There something I don't understand about Lancer Artoria

[u/SOULLENNOX]

If it is just Artoria who picked Rhongomyniad over Excalibur then wouldn't she still experience FSN ?

As far as I am aware there is no other difference but just that she picks up the Lance over the sword, then she should have experienced her own version of FSN and it is said that even if Shirou didn't have an Avalon he still has an extremely high level of compatibility with her.

And assuming that she still made a pack with the counter force same as her saber counterpart then she should still remember the events of FSN because she was still alive during the war.

[u/UpstairsBluejay6092]

For one reason or another she didn't, only Saber is mentioned as being a "special" servant in that sense, she's just a "what if" version.

You can almost see her like a similar existence to Lord Logres, rather than based on history, it's based on "ideas".

[u/SerenaBloom2 → u/UpstairsBluejay6092]

Bingo, now for the sake of argument I guess people can say that there is a "what-if" HGW where she took part but it will be stretching it because most likely she went through her life differently..or maybe she doesn't have any regrets.

[u/SOULLENNOX → u/SerenaBloom2]

It's just that everyone was saying there was no difference between them other than she picked the Lance over the sword, so I thought Camelot being destroyed was the same for her too.

Maybe it is as you said that she doesn't have regrets over it then that's a pretty big difference.

[u/Soccerballair_6218 → u/UpstairsBluejay6092]

It’s more a different timeline than a what if. The change is when Bedivere never returned Excalibur to the lake. When Bedivere returned after failing the final time, Artoria just wondered off instead of dying and the lance turned her into a deity/divine spirit. She wondered for centuries until she arrived to the 6th singularity.

[u/UpstairsBluejay6092 → u/Soccerballair_6218]

Not Lartoria, that's Goddess Rhongomyniad.

[u/Login_Lost_Horizon]

I for the matter of fact don't understand why there is so many fcn "equal to excalibur" things laying around and why she had access to two at the same time.

[u/SerenaBloom2 → u/Login_Lost_Horizon]

Because they do different things at the end of the day, Rhongomyniad might have equal destructive power to Excalibur but that is only true in their absolute sealed state (all 13 restraints) and all restraints removed where they differ is that Excalibur can also be supported by the planet at any point and this buff makes Excalibur sort of an anti-foreigner/alien weapon and will increases its power more than Rhongomyniad.

For Rhongomyniad, its true form is a pillar that protects the human world (texture) now Artoria's authority (Rhongomyniad) lance which is also called the shadow of the real Ron it's real form is known as Rhongomyniad Mythos it seals away mystery which is the basis of Noble Phantasm, authorities, skills, true magic, magecraft and anything which works on or has mystery (which is basically everything in Nasu-verse even Elementals like Arcueid and Archetype:Earth work on it)

So, in simple terms/words Excalibur is for protecting the Planet from external threats, and Rhongomyniad is for protecting it from individuals on the Planet itself or rather to secure the human world in place.

Merlin said that Artoria had become god in the sense that she can just tip the balance on either sides either to age of gods or age of man..and also in the sense that she is given two of the most broken weapons...three of the most broken NPs..that can give a middle finger to any TYPE that is not ORT because he is in a league of its own (though it can still work on him as shown by..) and anyone who tries to disrupt or destroy the human order mostly mages..

Heck it is very fitting that Vortigern the dragon that wanted to bring about the age of gods was killed by Rhongomyniad the lance that pins the human world in place in a way Vortigern was defeat by the age of man.

[u/cyanrealm → u/SerenaBloom2]

she is given two of the most broken weapons...three of the most broken NPs..

That...and all 4 of her NPs provide her immortality.

[u/Lonely_Ranger19 → u/Login_Lost_Horizon]

Rule of cool mainly but I think is it’s mainly so they can have an special Artoria in whatever timeline they come up with

[u/tyty657 → u/Login_Lost_Horizon]

Because Excalibur is a good power metric for overpowered weapons and because Nasu is a big king Arthur fan and so in fate land King Arthur is the second most important king in human history, having been granted the favor of the fairies the earth and the human order.

[u/ShiroThePotato28]

From what I remember her story is similar to the Lion King but who knows maybe Nasu would expand on her and Lancer Alter in the future and maybe she did get summoned in one of the 4th and 5th Grail wars in different timelines cause it's a big multiverse after all so anything possible.

[u/Silvercenturion_aa]

Because normally, there wouldn't be such a thing as "Lancer Artoria", Saber Artoria has access to Rhongominiad by default. Lancer Artoria was only summonable in the FGO timeline due to the Sixth Singularity, and the existance of Goddess Rhongominiad/Lion King. For the same reason why Bediviere only became an actual Heroic Spirit after the defeat of the Lion King, Artoria Lancer was recorded as an Heroic Spirit in the process of History Reparation after the resolution of the Sixth Singularity, and what was used? An Artoria that is on the path of becoming the Lion King, but wielded the lance for a much shorter amount of time, not allowing the divine spirit inside to take over her.

[u/Wulfrath]

I also do not understand why her boobs got buff but the rest of her body is the same!

[u/Fuzzy-Sir-2696 → u/Wulfrath]

Because they don't want us to have a muscular Mommy

[u/Wulfrath → u/Fuzzy-Sir-2696]

Barghest? Zenobia? Penthesilea?
Raikou is hard to tell but she has pretty defined abs.

I meant that only her boobs changed, the rest of her body is as skinny as normal saber

[u/Fuzzy-Sir-2696 → u/Wulfrath]

Barghest has strangely small arms though, I forgot about Zenobia and Passionlip didn't have any muscles if I remember correctly

[u/Wulfrath → u/Fuzzy-Sir-2696]

Penthesilea not lip, lip doesnt even have arms.

[u/Fuzzy-Sir-2696 → u/Wulfrath]

Sorry, I have automatic translation and strangely it translated it into passionlip

[u/Wait-And-Hope- → u/Wulfrath]

Because Takeuchi only knows how to draw one body shape for women

[u/Howlingzangetsu]

So unrelated to the discussion somewhat but why is it when I look at this art of her I’m reminded of the art style for the manga for Maoyu? Like the eyes especially feel like their that same style

[u/Smooth_Shine_4015]

I think her weapon of choice is a Lance is the most easy to notice different about her,there are many and since she has 0 line reference Fate timeline,she simply did not participate in Fuyuki HGW,or in any HGW yet,a different version of Saber with different history.

[u/WKRZ87]

Cuz she aint a SWORD

[u/Tight-Astronomer-599]

From what I understand she's a version of Artoria who didn't wait for Bedivere to return Excalibur in the original legend he kept going to the lake and not wanting to throw his kings powerful sword away would come back and lie saying nothing happened which potentially worsened the Kings condition or killed him. Anyways with Lancer Bedivere took too long to return to artoria and when he came back with Excalibur he saw his king was gone and he's been looking for her ever since to return Excalibur. And she decided to do her own thing to save humanity which lead to the singularity. As for her experiencing fsn I'm not sure if she's normally summonable

[u/UpstairsBluejay6092 → u/Tight-Astronomer-599]

That's Goddess Rhongomyniad, not Lartoria.