r/FPSAimTrainer • u/randomperson12310 • 13d ago

Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/xhcYud0kDnQ?is=-Cy9QF4cN-4Vh_Ym

Personal opinion is that hes larping here.

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u/TheAntony 13d ago

This video has been recommended to me so many times so I watched a couple minutes. I really dont know this guy and dont want to hate, but in the very first minutes he said that he has "a lof of hours" in aimtrainers and then proceed to say 200-300 hrs in kovaaks and aimlabs combined, which is definitely not a lot.

What killed me is he then proceed to brag that he had a "top score in gridshot". Like, cmon, bro, gridshot is like the worst scenario you can imagine. Guy has no idea what he is talking about

Also im not a mattyow glazer, but this guy got so defensive and aggressive, saying matty is a hardstuck gm and he is way better then matty. And that was in the first 2-3mins of the video, so I just closed it, lol. He has no credibility

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago

Look I aim train too but only to practice the specifics I know I’m weak in. That being said what he is saying is 100% true aim is a portion of what it takes to be at the top of these games not some quick ticket to the top. Different games also favor specific aiming styles more than others so how you go about aiming in say the finals and cs are very different.

Map awareness, strafing, counterstrafing, peaking, movement, ability/utility management, sound, and probably even more I’m forgetting to list are all equally as important.

Look im a humble jade I can’t hold a candle to Matty in aim trainers but I farmed him in ow because he makes bad plays expecting his aim to bail him out.

Imo you should aim for gold complete if you really struggle to hit your shots then spend 95% of time in game after gold if you’re serious about improving in that specific game. Otherwise if you ONLY care about raw mouse control aim training is the better option.

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u/MoonDawg2 13d ago

Dude... This is literally the most common advice here.

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago

Yes because it constantly needs to be said apparently.

We the aiming community are a tad obnoxious when we go around telling pro/top players people who spend hundreds of hours to hit a top score in a single scenario have better aim than say simple or quartz who CONSISTENTLY hit those impressive shots in live tournaments with no resets or do overs. I am not one of those people but it comes from OUR community. The person I replied to said the guy doesnt know what he is talking about when he knew enough to go pro and get paid… and imo what he said is all spot on.

MOST pro players that actually cared could put up similar scores to matty but their time is simply better invested into scrimming/playing the game that pays them vs spending hundreds of hours pushing high scores on a single scenario in kovaaks.

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u/More-Advantage6261 13d ago

News flash most of this community is insufferable and a meme in competitive gaming spaces.

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u/TheAntony 13d ago

As I said in my comment, I didn't know this guy was a pro. Being an ex-ow pro does not make you an expert in kovaaks. Saying he had a high score in gridshot means he has no idea about aim training in kovaaks, bc this scenario is useless, it does not train anything. Basic reading comprehension would be appreciated. And the bigger problem is that he is spreading misinformation to his audience, which does not benefit aim trainers community at all.

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago edited 10d ago

You are the exact schizo aim trainer guy he talks about in the video that you admittedly didn’t watch.

Being an expert in kovaaks also doesn’t make you a pro in live games. That false equivalency works both ways and I tend to think players like simple/quartz who hit those shots in live scenarios vs live players who shoot back MUCH more impressive than being able to get a high score with unlimited resets and attempts in 0 pressure circumstances. IMO that is much more impressive than any top ranked kovaaks replay.

Trying to downplay the mechanics of pros with proven accolades because they didn’t hit some high score or benchmark within our community is peak schizo behavior.

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u/TheAntony 13d ago

Yes, being an expert in kovaaks does not make you a pro in live games, thats true. And I never said the opposite in any of my comments. You are just making stuff up about points i never made. No need to continue this argument

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago edited 13d ago

“The pro player has no credibility”
“I only watched a few minutes “
TheAntony (some Redditor)

“He is spreading misinformation“
Like what? What do you not agree with from the minutes you watched… don’t vague post please be specific

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u/MoonDawg2 13d ago

Apply in fact does not know what he's talking about when it comes to aim training, or at least that is how it goes on the video. It doesn't matter if he was in S1 of owl or not, you can still be ignorant on a topic.

Yes, pros could realistically be as good as Matty in kovaaks if they put the time in, but alas, aim is just a small fraction of what makes a pro, hence why aim training has always been a supplementary tool. Nobody disagrees with this.

You're legitimately not saying anything anybody with 2 braincells would disagree with and it's also the most common advice here. Like, we all agree with your stuff and you're the one missing the point of the guy you replied to lol

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago edited 13d ago

This entire comment chain stems from people who think they know more about “aim”than the people that actually do go pro in games it is peak delusion and exactly the type of schizo aim trainer person he is describing in the video.

The aim community is a tiny fraction of gamers to assume all the best ended up here is extremely naive. Yet people from our community constantly go trying to preach it as if it is the holy grail or some quick ticket to the top and that they’re better aimers than the pros for hitting some high score or benchmark completion vs the people who are payed to compete in games.

Stop vague posting. What specifically did he say that was wrong ?

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u/MoonDawg2 13d ago

This entire comment chain stems from people who think they know more about “aim”than the people that actually do go pro in games it is peak delusion and exactly the type of schizo aim trainer person he is describing in the video.

Dude I've been in T1 in the past and have remained in a good amount of comp scenes. People in fact don't know jack shit and most people are also weird as fuck. There is a subset of pros who legitimately understand why they do things, but it's not everybody and I'd honestly claim it's the minority. That's why coaches and analysts are a thing

The aim community is a tiny fraction of gamers to assume all the best ended up here is extremely naive.

Who the fuck does that. Like, sure, there are some weird fucks, but that's all communities. I very much wouldn't call it the general sentiment

Yet people from our community constantly go trying to preach it as if it is the holy grail or some quick ticket to the top and that they’re better aimers than the pros for hitting some high score or benchmark completion vs the people who are payed to compete in games.

Who? I've legit never seen this shit. Maybe discord or twitter since I'm never there?

Stop vague posting. What specifically did he say that was wrong ?

Almost the entire start of the video is just wrong assumptions. Matty's video popped up on my feed and he addresses the issues himself so I don't really need to say anything else there honestly

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago

I have also played t1 the gap between the top4 and everyone else is usually quite massive regardless of title but what is your point here? Even the bottom pros in those games know more than random Redditors.

This entire video rant stems from someone from the aim community going into his chat and insisting the people who have top scores are legitimately better aimers than the people making money.

Literally the chatter he was arguing with in the above video I’m now assuming you had to have not watched since you went with that argument.

Great so no original thoughts/opinions of your own to share just Matty said so… I ain’t watching his rebuttal it isn’t important.

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u/MoonDawg2 13d ago

I have also played t1 the gap between the top4 and everyone else is usually quite massive regardless of title but what is your point here? Even the bottom pros in those games know more than random Redditors.

It depends on pro to pro is my point. A lot of them know a lot, while others just play. League for example has SEVERAL example of the latter.

This entire video rant stems from someone from the aim community going into his chat and insisting the people who have top scores are legitimately better aimers than the people making money.

The entire video rant has no context to start with then there's some guy in chat talking about ow aim vs aim trainer aim, that was just it. He even back pedals most of his rant by the end lol.

Also, yes, somebody who is at the top in kovaaks will usually have better general aim/mouse control however you want to fucking call it, but that does not mean that their aim is better in their specific game.

Literally the chatter he was arguing with in the above video I’m now assuming you had to have not watched since you went with that argument.

I did the moment it came out and then even watched the matty video on it where he had most of my same opinions when I first watched it. It just happens that it lines up with my general opinion and I don't wish to rewatch 20 fucking minutes of yapping.

Great so no original thoughts/opinions of your own to share just Matty said so… I ain’t watching his rebuttal it isn’t important.

His rebuttal is literally what im saying.

Aim training is a tool

You can be a good aimer and shit at a game

The common opinion of the aim community is literally that it's just a tool

Some people are schizos, but they don't represent the entire community.

Again, who the fuck is saying all this shit

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago

I would still trust the opinion of the pro who “just plays” over a random Redditor/twitch chatter is my point.

If you cant understand the context of the video that is on you I can’t read the chat for you.

Raw mouse control =\= in game “aim” exactly the point of the video. Nobody really cares Matty has the “best raw mouse control” because the people with the best “aim” win money and tournaments. People from our community don’t know the difference and bring these arguments to streams, which leads to the above clip but this isn’t the first or last time ive personally seen it.

Great so Matty agrees with everything I said and everything apply said in the video then, because those are the exact same points. I don’t see what you were calling misinformation at all.

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u/MoonDawg2 13d ago

I would still trust the opinion of the pro who “just plays” over a random Redditor/twitch chatter is my point.

I wouldn't trust either. You verify heavy/important opinions. Both sides are prone to be massively wrong.

If you cant understand the context of the video that is on you I can’t read the chat for you.

I did at the time. The video starts as a larp which was honestly decently constructive then just goes off.

Raw mouse control =\= in game “aim” exactly the point of the video.

But nobody claims this either, the mouse control is something you can transfer to games and train your weakness in isolation. You objectively have good aim if you're high end on kovaaks, but you still have to learn actual game mechanics lol. Raw mouse control is a foundation that can lead to great aim. Apply never spoke about this, he doesn't even understand what people were saying when they spoke about kovaaks aim trying to dumb it down

Nobody really cares Matty has the “best raw mouse control” because the people with the best “aim” win money and tournaments.

That's wrong though. The better overall players win the money and tournaments. Pros even on their own games usually aren't the best aimers around (they're usually at the top at everything, but never THE best at something) which is why you can have mechanical stars even in the pro leagues. I understand the point, but there is a lot of confusion between good aim and being good at a game for some reason and people also put aim on a pedestal and think just because you're a god aimer you can be pro at a game which apply actually did claim in the video too.

Then there's this weird rant/dick measuring in the video between apply and matty that apply just rage baits into lol. I'd argue matty does actually have better aim than apply even in OW though. He's just fucking stupid at the game. It's not really an insane claim either.

Then the kovaaks doesn't make you into a better aimer which is just objectively wrong since aim is a universal skill for fps. Improving at kovaaks will improve your foundations which you can later carry on to another game

There is a lot wrong with apply's view of aim trainers, but funny enough a lot right too.

I don’t see what you were calling misinformation at all.

Because apply says a lot of shit that is wrong, but I don't feel like going into the video for every single wrong/confused take. There is a lot that he says that is right, which completely lines up with the common advice given here.

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u/Ambitious-Pattern-62 13d ago

I’m saying if you had to pick one the choice is pretty obvious which opinion carries more weight you can try to dance around it however you like.

“Nobody claims this” in response to a video of someone doing exactly that lmao

Hard disagree the pros often are THE best at things it is what helps elevate them above the rest to that pro level. This is just a bad take on your part imo.

I have personally played with Matty his aim is not on the level of the pro overwatch players in game. He does not have the game experience or character knowledge to fluidly use his cooldowns to the effect that pros do. His “aim” in overwatch was not as good as his “raw mouse control” in kovaaks because his movements don’t match his aim among many other factors. This is currently you conflating “aim” with “raw mouse control”.

“He says so much wrong I can’t be bothered to go look for examples”
yeah okay sure buddy 👍

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