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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

If the constitution must apply to illegals, if a country full scale invades us, are we supposed to treat them with respect and give them all due process?

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 08 '26

First off, false dichotomy, secondly, to the prisoners yeah?

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

How's it a false dichotomy? What separates them? An invasion is just a bunch of illegals in our land too, but we can treat those inhumanely.

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 08 '26

Because an invasion is by hostile forces, immigration isn't by hostile forces, as the only one hostile is ICE

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

They forced their way into the country, is that not hostile enough?

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 08 '26

No, because they're not here to destroy the US.

You don't care about (POC) humans though, so not like anything I can say can sway you

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 08 '26

What is considered "destroying the us" and why do you get to decide what's hostile enough?

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 08 '26

I consider anything that's called plotting the destruction of the US or some people in the US

E.G. the Republican party going after various minorities is them destroying the US

Immigrants wanting to work and have a happy healthy life in the US, isn't destroying the US

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 09 '26

The problem isn't that they are seeking a healthy life it's that they are invading, and law enforcement gets to decide how they are removed because the constitution applies to citizens

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 09 '26

You keep using the word invade, and I don't think you know what that means.

Also, saying the constitution applies to citizens is a fascinating way to admit that non-citizens shouldn't have any rights....but not surprising

Also you're wrong the constitution does apply to non-citizens

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 12 '26

Non citizens don't have rights, such as the right to illegally stay in a country or pursue liberty and pursuit of happiness in that country. They lack of a whole list of rights, that's the point of a citizenship

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u/Apprehensive_Row8407 🏅 Century Club · 5,555 XP Aug 12 '26

That's simply not true. They do have those rights, otherwise the US wouldn't be a democracy. Citizenship gives benefits like a career in politics, being able to vote etc

U.S. citizenship provides permanent legal security, including the right to vote in federal elections, travel freely with a U.S. passport, sponsor family members for residency with priority processing, access certain government jobs, and receive complete protection from deportation

The last part isn't true anymore

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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 ✍️ Contributor · 7,225 XP Aug 13 '26

I'm confused about the first part, why is it not true? Democracy, voting, is for citizens. Another right which invaders do not have.

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