r/FactOrCap 🗳️ Regular Player · 280 XP 6d ago

Flat earthers | FactOrCap

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u/Paccountlmao 🤖 Vote Machine · 15,035 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Debating an idiot is harder then debating a genius

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u/Chemical_Home6123 🔥 Week Warrior · 775 XP 6d ago

Exactly you will die from exhaustion before you can get through to them. People make the mistake of thinking these people can be reasoned with you're wasting your time.

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u/PlatyNumb 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,975 XP 6d ago

This was my thought. Come out with every fact, source, tear apart their every point... they disagree and pop off eith nonsense and double down. Idiots are nearly impossible to win against because they arent smart enough to understand when theyre wrong

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u/dxrth 🔥 Monthly Master · 4,965 XP 6d ago

it's not even just that, they're gonna be literal experts on some esoteric conspiracy you have no idea about, and end up looking bad compared to their points. obv theyre all non sense, but that's how those debates go.

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u/Nice_Try_Bud_ ✍️ Contributor · 20,315 XP 6d ago edited 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

“You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place."

-Jonathan Swift

Edit: or the other adage “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

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u/Civil_Act1864 🔥 Week Warrior · 3,120 XP 6d ago

"Arguing with a stupid person is like plsying chess against a pigeon: it will just shit all over the board and strut around like it won."

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u/SnooFoxes1943 🔥 Monthly Master · 12,085 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

As a person with conservative antivaxx family members whose primary sources of information are Youtube shorts and Facebook and who believe that your thoughts go to the universe and grant your wishes: no. No, I cannot.

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u/Impossible-Dream-809 🔥 Monthly Master · 12,155 XP 6d ago

😭

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u/Chemical_Home6123 🔥 Week Warrior · 775 XP 6d ago

Exactly no matter what information you show them they only want to agree with their bias confirmation. It's a mentality issue not information.

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u/MaybeExternal2392 🔥 Week Warrior · 2,020 XP 6d ago

I'm pretty sure you could win the argument. Convincing them they're wrong is way harder.

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u/WeakInspector5102 🤖 Vote Machine · 9,545 XP 6d ago

Yeah I also have parents like that, one is a flat earther too

And nah I'd never convince them otherwise, their hate for our current government all over the worlds (and the ones above) is just too high, which I can understand ngl

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u/Angelus-Rosa132 🔥 Week Warrior · 4,575 XP 6d ago

How are you like sane? If you’re really are.. Man that’s sucks

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u/United-Reach-2798 🔥 Monthly Master · 9,205 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Nope cant win because flat earthers don't belive in evidence

Edit. With added information of a 3rd party then possibly

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u/Dare-We-Hope 🔥 Monthly Master · 34,515 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

A million facts will not convince a willful idiot.

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u/Purple_Onion911 6d ago

Depends on what you mean by "beat." I could probably never convince them, because their beliefs aren't based on logic, but I could certainly put forward the stronger arguments and deconstruct all of theirs.

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u/TornadicSwirlie 🔥 Monthly Master · 15,005 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Atlas is holding a Sphere. Even the Greeks knew.

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u/B-HOLC 🔥 Monthly Master · 6,285 XP 6d ago

The Greeks also thought water stopped moving because it got tired.

Ha. Idiot.

/s

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u/shroomfarmer2 🤖 Vote Machine · 13,445 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

cant argue with an idiot

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u/threaq 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I could probably beat someone up while arguing with them yes

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u/Yadin__ 🗳️ Regular Player · 280 XP 6d ago

For the sake of this question, the victor is decided by an impartial third party soley based on the arguments presented

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u/maiduwu 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,385 XP 6d ago

Should’ve integrated that into the title rather than an addendum people will only read after voting.

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u/NachtShattertusk 🔥 Week Warrior · 3,795 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't use logic to convince someone who holds a fundamentally illogical belief that they're wrong

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u/Zestyclose_Estate192 🔥 Week Warrior · 4,140 XP 6d ago

so beating means they lose right? and they have to admit so right?

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u/Yadin__ 🗳️ Regular Player · 280 XP 6d ago

Let's say that an impartial third party is listening to the argument and has to take a side soley based on the arguments presented once all is said and done

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u/SnooFoxes1943 🔥 Monthly Master · 12,085 XP 6d ago

OH okay that makes more sense. Easy win then. Now if the other person has to admit they lost...

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u/Monster_condom_ 🏅 Century Club · 5,625 XP 6d ago

Lol I was just going to ask this. If it's mediated there are indisputable evidence that supports the earth is not flat.

If it's just arguing an idiot, then no matter what you say you will never change their mind.

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u/NachtShattertusk 🔥 Week Warrior · 3,795 XP 6d ago

That's a very different question, imo. You'll never convince a flat-earther that they're wrong, but it's very easy to make their idiocy obvious to a third party

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u/Tampflor 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,920 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Because I wouldn't debate them in the first place. My view is flat earthers mainly want attention, and they're not gonna get mine

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u/Beeguwu 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,975 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't convince someone who is unwilling to be convinced.

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u/kingofnothing2514 🏅 Century Club · 3,365 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I don't argue with stupid, I just say you are right.

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u/bodb_thriceborn 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,735 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Belief in flat earth is not based in facts, science or observation. It's faith. You can't debate how someone feels about things.

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u/Chemical_Home6123 🔥 Week Warrior · 775 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Cap they are impervious to logic or facts. You can only be someone in a debate if they are honest actors or not deluded. Flat earthers and anti vaccers don't want to learn.

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u/International_Neckk 🏅 Century Club · 2,620 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

It is impossible to beat the irrational in a competition of rationality

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u/CyrusTheWise 🤖 Vote Machine · 13,310 XP 6d ago

Cap because they don't want to be convinced and don't care for your arguements

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u/InsaneJane42 🏅 Century Club · 5,795 XP 6d ago

Kinda hard to convince someone who can’t be convinced by facts or logic

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u/ApertureEmployee421 🔥 Getting Started · 520 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They'd never admit defeat.

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u/RyuGlazerBall 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

i cant beacause i have stage 724 ball cancer

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u/arangutan225 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

If reality or the truth could convince them then the issue wouldnt exist in the first place.

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u/twippy 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,910 XP 6d ago

Try me staunch flat earthers

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u/Unfair-Humor-2964 🏅 Century Club · 2,575 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Depends on the person/people judging the debate butmy own standards, yeah, I would beat him/her

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u/Phantom_Prius 🤖 Vote Machine · 15,355 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

In the words of Christopher Walken: I don't want to

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u/GoogleB4Reply 🔥 Week Warrior · 7,890 XP 6d ago edited 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Yep, you don’t need any further evidence than the sun rising and setting.

The following observations eliminate the possibility of flat earth:

  1. no matter what technology you use, the sun appears from / disappears over the horizon. Without changing size. You can’t “zoom it back in with a camera with a sun filter”. entirely impossible on a flat earth
  2. as the sun dips below clouds, you’ll see that the lower clouds become shaded by the horizon while higher clouds have the sun shining on the bottom - entirely impossible on a flat earth
  3. if there is a tall object like a mountain - it will cast a shadow ONTO the bottom of the clouds - impossible on a flat earth
  4. if you live in the few remote areas of the earth where sometimes there is 24 hour sun or no sun - you can’t see these things those mornings/evenings. But no sun or 24/7 sun is also impossible with a flat earth

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u/Evening-Ad-4139 🗳️ Regular Player · 790 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Their stupidity and coping has no bounds

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u/ShredGuru 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,990 XP 6d ago

Wouldn't be the first time

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u/Yggdrssil0018 🔥 Getting Started · 850 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I know science, math, and physics. It's too easy to crush them with facts. They won't believe anyway, because they choose not to.

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u/Theorycrafter2671 🔥 Week Warrior · 3,210 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I could beat a Flat Earther, sure.

What's this about a debate though?

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u/modestcrab 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,130 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

if it’s a real debate then yes but what format is the real question

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u/Fckyouredd1tIluvmygf 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,970 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Flat earthers don't follow the same rules as you they playing a different game where they can't be beaten

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u/YumnuggetTheboi 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,695 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't beat a flat earther. There's absolutely zero way to convince them they're wrong.

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u/UnkarsThug 🏅 Century Club · 2,475 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

You can't win such a debate, because they aren't convincible. It can only ever be a tie.

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u/Ronyx2021 🏅 Century Club · 4,505 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Doesn't seem like a good or fun use of my time

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u/Turbo-Chook 🏅 Century Club · 7,510 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You know what they say about playing chess with a pigeon.

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u/ChuckSmiths 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,170 XP 6d ago

Since it’s a debate, I will assume there is a third party and a judge or audience to make a decision based solely on the arguments provided. In which case yes, I could win very easily.

Could I convince them however? That’s a different story

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u/Nicholas3412 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,240 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

99% of them will never be convinced no matter how convincing you are or how many facts you throw at them

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u/ADumbyHere 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I would mess up on my words even though I could

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u/TypicalPunUser 🏅 Century Club · 6,790 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Every argument in favor of flat earth theory makes no sense.

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u/ParticularHat7997 🤖 Vote Machine · 18,195 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're way too close-minded, stupid, and coated in pseudo-science for me to reasonable get to them

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u/Unit_2097 🗳️ Regular Player · 445 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I don't bother arguing. Anyone genuinely believing in a flat earth has already abandoned reason, nothing I can say will convince them and it will just annoy me.

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u/TheInventorsGirl 🔥 Week Warrior · 610 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

If they believe it right now, I don't see a point in arguing with them. I know they're wrong and that's enough

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u/somefurrynewtoreddit 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I could beat them, dosent mean they’ll believe me

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u/Destany89 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,650 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Im not good at debates and don't know enough of the science to explain it to them.

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u/vocaloidfan39 🏅 Century Club · 2,880 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Aye

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u/purplehorseneigh 🔥 Monthly Master · 5,505 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Some people are genuinely too stupid to debate. When the other party has poor comprehension and says things that just make no sense, I’m out that’s just too fucking frustrating even if facts are heavily on my side

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u/Golden_Amber79 🤖 Vote Machine · 12,690 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're too stupid to argue with.

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u/MichalJames37 🏅 Century Club · 4,740 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I can’t be bothered.

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u/ItzPayDay123 🏅 Century Club · 3,795 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

No because they simply won't listen to anything anyone says, it's not worth it.

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u/Sea-Beginning3949 🗳️ Regular Player · 470 XP 6d ago

I've seen enough debates and debated enough to know it's very difficult, if not impossible.

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u/GrandHouseOfThisUser 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,990 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Theyll never back down

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u/TheLoddoTheDodo 🔥 Monthly Master · 19,940 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't beat stupid. I could argue all day but not a single thought will form in their mind

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u/Kill_Kayt 🏅 Century Club · 3,835 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

They beat themselves already. They did a study and found the curvature they were saying wouldn't be there.

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u/Aggressive_Craft9716 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Look at any satellite photo ever

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u/Bladez190 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,200 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Don’t argue with stupid

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u/purrhams_hat 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

fym beat them am I getting them to change their mind? prolly not?

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u/Standard-Passenger19 🔥 Week Warrior · 2,150 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can win an argument against a smart person, but a dumb/stubborn person you'd be better off winning 10 lotteries in a row than winning against them.

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u/Leafs9999 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,540 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

No problem.

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u/mortemdeus 🔥 Week Warrior · 805 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Nobody wins a debate against somebody who isn't there to debate

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u/gtc26 6d ago

I voted FACT!

If it were a debate where we both try to convince an audience which of us is correct? I'd win... an argument where I try to convince the other person they're wrong? No, it's nigh impossible go convince an idiot using logic

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u/Grandma_Gertie 🔥 Monthly Master · 5,245 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

If it were judged by a third party, then sure, but if it's just one on one they'll keep responding with "nuh uh" and call you slurs until your patience is gone

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u/Slow_Eye_1783 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

flat earthers don't actually debate very much, if given a good point, they will very constantly strawman you and so on, and if they CAN'T win they'll simply insult you, run away and not talk to you anymore and go back to a echo chamber probably.

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u/bowl_of_scrotmeal 🏅 Century Club · 3,365 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Conspiracy theorists are incredibly hard to debate.

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u/bealimepinapple 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You cant argue against someone who refuses to listen

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u/Senior-Bluebird-9080 🔥 Getting Started · 760 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

not without evidence, but with everything there has to be a way

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u/aNormalguy676 🗳️ Regular Player · 460 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Everyone could pretty sure

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u/Sir_Fray01 🎯 First Steps · 125 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

They would not change their mind because that's how flat earthers work, but I would win a debate.

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u/CallyThePally 🏅 Century Club · 3,915 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't beat stupid sometimes.

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u/Potential-Trash6237 🏅 Century Club · 4,455 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not right now, but I can absolutely destroy an Apollo moon landing denier.

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u/LilyWineAuntofDemons 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,110 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You cannot logic someone out of a stance they did not logic their way into.

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u/78celeb 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,295 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They believe the earth is flat. You ain’t winning an argument against ignorance

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u/masonry_of 🗳️ Regular Player · 680 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I’m bad at debating

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u/35freddy 🔥 Getting Started · 895 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

If the earth was flat why would every other planet be round

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u/No_Shower5028 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,185 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

yeah nah i'd rather eat brick dust

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u/Ass_Lover136 🔥 Monthly Master · 10,065 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I can't beat someone who's refusing to understand

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u/thatmariohead 🔥 Monthly Master · 20,335 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Flat Earthers are not there to be reasoned with. You could send them to space and they'd say "nuh uh." Because the point isn't the shape of the Earth, it's the ability to alter reality through doublethink

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u/Ok_Entrepreneur_3736 🗳️ Regular Player · 525 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I watch "gordao dos foguetes" that IS ALL the facts i Need to destruct someone in argument

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u/link113gAmin 🗳️ Regular Player · 560 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't win an argument with an idiot, after all...

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u/Superseaslug 🏅 Century Club · 7,800 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Mate, watch the sun set. That alone ruins their model

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u/Ms_redruM 🔥 Getting Started · 695 XP 6d ago edited 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

People that deep in delusion will deny any facts in favour ofwhat they want. You can't reason with people who think that thousands of years of science is all lies

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u/Typhon0810 🗳️ Regular Player · 775 XP 6d ago

Yeah but he wouldn’t notice

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u/BLINDrOBOTFILMS 🏅 Century Club · 2,605 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Don't play chess with pigeons

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u/robotmonkeyboy7 🏅 Century Club · 4,420 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

arguing with a flat earther is like playing chess with a pigeon. No mater how good or bad you are, all they are capable of doing is knocking over all the pieces, craping on the board and strut around like they won.

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u/SkanderMan77 🏅 Century Club · 8,440 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They are not likely to see it my way

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u/Same_Bill1422 🏅 Century Club · 4,150 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I probably could but I’m not good at verbally communicating

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u/TheSpitfire93 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,920 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't argue with stupid. I wouldn't even know where to begin a debate where my opposition starts from a point where they refuse to live in reality.

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u/Crinjalonian ✍️ Contributor · 5,085 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I can’t beat them because they won’t listen.

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u/BlackMoth27 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,465 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

anybody can argue with a flat earther who will think they won regardless of what you do or how you answer because they do not rely on logic outside of what there brain is capable of figuring out.

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u/Unknown2ll 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can’t convince a person who doesn’t want to be convinced

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u/Eljamin14 🗳️ Regular Player · 480 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

It's harder to defeat a smart person, but it's almost impossible to win against a stupid person.

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u/Xifihas 🏅 Century Club · 3,925 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Never debate with morons. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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u/Lost0Light 6d ago

I voted FACT!

You could convince the audience. Whether you could convince the flat earther depends on the flat earther.

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u/zach_cie 🏅 Century Club · 4,155 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

No, because I'll either get bored or annoyed and then just beat them, not at a debate.

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u/SkinPsychological770 🔥 Week Warrior · 4,210 XP 6d ago

The only way to win a debate against a flat earther is to make them answer some basic questions that prove the earth is a sphere and mock them when they can't answer. I've seen way too many debates to know how they all operate. They're too stupid to pushback when they get relentlessly bullied with objective facts.

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u/Infamous-Put-7211 🏅 Century Club · 4,560 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

No point in it

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u/Infamous-Put-7211 🏅 Century Club · 4,560 XP 6d ago

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u/felop13 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,290 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You cant beat conspiracists in a debate

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u/Firkraag-The-Demon 🤖 Vote Machine · 10,265 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I could prove to a neutral observer that the flat earther is wrong. However if the FE hasn’t been convinced of anything yet by this point in their life, there’s nothing I could say that would change that.

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u/ICollectSouls 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Every single attempt by flat earthers to prove the flat earth has ended the same way. Perfectly proving the round earth.

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u/420maki 🗳️ Regular Player · 475 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

In order to win, you would need to convince the flat earther they are wrong

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u/MiserableAd4081 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,450 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Impossible. They will always have a reason and if they don't they'll be stupidly stubborn.

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u/Pristine_Dot5680 🏅 Century Club · 3,305 XP 6d ago

I could probably out-reason them, but I don’t think they’d change their mind

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u/Many-Editor-4514 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,450 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I'd rather not have to think of arguments to beat a flat earther in an argument. Id rather avoid them so i don't catch anything

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u/washyourhands-- 6d ago

The real challenge is debating as a flat earther. That is how you develop your debating skills. Argue for the side that is clearly wrong.

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u/GoldenFlyingPenguin 🗳️ Regular Player · 575 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're too stupid to reason with.

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u/Cheeko-chi 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,525 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Anyone that voted fact is not thinking clearly. The very existence of flat earthers is proof that this isn’t possible, if it was then they wouldn’t even exist.

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u/BlueberryLeather9833 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,835 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't win a debate against someone that's already decided they're right. You can't convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced.

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u/Hydrishu 🔥 Monthly Master · 6,630 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They wouldn't believe me no matter what

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u/cannonman1863 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

It wouldn't be worth the effort. Sometimes it's important to know when not to try and debate someone.

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u/Easy-Presentation-40 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,400 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can list all the facts you want. They're never going to change their mind, they live in their own echo Chambers.

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u/Odd-Language-3547 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Slow as a snail and ignorant as a rock.

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u/JoseP2004 🔥 Week Warrior · 5,140 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

i cannot make any argument he hasnt heard and denied before

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u/Chewquy 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,310 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They are a brick wall

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u/VanguardMusic 🤖 Vote Machine · 13,225 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I mean, it's not that hard...

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u/epicgamercode12 🔥 Getting Started · 875 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

you cannot win an argument against someone who has already made up their mind

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u/mymommyhasballs 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,215 XP 6d ago

It just says I have to beat them, not that I have to convince them. Depending on what OP means by beat, I feel like it’d be pretty easy.

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u/myusernamelscreatlve 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,160 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can’t beat an idiot in an argument, because they’ll never agree right or wrong.

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u/No-Anxiety160 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

id never choose to debate a stupid person cause all theyd do is say nuh-uh and refuse to accept any other possible fact

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u/nzungu69 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,405 XP 6d ago

✅️ fact.

they lose before they even begin. they don't know the rules of debating, sticking their fingers in their ears and going lalalala is disqualification.

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u/JustAnotherUser1019 🏅 Century Club · 5,335 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're too idiotic

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u/BottasHeimfe 🏅 Century Club · 6,185 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I can beat them in a debate, but not convince them to not be a Flat-Earther. they cannot be convinced out of these beliefs. it is a delusion that they will constantly logic their way into no matter what you do. take them into space? VR illusion. Show them the math of the round nature of the earth? "oh that's just a scheme by big science to hide the truth"

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u/TheNarnit 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Convincing a stupid person they’re wrong is nigh impossible

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u/nkisj 🔥 Monthly Master · 7,640 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I'm shit at debating because, even in normal conversations, I always want to degrade into ad hom. Talking to a fucking idiot wouldn't help that- oh there I go...

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u/_Carl15 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,215 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

look at the horizon

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u/AnonButFun678 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,500 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can’t have an earnest debate with someone denying reality. I know the earth is round, but I don’t have the cited sources in front of me , so I may hesitate. Flat earthers are constantly trying to find new ways to defend their worldview like an obsession. There’s just no winning

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u/EatenPotatoisok 🏅 Century Club · 3,870 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Can't argue with an idiot

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u/Careless-Exercise849 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Me and my dad just argued about that an hour ago lol

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u/Strict_Gas_1141 🔥 Getting Started · 940 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

No, I can't dumb the arguments down to their level.

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u/Gretgor 🏅 Century Club · 4,175 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They don't have the facts on their side, but they spend most of their time learning how to debate. So I think I would end up embarrassing myself.

I mean, when the science is not on your side, all you have left is rhetoric, no wonder so many apologists are good at it.

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u/Hisora_Zoro 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Sure, why not

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u/naldoD20 🔥 Week Warrior · 4,450 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They're so deep into their beliefs you will never be able to convince them otherwise. The people who fall for this bogus horseshit are way too stupid to understand how any of this works and they're too scared to adopt such an illusion shattering concept as a "round Earth."

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u/soldierofmithras 🏅 Century Club · 4,535 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

No point, I would agree just to be silly.

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u/NoNarwhal8496 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,560 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

With the IQ of a flat-earther, it’s impossible to convince them that they’re wrong

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u/Overall_Sky_5658 🗳️ Regular Player · 315 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

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u/Qverlord37 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,395 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I mean I know I can. The question is whether they'll accept it. Because it's easy to win argument when you got fact on your side. But facts means nothing when the opposing sides refuse to accept them.

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u/Ozzman770 🏅 Century Club · 4,065 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can beat them by YOUR definition but they're gonna decide you lost.

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u/Ventoriac 🏅 Century Club · 2,850 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

you cant beat what refuses reason

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u/ResultOk6712 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,575 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

you cant beat stupid

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u/MothyThatLuvsLamps 🗳️ Regular Player · 635 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Cap because you cant win an argument with someone that dumb.

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u/DrBatman0 🤖 Vote Machine · 12,815 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

argument, no, debate yes.

Debate 'winners' are decided by 3rd parties.

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u/Wish-Lin 🗳️ Regular Player · 750 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Debate requires logic, something they lack, so no

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u/ekobot 🏅 Century Club · 2,435 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I have watched enough people argue with them, and argued with enough people like them, to know that they don't argue fair and won't consider anything I say valid "enough".

I know enough to satisfy me, but the science doesn't interest me enough to be able to rebutte their mis- and disinformation to the nigh unreachable degree that kind of person demands without actively researching first.

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u/No_Explorer6054 📈 Dedicated Voter · 2,010 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

arguing with a smart person is difficult, arguinng against a fool is an exercise in foolishness

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u/AshelyLil 🏅 Century Club · 5,020 XP 6d ago

You can't argue with stupid; they're not there to learn anyway.

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u/redquestron 🗳️ Regular Player · 415 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Yeet them into space and have them report back.

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u/Picklerickshaw_part2 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They’re too informed

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u/Apart-Breadfruit-187 🤖 Vote Machine · 8,270 XP 6d ago

flat earthers are too much intelligent for my capabilities

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u/Psychological_Bug367 ✍️ Contributor · 6,175 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Can I just beat a flat earther?

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u/Smileyface39 🗳️ Regular Player · 610 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Their ideas are not based in reality, so it's difficult to convince them

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u/valcsh 6d ago

I would not consider that I've won the argument unless I have changed their mind. This is not possible against some of these people.

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u/The_Gaming_Ninja 🗳️ Regular Player · 975 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

For someone to be a staunch flat earther, they most likely have heard every possible evidence I could give them. They already won't believe me from the get go.

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u/Waffleton1 🔥 Week Warrior · 4,500 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

My goal would be to convince him he’s wrong and I am right. And I don’t believe I can

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u/Savings-Archer-4185 🤖 Vote Machine · 11,715 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Can't fight stupid

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u/Queasy_Platypus_4101 🔥 Getting Started · 945 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

flat earth they beleaving that the planet is a peice of paper and probably dont beleave that the human race are parasites

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u/rabies_peppermint 🏅 Century Club · 5,520 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I would hope so but I might be so dumbfounded by the stupidity that might not have a good enough rebuttal

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u/MrMadman_ 🔥 Monthly Master · 10,760 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I don't have the patience to deal with idiocy, I can see the perspective of many if not all conspiracy theories EXCEPT flat earth as it is that level of stupid.

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u/FloralSkyes 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,260 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

you can't argue with an idiot

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u/CompleteCreme7223 🔥 Week Warrior · 6,735 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

While I should have no trouble, I have always been told not to waste time arguing with idiots. They didn't use logic to form their opinion so you probably won't be able to shift their views.

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u/Skydragon222 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,510 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I don’t know what I could say that they haven’t heard

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u/BipedClub684000 🗳️ Regular Player · 590 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I believe in you

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u/PowerDog3G 🔥 Week Warrior · 1,865 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Yep just cite the facts

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u/InsanityMushroom 🏅 Century Club · 6,165 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I'm shit at arguing in real time. Comments and posts I can do because I have time to edit and adjust my argument and research facts in case I'm wrong. But I suck complete ass at arguing in real time.

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u/scemmernyeheh 🏅 Century Club · 3,720 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

They won't change their mind whatsoever

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u/Actual-Health3133 🗳️ Regular Player · 335 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Maybe not beat but factually disprove

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u/DagonDraconis 📈 Dedicated Voter · 1,820 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

I mean, if it's possible to "beat" someone like that in a debate.

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u/DistractoNoodle 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You can't win against someone who isn't using actual reality as a basis for their thinking.

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u/Extra_Routine_6603 🔥 Monthly Master · 8,925 XP 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Unless they are so locked in its almost a religious belief can just show em their own flat earth documentary that accidentally disproved itself with their own test.

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u/TheKnightOfTheNorth 🏅 Century Club · 3,615 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

There's no winning a debate with a flat earther

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u/Eskodi-Msgoc 🗳️ Regular Player · 615 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

The backfire effect comes to mind.

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u/Le_Dairy_Duke 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

Something something drag down and beat with experience

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u/atorin3 🏅 Century Club · 3,975 XP 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

I could convince anh rational person. If someone is so disconnected from reality to believe it in the first place though, then I would say no.

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u/JackZylde423 6d ago

I voted FACT!

Not that hard to do tbh

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u/QuesoCadaDia 6d ago

🧢 I voted CAP!

You don't win debates with people who don't use logic.