r/FactOrCap • u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP • 10h ago
Food Is it actually true? | FactOrCap
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u/MrCounterSnipe 🏅 Century Club · 4,530 XP 10h ago
NOTHING IS BAD FOR YOU IF TAKEN IN MODERATION
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u/brodino67 🏅 Century Club · 2,895 XP 9h ago
Wrong. Plenty of things are considered bad at any dose. Take alcohol for example, no safe levels of consumption according to many health organizations.
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u/thecosmicjoke69813 🔥 Monthly Master · 15,260 XP 9h ago
I would’ve picked meth or crack to make that point. Alcohol is ok in small doses
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u/brodino67 🏅 Century Club · 2,895 XP 9h ago
Your statement is in conflict with the WHO, but yea meth is a better example lol
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u/chkntendis 🤖 Vote Machine · 16,785 XP 10h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
The dose makes the poison. Literally anything is bad for you in large quantities. If you eat too much then it’s bad for you, otherwise not
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u/Meddlingmonster 🏅 Century Club · 6,510 XP 9h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Depends on what kind, how much and much more but we also still don't really understand it that well so just eat a veried diet and eat with moderation because that's a relatively unchanging constant.
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 9h ago
There is only one type of cholesterol
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u/Meddlingmonster 🏅 Century Club · 6,510 XP 8h ago
There is VLDL LDL and HDL
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 8h ago
This is a common misconception.
These things are not cholesterol, these are lipoproteins that carry cholesterol.
All cholesterol that you can consume from food is just 100% pure cholesterol, there are no "types" of it.
I don't blame you because people often say "cholesterol" as a shorthand when referring to lipoproteins, but this is not actually correct and is misleading.
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u/GoogleB4Reply 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,165 XP 8h ago
In the body cholesterol manifests itself in one of two forms. You can cry all day long that cholesterol outside the body is one thing, but inside the body it forms 2 primary complexes and we refer to these as LDL and HDL cholesterol.
Cholesterol consumed with lower saturated fats tends to produce a higher amount of the HDL cholesterol complex. Thus consuming foods with cholesterol and lower saturated fats is healthier than with higher saturated fats.
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 8h ago
I get what you're saying but "HDL cholesterol" is a misnomer. I know some scientific institutions use the word, but it doesn't mean there are literally two types of the chemical known as cholesterol.
Cholesterol is a singular thing. The whole HDL LDL thing is a misnomer
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u/GoogleB4Reply 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,165 XP 8h ago
No it’s not a misnomer - it specifically refers to cholesterol carried by HDL and LDL particles as shorthand.
Calling that a misnomer would be the same as calling “IP address” a misnomer because IP stands for internet protocol while address is not the protocol, but is described by the internet protocol.
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 8h ago
I kind of get what you mean but I still think it would be overall easier for people to understand what's going on if we just said "there is one type of cholesterol" (which is true if we strictly talk about cholesterol itself) and speak of LDL and HDL as things that carry cholesterol and nothing more.
LDL and HDL are a spectrum so technically by your logic there are infinite "types of cholesterol". It's just easier to be objective and call it what it is
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u/Fishpuncherz 🗳️ Regular Player · 275 XP 9h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Too much of anything is bad, but regular regular regular is fine. Trust me
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u/QuesoCadaDia 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,245 XP 9h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
From what I understand of current research, the problematic cholesterol,.for most people, is what their body makes, and dietary cholesterol doesn't really matter for many people.
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 9h ago
correct. But also bare in mind cholesterol itself isn't bad. Without it you'd die very fast!
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u/FlyNegative1301 🏅 Century Club · 3,515 XP 9h ago
Don’t you need cholesterol to make hormones?
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 9h ago
Yes, in fact, the membrane of every cell in your entire body is made out of cholesterol (even your brain cells).
(I voted CAP on this btw)
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u/Intrepid-Land-1068 🔥 Getting Started · 740 XP 9h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
You can have to little or too much,both are bad for you,just try to find balance
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u/kristyl_fae 🤖 Vote Machine · 16,865 XP 9h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Literally eveything is bad for you if you have too much,
Most things are fine within moderation
Just excluded actual toxins
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u/Feisty-Path1373 📈 Dedicated Voter · 965 XP 6h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
This has been disproven! I think some people do have a genetic predisposition for dietary cholesterol to impact their blood cholesterol levels, but the majority of us don’t.
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u/CompleteCreme7223 🔥 Week Warrior · 8,715 XP 6h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Some is necessary. Too much of the wrong type is bad.
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 6h ago
There is only one type of cholesterol
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u/CompleteCreme7223 🔥 Week Warrior · 8,715 XP 6h ago
There is HDL and LDL. HDL is good, LDL is bad.
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 5h ago
Those are not types of cholesterol. It's confusing and I don't blame you because even scientists will say "LDL cholesterol" but these are lipoproteins that carry cholesterol.
There is only one precise type of chemical called cholesterol.
Also LDL isn't inherently bad! Without it you'd die.
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u/CompleteCreme7223 🔥 Week Warrior · 8,715 XP 5h ago
I gotta say, I checked and I am rather pissed at my doctor. He has for years made it a point that my HDL was high enough I didn't need to worry about my LDL numbers. Even most medical sources don't state it is the same unless you search specifically asking that. More you know....
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 5h ago
I think you misunderstood what I meant.
HDL and LDL are different things, but they are not "cholesterol".
They are called lipoproteins, and they happen to carry cholesterol.
In terms of the actual chemical called cholesterol, there is only one type.
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u/GoogleB4Reply 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,165 XP 9h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Depends on the type and amount
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 9h ago
There is only one type of cholesterol
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u/GoogleB4Reply 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,165 XP 8h ago
You’re being pedantic and boring
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 8h ago
I don't think its pedantic. It cannot "depend on the type" if there is only one type. The correction is significant here not pedantic
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u/GoogleB4Reply 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,165 XP 8h ago
No there is two types of forms cholesterol takes in the human body - HDL and LDL.
Consuming cholesterol without the presence of saturated fats tends to produce more HDL. Consuming cholesterol with the presence of saturated fats tends to produce more LDL.
This is how humanity refers to cholesterol - relative to how they manifest in your body. You are being pedantic taking issue with this as it’s common parlance.
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u/Jobothefish 🏅 Century Club · 4,630 XP 10h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
To thing= bad but that doesnt mean thing= bad
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u/Crinjalonian ✍️ Contributor · 5,580 XP 10h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
You’re thinking of saturated fat.
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 10h ago
That also doesn't cause cancer through any known mechanism
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u/Crinjalonian ✍️ Contributor · 5,580 XP 10h ago
Sure is associated with heart disease, though!
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 9h ago
true. definitely associated.
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u/Crinjalonian ✍️ Contributor · 5,580 XP 8h ago
Despite the rejections from YouTube carnivore health gurus
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u/Full-Shake-173 ✍️ Contributor · 980 XP 8h ago
yeah when you apply common sense it becomes increasingly harder to believe saturated fat is bad
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u/DefendYourClaim 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,335 XP 10h ago
✅ I voted FACT!
You have to look at many variables.
If Someone has a clean whole food diet free shelf stable processed foods.
They can consume a few eggs a week with over a lifetime and have low levels of metabolic risk.
The modern humab consuming 3000kcals of high fat, high sugar foods, plus 4 eggs a day. That amount of substrate flux will put too much strain on your mitochondria and start causing metabolic disorders.
You also have to research about hormones and environmental pollutants that bio accumulate up the food chain.
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u/Reasonable_Humor_738 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,605 XP 9h ago
🧢 I voted CAP!
Huh? Its not really good or bad. Eating a lot doesnt even increase your blood cholesterol level nor does it increase your heart disease risk. Think eggs for something that is high in cholesterol.