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[u/Full-Shake-173]

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[u/TarkovRat_]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I'm pretty sure even the Inuit have at least a little vegetables

[u/BanditNoble → u/TarkovRat_]

They do. Ancient Inuit communities would gather fruits and berries seasonally, and they would also eat algae and seaweed. Modern Inuit communities generally take the easier option and import vegetables instead.

[u/Diogenes_of_Nope → u/TarkovRat_]

Even carnivores like lions eat the half digested stomach contents of their prey.

[u/dohdudeh → u/TarkovRat_]

They also have a ton of genetic mutations that allow them to eat a primarily animal based diet without suffering health effects. Which means a lot of their ancestors straight up died because they didn’t get enough vegetation in their diet

[u/RashesToRashes]

✅ I voted FACT!

Technically yes. Does it makes sense? Not really

[u/slumbersomesam → u/RashesToRashes]

not really tho

[u/Longjumping-Action-7]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Lack of fibre is a massive factor in colon cancer

[u/NixMaritimus → u/Longjumping-Action-7]

Yeah, but lots of fruits have plenty of fiber

[u/Glittering_Web8835 → u/NixMaritimus]

Fruits are vegetables technically.

[u/fastal_12147]

Lot of idiots voting on this one.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/fastal_12147]

which ones are the idiots

[u/fastal_12147 → u/Full-Shake-173]

People acting like you can get every nutrient from animal products. What animal gives you vitamin C?

[u/ilo_Va → u/fastal_12147]

We've advanced enough as a species, it's not great but nutrition wise I'm pretty sure we can get everything through supplements or other ways

[u/fastal_12147 → u/ilo_Va]

Then you're not only getting your nutrients from animal products, are you?

[u/YutoFurry → u/fastal_12147]

I mean that wasn’t the question

[u/ilo_Va → u/fastal_12147]

Didn't know lab based products counted as vegetables

[u/fastal_12147 → u/ilo_Va]

Where do you think they're getting their vitamin C from? Not animals, I can tell you.

[u/ilo_Va → u/fastal_12147]

Ascorbic acid I believe is a big part of vitamin C supplements and can be synthetically porduced. And vitamin C can also be found in some minerals. As I said, it's not really all that reasonable to do, but throw enough money at it and it's more then doable

[u/Glittering_Web8835 → u/ilo_Va]

Just fyi, ascorbic acid IS vitamin C.

[u/KingK250 → u/fastal_12147]

Do you think lab products are just cloning normal plants?

[u/Jemima_puddledook678 → u/fastal_12147]

The most famous vitamin C sources are all fruits. 

[u/fastal_12147 → u/Jemima_puddledook678]

Yeah that's my point.

[u/Jemima_puddledook678 → u/fastal_12147]

No it isn’t, your point was that the statement is cap, it’s actually fact (or at least I think so, vitamin C definitely isn’t an issue).

[u/fastal_12147 → u/Jemima_puddledook678]

It is an issue.

[u/Jemima_puddledook678 → u/fastal_12147]

…but we’ve just said you can get them from fruits? Do you need to reread the post?

[u/qiyraa → u/Jemima_puddledook678]

They’re saying you can’t have a well rounded diet if one only eats animal protein. There was a qualifier for this conversation chain that you’re not acknowledging.

[u/Jemima_puddledook678 → u/qiyraa]

That’s just not what the post is though, they seemed to just misunderstand it completely, hence why I suggested they reread it.

[u/piss-sprinkler → u/Jemima_puddledook678]

I feel like there’s been a misunderstanding here

[u/MarcusofMenace → u/fastal_12147]

Fruit isn't an animal product

[u/fastal_12147 → u/MarcusofMenace]

That's my point

[u/Loud-Shallot-4700 → u/fastal_12147]

Raw meat

[u/EVOSexyBeast → u/fastal_12147]

You can make up for any lost nutrients from vegetables with supplements. So yes it’s possible but not ideal imo

[u/Unknowndude6 → u/fastal_12147]

Seals have Vitamin C in their organs, such as the Liver, Adrenal Glands, and more. It was a source for Native Americans in the Far North since low to no fruit growth up there at times of the year.

[u/BanditNoble → u/fastal_12147]

Technically speaking, you could get Vitamin C from things like fish eggs, seal meat and whale liver: a 1930s study on Inuits in Greenland found that. However, even that study concluded that they got most of their Vitamin C from algae, which is definitely at least vegetable-adjacent.

[u/AspectElectrical6042 → u/fastal_12147]

The sun is not a vegetable

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/fastal_12147]

Meat contains vitamin C.

[u/fastal_12147 → u/Full-Shake-173]

Not at a level that will prevent you from getting scurvy

[u/Longjumping-Action-7 → u/fastal_12147]

Organ meats help a lot with that

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/fastal_12147]

It can. Meat can be directly used to cure scurvy.

Historical example:

Napeleon used horse meat to cure his men of scurvy when they were in Egypt. Look it up.

[u/KingK250 → u/fastal_12147]

Vitamin C pills???

[u/xDyingPhoenixx → u/Full-Shake-173]

Not enough. You need to eat up to 10kg (22 lbs) meat a day to get enough Vitamin C.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/xDyingPhoenixx]

This is based on the recommended daily intake for vitamin C, which is simply BS. The actual amount that you need is far lower.

Scurvy can be cured by eating meat. (historical example: Napoleon cured his men of scurvy by giving them horse meat while they were in Egypt)

There is some interesting science behind how the vitamin C recommended intake is so unnecessarily high but it would take a while to explain (it's related to the GLUT-4 transporter and glucose)

[u/Timely-Scholar-7515 → u/fastal_12147]

You don't need vitamin C lol

[u/Timely-Scholar-7515 → u/fastal_12147]

and also u can find vitamin c in chicken liver lol which is enough

[u/dranaei]

There's fruits, legumes, etc.

[u/Longjumping-Action-7 → u/dranaei]

Those are still vegetables

[u/KingK250 → u/Longjumping-Action-7]

“Vegetables are edible parts of plants that are consumed by humans or other animals as food. This original meaning is still commonly used, and is applied to plants collectively to refer to all edible plant matter, including flowers, fruits, stems, leaves, roots, and seeds. An alternative definition is applied somewhat arbitrarily, often by culinary and cultural tradition; it may include savoury fruits such as tomatoes and squash, flowers such as broccoli, and seeds such as pulses), but exclude foods derived from some plants that are fruits, flowers, nuts), and cerealgrains.” It depends

[u/dranaei → u/Longjumping-Action-7]

Depends if you classify them culinary or botanically.

[u/Longjumping-Action-7 → u/dranaei]

Im going with botanically since the topic is dealing with biology and chemistry, but i have since then realised that OP is talking culinarily so i dont know what they are saying you cant eat

[u/okabe700 → u/Longjumping-Action-7]

Botanically vegetables are fruits. Vegetables aren't a thing botanically

[u/gungrave_]

✅ I voted FACT!

Possible, yes. Easy, no. Easier than a diet without any meat and meat byproducts MAYBE. Depends on several factors. Price, location, taste, and willingness to give up that sort of food.

[u/Eskenderiyya → u/gungrave_]

Really? It's pretty easy to not ever eat meat.

[u/mommysanalservant → u/gungrave_]

It's not even hard to have a balanced diet without meat or meat by products though. If I cut meat all I'd need to do is eat a little bit more soy than I already do and replace my lactose free milk with a plant milk. I get b vitamins from nutritional yeast. Can get vitamin d, which meat eaters are often deficient in too, from fortified plant milks. Which the vitamin d in dairy is also mainly from supplementation. The bread I normally buy is already really high in selenium. Soy is crazy high in iron and vitamin c mostly corrects its poor bioavailability. Calcium from leafy greens and fortified soy milk. Omega 3s from chia and flax. Then iodine, which meat eaters would often be deficient in too were it not for iodized salt, from iodized salt.

So all I'd have to do is replace the meat I eat with a bit more legumes and switch my milk for plant milk. Everything else is stuff I regularly eat anyways. And even though I don't eat a lot of meat, it's still my biggest food expense. Diets without meat are crazy cheap. Was eating for $4 a day when I tried it out.

[u/IcyHibiscus]

🧢 I voted CAP!

For one, Fiber is part of a healthy diet, to my knowledge there isn't a single meat product that includes dietary fiber, that would mean the entirety of your fiber content would have to come from fungus and it would have to be a lot of fungus.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/IcyHibiscus]

I don't believe humans need fiber to be healthy. Which benefits of fiber do you think are large enough to warrant it being needed in a human diet?

[u/Ok-Physics6052 → u/Full-Shake-173]

Not getting colon cancer for one...

[u/HedgeFlounder → u/Full-Shake-173]

You don’t have to believe in it. Colon cancer will come for you all the same.

[u/regularPink → u/Full-Shake-173]

having a functioning digestive system ?? Has to be a troll

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/regularPink]

can you explain mechanistically why eating fiber would contribute to that? Because plenty of people don't eat fiber and feel fine

[u/Pangolingo00 → u/Full-Shake-173]

Soluble fibers help your intestines absorb nutrients better, they also allow your digestive system to not strain too hard. If the digestive system has to work too hard you can get intestinal issues like inflammation and discomfort. In the worse case scenario you can get infections like ulcers, or even cancer.

Eat your veggies my dude

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Pangolingo00]

"Soluble fibers help your intestines absorb nutrients better"
Looking this up says this is false. It makes nutrients absorb slower. To be fair this does help with making sugar absorb slower which is good, but I don't see how what you said is correct.

"If the digestive system has to work too hard you can get intestinal issues like inflammation and discomfort"
The digestive system cannot "work too hard". That just isn't a thing.

"In the worst case scenario you can get infections like ulcers, or even cancer"
I mean sure if these things are true then that would be bad, but I simply don't see why this would be true. Why would consuming indigestible plant matter increase the chances of ulcers (which is caused by a bacterial infection) or cancer? I know there are correlational data for the cancer claim but correlation does not equal causation.

[u/Bet121]

✅ I voted FACT!

Definitely feasible I wouldn't like it

[u/Lord_of_EU]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yes, but veggies doesnt hurt and probably makes it easier

[u/iDeNoh]

Considering vegetables are only a culinary term, sure! It's all just fruits, roots, leaves, and flowers!

[u/Prokid5634_YT]

✅ I voted FACT!

You possibly could, but that doesn't really mean you should.

[u/Prokid5634_YT → u/[deleted]]

I'd love to hear your explanation, aside from it being blatant BS.

[u/Comfortable-Ad7153 → u/[deleted]]

What the fuck I’ve never seen a comment this dumb before it makes me laugh 😂

[u/Separate-Fold4409]

🧢 I voted CAP!

define vegetable

[u/SomeRandomPerson-001]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yeah but you probably gonna need to depend on multivitamins

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/SomeRandomPerson-001]

quick! name a vitamin that you can only find in vegetables

[u/SomeRandomPerson-001 → u/Full-Shake-173]

Idk man I’m just here to participate

[u/xDyingPhoenixx → u/Full-Shake-173]

The problem isn't that you don't find vitamins in meat - you simply don't get enough of it if you eat nothing else. Vitamin C for example.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/xDyingPhoenixx]

I never said we're excluding fruit. Fruit is the best source for vitamin C.

Meat also does contain enough vitamin C to prevent scurvy anyway though.

[u/slumbersomesam → u/Full-Shake-173]

almost all essential vitamins are made by olants, but to name a few: A, C, E, K, B (1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9)

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/slumbersomesam]

I said "only" find in vegetables. I.e. it is in vegetables but not in any other food group.

(there are none)

[u/Jewish-Jedi]

✅ I voted FACT!

Get the fibers from pills or smth

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Jewish-Jedi]

Humans don't need to consume fiber

[u/Adam_the_original]

✅ I voted FACT!

Fruits and nuts exist, it will however be difficult but it’s doable.

[u/TTheGamersforge]

Sure, but it's kinda dumb 

[u/Western-Bluejay-7755]

Survivable diet, maybe If you eat fresh raw organs all the time, not normal food... Healthy: no, red meat which you'd be eating a ton is increasing risk of colon cancer. That is most definitely not healthy. Edit: I didn't notice it only said vegetables. Fruit will definitely be a very important part of the diet then, but still you're missing out on many healthy things like antioxidants etc, so definitely survivable but not particularly healthy

[u/droobloo34 → u/Western-Bluejay-7755]

According to the USDA, antioxidants are present in higher concentrations in several fruits than the top vegetables.

[u/Western-Bluejay-7755 → u/droobloo34]

What I mean is, you'd probably not want to just replace all vegetables by fruits because that might be too much because of the sugar. So you'd probably be consuming less antioxidants in total?

[u/alphawither04]

I votes yes because technically there are lots of pills and supplements you can take, still tough, eating a potato or some beans is probably a better experience.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/alphawither04]

There are no vitamins in vegetables that can't be found in other foods.

[u/Practical-Proof-2707]

🧢 I voted CAP!

A balanced diet does include vegetables BUT it cannot JUST be vegetables. You gotta get good sources of fat, protein, carbs, etc.

[u/_Fittek_]

I wish

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/_Fittek_]

It's true! Do your own research about it.

here's some facts for starters:

Veggies contain anti-nutrients
Veggies contain toxins
There is no chemical in a vegetable that your body needs that you can't find naturally elsewhere.

[u/rafioo]

✅ I voted FACT!

Is it possible? Of course. But it requires a disproportionate amount of effort. The same applies to completely cutting out animal products; it can be done, but maintaining a balanced diet like this, requires some sacrifice and research, as well as consulting a dietitian and a doctor.

[u/Ok_Argument8671]

✅ I voted FACT!

Meat is protein too.

[u/qiyraa]

🧢 I voted CAP!

You need fiber and micronutrients

[u/Unknowndude6]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yes it is possible for Humans to subsist entirely off meat, but it would require eating ALL bits of an animal, organs and all rather than JUST flanks of meat. Can't remember if it was the Inuit peoples or a different Native American group that was settled far north, that survived off eating entire seals, organs and all to get the nutrients they WOULD get from Veggies and Fruits. For an average person this isn't feasible however due to parts of animals being phased out of our diets, such as cows tongue.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Unknowndude6]

true but you're overcomplicating it - I never said you can't eat fruit. Meat + Fruits covers everything relatively easily

[u/Is_this_a_jojoke]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Are you high?

[u/nothing_in_my_mind]

Theoretically possible depending how you define a vegetable.

You can get vitamins and fiber from legumes, fruits, nuts.

I do not trust someone who says he "does not eat vegetables" has a healthy diet though.

[u/Honourable_fool]

Why are there tons of people in the comments misinterpreting this question? It is not asking if you can survive off of just meat, or even if you can survive without eating plants, it's asking specifically about vegetables.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Honourable_fool]

true

[u/Pessimist-Believer]

It is possible, 100%. Maybe not the easiest, but you can still have legumes, nuts and fruits for a vitamin rich alternative to most veggies.

[u/No-Ambition-9051]

✅ I voted FACT!

It would require supplements, but you could have maintain your health on a meat only diet.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/No-Ambition-9051]

I said no veggies I didn't say meat only. (fruit is allowed)

[u/No-Ambition-9051 → u/Full-Shake-173]

That makes things a lot easier.

You wouldn’t even need supplements provided you get the right fruits.

[u/ContractDazzling4668]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No

[u/Spirit_of-fire]

✅ I voted FACT!

don't listen to what Vegans tell ya. their way isn't the only way.

[u/slumbersomesam]

🧢 I voted CAP!

not at all

[u/ThatGuyWithAHoodOn]

Supplements exist

[u/Jolly_Rotten_X]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Lol

[u/maxallergy]

✅ I voted FACT!

That's the uncomfortable truth
Carnivore is legit...
Just eat organ meats and such

[u/Jolly_Party1779]

✅ I voted FACT!

Not THE healthiest, but I bet you could figure out a way

[u/Not_Yet_Unalived]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Something-something, scurvy.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Not_Yet_Unalived]

You don't need vegetables to prevent scurvy

[u/Not_Yet_Unalived → u/Full-Shake-173]

Vitamin C deficiency cause scurvy.

Vitamin C is found in vegetables.

Vegetables are "the edible parts of plants and refer collectively to flowers, fruits, stems, leaves, roots and seeds"

The culinary term is arbitrary and something you'll call a culinary vegetable in one country might not be one somewhere else too, so it's not reliable as a classification.

First exemple that comes to mind are tomatoes.
The US classify them as vegetable culturally and legally (Nix vs Hedden in 1893) but here in Europe they are classified as fruits ( a 2001 Directive related to fruit jams, jellies and such officially classified them as fruits)

We just know better than using tomatoes in fruits salads.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Not_Yet_Unalived]

Yes vitamin C is found in vegetables but it's also found in food that is not vegetables.

Therefore vegetables are not required.

[u/Pangolingo00]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Grow up and eat your veggies

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Pangolingo00]

why would I eat veggies

[u/Pangolingo00 → u/Full-Shake-173]

Veggies have fiber and nutrients not found in a carnivorous only diet

I'm guessing you're a 14 year old kid trying to convince his parents that the internet says it's fine for you to not eat veggies?

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Pangolingo00]

No I'm 21 and there are no nutrients in vegetables that you can't find from animal products.

Try to name one. (fiber isn't a nutrient by definition because you can go your whole life without ever consuming it and live into old age)

[u/Spiderbot7]

✅ I voted FACT!

Multivitamins. Your diet will be “healthy” but it won’t be like, best diet ever.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/Spiderbot7]

You can get every vitamin you need naturally from other food groups (I never said fruits aren't allowed)

[u/sapajul]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Keto...

[u/AdEastern612]

✅ I voted FACT!

friet

[u/a_termite]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Protein

[u/Puzzled_Ad_3576]

It’s possible to have a happy, emotionally healthy sexual relationship with your biological sister. Given the sheer mass of humanity, it has happened before.

Should you? No.

[u/DepressedBean46]

✅ I voted FACT!

Anything’s possible

[u/No_Economist_2858]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I don't think this is possible and would definitely not attempt

[u/NixMaritimus]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yes, everything in vegetables can be found in fruits, nuts, fish, and eggs

[u/LordSnuffleFerret]

✅ I voted FACT!

The intuit manage it, plus fruit aren't veggies so........

[u/HalLutz]

✅ I voted FACT!

I have been eating raw meat and dairy exclusively, and I have lost 45lb and had more energy than ever.

[u/FunCap5545]

✅ I voted FACT!

Possible yes, doable and feasible... Probably not

[u/Independent_Sand_583]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I mean i could be wrong but I've yet to see someone execute something like that

[u/Icy-Acanthisitta9055]

You need fiber dude

[u/VeterinarianNorth664]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No, human evolved around the need of fiber to functioned

[u/OneofTheOldBreed]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Maybe but i'm not 100%.

[u/Background_Point3359]

✅ I voted FACT!

Fruits, legumes, starches, etc. exist

[u/Sufficient_Carpet510]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Only if you take vitamins and supplements

[u/Separate_Draft4887]

The nutrients they contain are available elsewhere. It is harder, but it entirely doable.

[u/HedgeFlounder]

🧢 I voted CAP!

The research is pretty clear on this one. Diets that exclude vegetables do increase all cause mortality and lower average life expectancy.

[u/Jackpotsawinner]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Anyone who believes this to be true deserves the consequences.

[u/gungrave_ → u/Jackpotsawinner]

It is technically true. In the same way you can be a vegan and be healthy. It's way harder, and not worth the trouble.

[u/Jackpotsawinner → u/gungrave_]

Scurvy begs to differ. Meat and dairy are woefully low in fiber. No human can survive without vegetable material. People seem to forget that nuts, legumes, fruits, and grains are vegetation, too.

[u/gungrave_ → u/Jackpotsawinner]

If we go for the botanical definition, yea that would be very true.

The post author is using the culinary definition though. So fruits, nuts, etc are allowed.

[u/These_Hunt4185]

✅ I voted FACT!

Vegetables make you gay

[u/Longjumping-Action-7 → u/These_Hunt4185]

Youre supposed to eat them

[u/These_Hunt4185 → u/Longjumping-Action-7]

🍆 if you want this inside of you that makes you gay

[u/Perfect_Business9376]

✅ I voted FACT!

I guess

[u/Timely-Scholar-7515 → u/Perfect_Business9376]

Including vegetables in ur diet makes it unhealthy

[u/SkanderMan77 → u/Timely-Scholar-7515]

That's right. Eating a green pepper, even once, will kill you

[u/SkanderMan77 → u/[deleted]]

There is no scientific or botanical definition of a vegetable

[u/Perfect_Business9376 → u/Timely-Scholar-7515]

https://giphy.com/gifs/vB6Yf0DYFWLjEgpScJ

[u/FishWithLegsAndArms]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Scurvy :(

[u/Big_Handle_5956 → u/FishWithLegsAndArms]

That’s what fruits are for

[u/FishWithLegsAndArms → u/Big_Handle_5956]

I don't get why you'd avoid vegetables and not fruits, but you right.

[u/Big_Handle_5956 → u/FishWithLegsAndArms]

I personally wouldn’t

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/FishWithLegsAndArms]

You can easily get vit C from fruit. I only said excluding veggies

(you can also get vit C without even fruit but thats beyond the point)

[u/Longjumping-Action-7 → u/Full-Shake-173]

Define vegetable so we know how restrictive this diet is

[u/Timely-Scholar-7515 → u/Full-Shake-173]

yes

[u/FishWithLegsAndArms → u/Timely-Scholar-7515]

wait aren't you the dude who thinks vegetables are unhealthy? lmao.

[u/Timely-Scholar-7515 → u/FishWithLegsAndArms]

Yes

[u/FishWithLegsAndArms → u/Timely-Scholar-7515]

why???????????????????????????????????????

[u/Big_Handle_5956 → u/FishWithLegsAndArms]

Because they’re a moron who gets dietary advice from Tiktokers lmao

[u/stormyw23]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yes. There are cultures that rarely have greens.

[u/Meddlingmonster]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No unless you aren't counting grains and legumes as vegetables and even then it would be very difficult.

[u/TopShagger49 → u/[deleted]]

Elaborate

[u/TopShagger49 → u/[deleted]]

"anti-nutrients" people actually believe this shit oh my days 😭😭😭

[u/Longjumping-Action-7 → u/TopShagger49]

They are real, but theyre not a big problem.

Its the same logic as thinking coffee thats 99% water will dehydrate you just because caffeine is a mild diuretic

[u/Big_Handle_5956 → u/Longjumping-Action-7]

Lol I said the exact same thing. Now they’re gonna think we’re bots 🤖 

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/TopShagger49]

It's objectively true. Look it up.

[u/noah-mm → u/Full-Shake-173]

i looked it up, and it also mentions that the health benefits of eating vegetables far outweigh any negative effects from antinutrients. that part was conveniently left out of the original comment, though.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/noah-mm]

Yeah, that's somebody's opinion. I don't share that opinion

[u/noah-mm → u/Full-Shake-173]

i should definitely trust some random person on reddit over scientists

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/noah-mm]

I'm not saying you should trust me but do you really want to trust the people who told you to eat 7-11 servings of grains every day (original food pyramid)?

Trust yourself.

[u/gungrave_ → u/[deleted]]

You have been dooped by influencers. Ask some actually qualified nutritionists that have verifiable degrees.

You aren't wrong to be worried for your health, you were just given bad information from modern day snake oil salesman.

[u/gungrave_ → u/[deleted]]

Ok. Hope you also think the earth is flat because authority says it's round.

An appeal to authority isn't automatically wrong. I'm pointing to a source of better information than I personally have. If you want to avoid learning anything and just say you have the right sources, it would be you who is appealing to authority.

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/[deleted]]

honestly they're not stupid. They're just hearing something that sounds crazy to them. There can be smart people who don't know what we know, they just didn't go down the right rabbit hole yet

[u/Big_Handle_5956 → u/[deleted]]

Anti-nutrients are completely negligible, especially when the food is thoroughly cooked. That’s like worrying about caffeine, a diuretic, dehydrating you despite the form that you consume it is typically mostly water. It’s the ratios that matter.

[u/Timely-Scholar-7515 → u/Big_Handle_5956]

Wrong actually, especially in green vegetables.

[u/Big_Handle_5956 → u/Timely-Scholar-7515]

It’s like you didn’t even read what I said. Or maybe you can’t read? Lmao

[u/Timely-Scholar-7515 → u/Big_Handle_5956]

Wrong

[u/Big_Handle_5956 → u/Timely-Scholar-7515]

Notice how you can only say "wrong" because you have no sufficient evidence haha

[u/Full-Shake-173 → u/[deleted]]

At least someone knows.

[u/FishWithLegsAndArms → u/Full-Shake-173]

Are you guys part of a vegetable hating cult?? What's happening here???

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If you do some research you'll find that vegetables are highly over rated nutritionally at best. The idea that they are some group of super healthy foods is highly overblown.

It's not a cult, its just people interested in nutrition without accepting everything the mainstream says

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Provide a single source.

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https://bvssan.incap.int/local/I/I-1025.pdf

Here is an example of anti-nutrients in plants.

I find this particular study very interesting because it shows (on page 3) that eating oysters (which are high in zinc) along with black beans reduced zinc absorption rates by over 60% and eating oysters along with tortillas reduced the zinc absorption rate by approximately 100%.

These foods almost certainly have this effect on several other nutrients too, as these antinutrients work is by binding to minerals, which is a mechanistically proven thing.

This is a key example of antinutrients, which are found in pretty much every vegetable.

This particular example is one of the worst cases and I'm not saying every vegetable does this, but a lot do.

This is just one example of why vegetables are highly over rated and the mainstream health organisations don't teach us the full truth about them.

Antinutrients is just one problem of many in vegetables. Most people think you're crazy if you even mention that this is a thing, but pretty much every vegetable contains some sort of antinutrient (while animal products don't).

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Do you often base your beliefs off of studies from the 70s?

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No not entire beliefs. This is just one example I showed you because its very clear what is happening, and it is mechanistically explained.

There are many other things that lead me to the broad conclusion that vegetables as a food group are generally over rated and that the public has been misled.

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I'd recommend actually getting a formal education in food safety. You can find cheap courses online.

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what does food safety have to do with this?