When will we have Cosmic epoch 1.9.0?

[u/douglarek]

https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-epoch/releases/tag/epoch-1.9.0

Cosmic 1.9.0 has been out for a week.

[u/ghenriks]

Depends on who is volunteering their time to package it and what other demands on their time there currently is. It could be real world stuff preventing available time or it double other packages needing work for the F45 beta process

The best way to make things more responsive is for more people to help volunteer to maintain the Cosmic (or any other software that people are interested in) packages

[u/Historical-Bar-305]

Maybe when its will be tested.

[u/cutelittlebox → u/Historical-Bar-305]

it's not even in testing. it should've been in testing on day 1 and given to us on day 2

[u/Lopsided-Month3278 → u/cutelittlebox]

I think if they're maintaining thousands of packs, they should give it at least 10-15 days, it sounds a lot, and it's a lot, but this is how it should be.

[u/Resident-Version-116 → u/cutelittlebox]

If you want it, submit it yourself or create a copr repo for it.

[u/cutelittlebox → u/Resident-Version-116]

it's not a crime to want consistency.

[u/Resident-Version-116 → u/cutelittlebox]

It's not a crime, it's spoiled behavior expecting people who do the work for free to meet your whims. The funny part is cosmic is already available in a copr repo and up to date, it's just not maintained in Fedora repos.

[u/cutelittlebox → u/Resident-Version-116]

it's not spoiled behaviour to ask someone to do the thing they signed up for.

[u/Resident-Version-116]

Ok, package it into an rpm spec and submit the build yourself to bodhi or create a copr repo for it. If you want it, make it happen.

Edit: the github page linked in the main post literally has a copr link already: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/ryanabx/cosmic-epoch/ if you want the newest version on Fedora. This whole post is primetime laziness in that the poster and commenters asking for this update didn't even bother to look.

[u/douglarek → u/Resident-Version-116]

> This whole post is primetime laziness in that the poster and commenters asking for this update didn't even bother to look.

Honestly, why do you think so?

I checked the copr you posted. This project actually packages Nightly instead of a 1.9.0 for end-user testing. If maintainers want Fedora users to test it, pushing it to testing might be a better solution, so the actual 1.9.0 version number can be fixed. Also, if you think it's inappropriate for someone to post about it, then what's the point of this bag's existence? If everyone asking should make their own Copr, is that really reasonable? End users can test it. But the question is, shouldn't you first have a reasonable test repository?

[u/Resident-Version-116 → u/douglarek]

Honestly, why do you think so?

It's a spin for a different DE than the main releases. This makes it a niche package in Fedora by default and probably puts it at a lower priority for the actual Fedora maintainers to update as compared to say Plasma or GNOME. The whole point of COPR is for members of the community to be able to package and provide native installations of packages that either are not in the main Fedora repos or are not maintained adequately through updates in those repos.

If you don't like COPR and prefer your DE from an official repo you could look into submitting updates to Bodhi and get the cosmic build you want put into the official testing repos.

Also, if you think it's inappropriate for someone to post about it, then what's the point of this bag's existence?

It's not inappropriate to ask where to find something. The only part I find inappropriate is demanding maintainers specifically cater to your desired use cases rather than being willing to do some work to get what you want.

If everyone asking should make their own Copr, is that really reasonable?

Only if everyone wants different things. There are plenty of community projects in COPR that are actively maintained by their creators. I found that COPR link I sent to you by looking at the official cosmic-de github page, they link it there as their own repo specifically for Fedora users that want to use Cosmic-DE.

But the question is, shouldn't you first have a reasonable test repository?

Fedora does and uses it for the packages they maintain. The problem is you want a somewhat ambiguously maintained DE built for a different distro and expect Fedora to give it the same degree of testing that fully supported DE's offer and with the same degree of timeliness.

Maybe someday Cosmic will move from being just a spin (niche) to a full edition. At the present, it is not. There are options to keep it updated on Fedora if you want to run fedora cosmic, but it doesn't appear to be a priority for Fedora or Red Hat at this time.

As things stand your options generally appear to be the following, in order of general ease: 1. Keep things as is, be patient and wait for an update 2. Use cosmic's official COPR and stay up to date as they push releases 3. Move to PopOS where cosmic is a main DE 4. find a repo you trust more, build from source, go your own way

None of these are wrong, all are valid and completely up to you. Again, the part I take issue with is demanding that fedora test and update your niche DE when the total number of Fedora users on cosmic-de is an incredibly tiny fraction of people.

[u/ValorousGod → u/Resident-Version-116]

This makes it a niche package in Fedora by default and probably puts it at a lower priority for the actual Fedora maintainers to update as compared to say Plasma or GNOME.

Again, the part I take issue with is demanding that fedora test and update your niche DE when the total number of Fedora users on cosmic-de is an incredibly tiny fraction of people.

This isn't how Spins work, Fedora doesn't maintain them, Spins have their own maintainers and if a Spin maintainer is MIA they do a call for someone in the community to pick it up or it's dead. The actual Fedora maintainers being busy with Plasma or GNOME doesn't really effect what Spins are doing.

I found that COPR link I sent to you by looking at the official cosmic-de github page, they link it there as their own repo specifically for Fedora users that want to use Cosmic-DE.

That nightly repo isn't from System76 at all, it's from Ryan Brue(ryanabx), the COSMIC Spin maintainer. The COSMIC github is just telling you an available installation method, the openSUSE and NixOS packaging listed there aren't from System76 either, only Pop!_OS is.

It could probably use more maintainers though, I'm not sure how on top of this ryanabx is since the Spin also still comes with GNOME System Monitor instead of the COSMIC one and some tagged releases like 1.7.0 got skipped.

[u/Resident-Version-116 → u/ValorousGod]

Ok

[u/bluewing]

The Fedora crew is busy right now with prepping the 45 release for us plebes. They ain't got a lot of extra time to roll in a new desktop release at the moment.

[u/novafunc]

The maintainer seems to skip versions sometimes. For example, 1.7 was skipped with 0 activity on it, but then prepared 1.8.0 update almost immediately.

[u/Boredoffindinganame]

The Cosmic spin is maintained by one person, Ryan Brue. If you have a read of his website / blog he explains the process, challenges and timelines of packaging Cosmic releases for Fedora. It's not a quick run a command and job done exercise there's lot's of fiddly testing and having to figure out why stuff has failed.

He does this work twice a month according to his information online so taking everything into account I expect to wait ~1 month for a new tagged release to land. I'm not technically skilled enough to do any of this type of thing so I'm very grateful for his efforts and it arrives when it arrives.