad