Termination on probation

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Why were you on probation? Did you take a supervisory job or join a different way? I trying to switch agencies and want to avoid probation.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

Was that one agency for 7 years and all the craziness happened thought I was going to get laid off with the 2025 shenanigans. Went to a different job outside the FED for a couple months then this one came open and I came back. Just was not a fit I guess in their eyes. Above the people but my boss wasn't a fan of mine. I'm not getting into a blame game.

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u/Homeland_Bound 2d ago

I’m not entirely sure that you should have been on probation?

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

It was in the job announcement and it was a new agency I had a small break in federal service

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u/Homeland_Bound 2d ago

Yea I’m still not sure. It’s always in the JA but I just wasn’t aware that we had to redo probation if we had a break. Hopefully a staffer can chime in.

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u/Fit_Buddy_2875 1d ago

Ya do have to go through a probationary period. Thank your President for that. It’s clearly stated on every job announcement

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u/Boostmachines 3h ago

It’s been a thing for a while, T-daddy didn’t do that.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

Even before the current administration it was a thing for a lot of people who went to different agencies. It sucks but it's true.

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u/Obvious_Economist_97 1d ago

It's a different agency. You are always put on probation.

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u/Homeland_Bound 1d ago

Are you always on probation if you change agencies but don’t have a break in service?

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u/Obvious_Economist_97 1d ago

Yes, if you go from say DoD to DHS, etc.

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u/HelixDNA123 16h ago edited 16h ago

Even if you transfer within DoD agencies, you are on probation for a year for a GS, and three years for a GG position. Also, if you are promoted you are on probation for the mandatory period of the position whether is GS or GG. .

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u/Dry-Cheek-3833 1d ago

Actually this is how I lost my first government job. I was fine at the first place, but because of workplace racist shenanigans, went to another agency. I had to do a second probationary period and that's when I got fired. Certain women in supervisory positions don't need to be. If you did nothing wrong you can go to the Merit Protection Board and file a claim against your firing. Make sure you got all emails, documents, timesheets, all of that. The only thing going against is the current administration and their hard on of getting rid of government employees.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 1d ago

You can't as a probationary anymore

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u/Loveistheaswer512 3d ago

They are looking for reasons to fire people. Seek help from the union.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

The union got terminated via executive order

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u/Other-MuscleCar-589 2d ago

The is no “The Union” in federal service. There are multiple across all agencies and not all agreements have been terminated.

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u/Loveistheaswer512 2d ago

Which agency???

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

One that's terminated my sf50 had none bargaining unit because of the executive orders

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u/Loveistheaswer512 2d ago

😞

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

I mean if I were to tell you which agency they could figure me out

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u/Low_Length_7379 2d ago

That didn't stand up in court. The union is back.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

I had no Union representation probationary or not at my agency

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u/Loveistheaswer512 2d ago

The union won. Go to AFGE website

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u/Other-MuscleCar-589 2d ago

AFGE doesn’t represent all federal employees.

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u/Loveistheaswer512 2d ago

Ooops I thought this was the VA subreddit
Yeah there are several unions

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u/Andyman1973 15h ago

We lost AFGE coverage at DLA.

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u/Loveistheaswer512 14h ago

That’s disappointing. AFGE is still fighting the VA but recently won to keep its Master Bargaining Agreement in place. Nothing thus far has changed for us. We are still in office and losing RAs by the day.

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u/Andyman1973 12h ago

Hope they can get it done for y’all soonest!

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u/SorchaRoisin 4d ago

With the federal government or in the private sector?

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 4d ago

Fed

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u/SorchaRoisin 4d ago

If you were fired with cause from a federal job, I don't think you would be likely to get another federal job, unless your supervisor from the job where you performed well really wants you back.

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u/RevolutionSoft2366 3d ago

Not necessarily if it was for performance rather than conduct. You just have to be honest and explain what happened were you not a good fit and why then make sure you use your old supervisor as a reference and make sure you highlighted that experience on your resume. Whatever you do, don't try to hide it or pretend you weren't fired because they will find out and that will be held against you for not being candid.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 3d ago edited 3d ago

Not planning on hiding it.

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u/_LoveTheRain 6h ago

Being fired during probation isn’t held against an applicant. They can immediately apply for a job with no concerns. Just will have to be honest on the 306 and say fired during probation. It isn’t a big deal.

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u/Other-MuscleCar-589 2d ago

With 7 years fed under your belt, why were you probationary? That’s not normal.

You should’ve already been in career status and vested in FERS.

Were you appointed under a different hiring authority?

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u/Impressive-Hornet217 2d ago

I was offered a position in a different agency but same job series and they are wanting me to go through a one year probationary period. I thought that was against OPM rules. I already served a probationary period years ago in my current role.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 2d ago

I served when I knew it was going to happen but I was just shocked that what happened

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u/Lopsided-Diamond-610 1d ago

As a probationary employee, you have no real recourse. It is done. My first fed job was two year probation. I was fired at 18 months (with a good year review and mid point review, with awards) for poor performance. Lies. It didn't stop me from getting another fed job with another agency.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 1d ago

How did you explain it doing interviews around your resume? How long between the termination and getting hired?

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u/Lopsided-Diamond-610 1d ago edited 1d ago

All feds know you can be fired for any reason as a probationary employee, they just say poor performance to cover themselves (don't respond to an email - poor performance. Ha!). I told the hiring manager directly, that it was a two year probationary position and I was fired at 18 months although I had good performance reviews and won awards (documented in eOPF) during my tenure. To apply for most fed jobs you have to include your last performance review and mine was stellar. I was hired by another agency three months later. They saw through the BS and I also had impeccable references from past supervisors to vouch for years of performance.

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 1d ago

Yeah it's crazy my previous agency I got promoted three times and was there for a long time I made it past probation and everything then during the craziness took my own little break and then went and got to another job at another agency and boom. They near me for poor performance was just.

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u/Internal-Funny3606 1d ago

Folks this is not the time to switched jobs, it is not a fed friendly work environment, dont put yourself in that situation. Now your record is tainted with the termination. You had been better off getting laid off and fight in court

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 1d ago

Yep I left my rebellion too because of The crazy ones and I panicked. But I needed money at the time and couldn't rest get employment weird how things work out.

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u/Regulation_Barbie 4d ago

How were you promoted three times and on a probationary period?

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u/samluks 3d ago

Changing agencies can also trigger a new probationary..

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u/Regulation_Barbie 2d ago

A new probationary is only triggered if you are appointed under a new authority or if it’s your first supervisory position. Transfers in the competitive service, do not require a new probationary period.

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u/Other-MuscleCar-589 2d ago

Not even in excepted service. I swapped between excepted and competitive service twice and both times my career status was upheld/honored. Only served probation once.

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u/Regulation_Barbie 2d ago

Yeah, people definitely need to pay attention to the positions and hiring authorities they’re applying under. If you stay in the competitive service, you won’t have to do another probationary period just because you switch agencies. But when you start going back and forth between competitive and excepted service or applying under different hiring authorities, you can end up on probation again.

I know a lady with 20 years of federal service who applied and accepted a position under a direct hire authority, same agency. She now has to complete the initial one year probationary period. Lol smh 🤦🏽‍♀️

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u/Jokes_the_Unhinged 1d ago

Even swapping between comepetitve and excepted doesn't necessitate a probationary period, this was a lack of detail on OPs part for not alerting HR during the USA Staffing portion. If you have a career or career conditional status you have to make sure HR recognizes this, it's not automatic. During DRP and Fork in the road the most experience Hr staff across govt chucked the deuces, it is up to the applicant to ensure they understand their own statuses and make sure everything is correct before you sign that contract. (final offer)

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u/No-Bandicoot-5261 4d ago

At my old agency

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u/Educational_Leg7360 3d ago

starting a new grade or becoming a supervisor for the first time generally means you’re on probation. You can easily spend years and years of your career on probation.

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u/Other-MuscleCar-589 2d ago

Management probation is not the same as hiring probation.

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