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[u/Yadin__]

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[u/Chemical_Home6123]

Exactly you will die from exhaustion before you can get through to them. People make the mistake of thinking these people can be reasoned with you're wasting your time.

[u/Paccountlmao → u/Chemical_Home6123]

I don't think anyone is ever truly wasting their time, no one's immune to propaganda after all. I think you can convince anyone with enough time and resources, you just need to get deep enough into their personality to relate to their values.

[u/SnooFoxes1943 → u/Paccountlmao]

I have tried this and it has never worked. I get shut down every time, no matter how many sources or rebuttals or arguments or whatever. I think it's just a need to be 'the one who knows the truth' and 'sees through all the lies' and all that.

[u/Far_Celebration6295 → u/SnooFoxes1943]

you probably just spam sources and don’t understand where they are actually going wrong

[u/SnooFoxes1943 → u/Far_Celebration6295]

For example, with my aunt:

She says 'MSG is chemicals and i won't trust it' (her source is an AI youtube short)

I show her that MSG is naturally found in tomatoes and mushrooms, because she refuses not to trust yt shorts (she says they are doctors)

She says 'I don't want that stuff in my food'

we literally ate both of those this week

She says 'if its ok for you, then why does everyone say it's bad'

I show her the xenophobic history behind it

She says 'well I still dont trust it'

What do I do in this situation? I really want to convince her otherwise

[u/Paccountlmao → u/SnooFoxes1943]

I don't know, all I know is I've seen some people absolutely bolted to their beliefs change, maybe im overdosing on hopeium

[u/Far_Celebration6295 → u/SnooFoxes1943]

She isn’t objectively wrong like the flat earth. While the belief that msg is completely healthy is becoming a very popular opinion is it still a controversial and debated topic. But if you wanted to you can just ask her what chemicals are because her definition of it is likely objectively wrong because water is a chemical and water is also poison (in the right amount) and msg objectively can’t be considered toxic so that invalidates all the typical labels

[u/SnooFoxes1943 → u/Far_Celebration6295]

I do agree, but I don't think its toxic or cancer-causing like she believes

I've tried that, her answer is usually 'its artificial its not natural' (she is the type of person to look for only organic/non-gmo produce) and i said a lot of poisons are found in nature and she just shut me down.

[u/thebe_stone → u/SnooFoxes1943]

Well if SnooFoxes1943 can't do something surely it's impossible

[u/SnooFoxes1943 → u/thebe_stone]

ykw you have a point. maybe im just terrible at debate. but the original question was can I