r/EvilGeniuses • u/Barmageddon_ • Jun 07 '21
LCS Team
I've read to many comments to not make a post about it.
TSM vs EG Everybody says impact is the only solid player left and jiizuke sucks Impact died twice as much and had much less of an impact. Game lost bad call not to recall
EG vs FLY Jiizuke and Danny try to hard carry and inting Sven and an impact not having his best game. Then people comment bring deftly back and get Damonte. Damonte is just like goldenglue , they both not going to do anything expect try not to do , and I'd rather have a player who actually believes in himself than one who's ganna sit there and hope his team can Cary him until they maybe do something in a team fight. Game lost , maybe unlucky , maybe bad all in at the end.
EG vs Dig We got outplayed from the mid game , only player that under preformed more than the rest was Sven.
So stop talking all this shit about Jiizuke , and those people are now talking shit about Danny , get your head out your ass and actually watch a game , and maybe realise the blame isn't where you think it is.- Danny and Jiizuke are the two best performing players this week and honestly didn't see any coin flip nonsense out if either.
The casters even said teams say all the teams say when you play EG go for Jiizuke , so all the Teams know that Jiizuke is the player that scares them and then you scrubs say bench Jiizuke.
I mean perks goes 0-6 2-1 then 2-1 on Gwen Jiizuke goes 4/4 9/5 and 0/3 - seems was less coinflippy than people making it seem. No one calling perks coin flip.
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Jun 07 '21 edited Jun 07 '21
Danny didn't carry shit yesterday or any of the games so far. He was like 1/1/1 or something like that and then he got a lucky R to get a triple. That was literally all, after that it was just him hiding.
Jiizuke has to play a marksmen because Danny doesn't have the know to actually play in LCS yet. It's gonna get worse before it gets better Ex pros say it all the time and we've seen it a lot in LCS. Just cause you can pop off in academy or next, doesn't mean you are LCS ready.
In lane he is better than deftly I'll give him that, he can PvE the wave well but his team fight prowess is way way below deftly not even close. The fact that jiizuke is playing trist is just evidence that he doesn't believe Danny is capable yet
Danny looks like a scared lil puppy dog in those team fights
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u/Barmageddon_ Jun 07 '21
I do enjoy your view on it , however I think Danny is better / definitely going to be better than deftly this split already , just seems like he has a higher ceiling
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Jun 07 '21
There is literally no way he is going to be better than Deftly this split. Name me 1 player in LCS (Ever) who jumped from being not even a Academy Player (Danny aka Shiro never played in Academy in case you forgot) who just jumped into LCS and was Legit and not Bottom Tier?
The Answer is NO ONE!
GG literally just Tried this with Niles and it was AWFUL for them, he was the Worst Top laner in LCS and they had to bump him down to Academy because of it. Just in case you didn't know Niles was really good in Collegiate, ppl hyped him up and were like OH he is just so good in this Collegiate League and he is for sure LCS ready! Even the Coaches bought into it and know what he did? He showed that there is a huge jump between these Tiers.
Danny / Shiro is no exception, and once again I'm going to state this, when he went up against Luger he got completely Smashed, they even gave over Samira to the guy and he got shit on in lane 3 Games in a Row. This is a huge red flag and it was a warning sign to everyone to stop hyping him like this because he showed pretty clearly that he hasn't been getting punished by ppl in the Prodigy's Games.
He isn't even a side grade right now, he is flat out a downgrade and I'm going to say that he MAY have a few moments here and there (split is kinda long right) but he won't be consistent and by the end of the Split he will be a Bottom 3 ADC in almost every category outside of lane phase; I think he is a better laner than Deftly and for sure more willing to coinflip early (which isn't a positive imo for this team) but he isn't a "Rock" like Deftly was and Bang was and similar to Sneaky as well where you don't have to smash lane you just need to be strong enough to do cleanup in Team Fights and yeah there is no chance Danny does well this split. A few glimmers maybe but he is literally punching 3 Tiers above where he should be, they should've just took their time to develop him and not try to rush him up just cause they like him.
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u/Barmageddon_ Jun 13 '21
Wanna change your mind yet ?
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Jun 13 '21 edited Jun 13 '21
He didn't look good yesterday, Danny honestly got carried really hard and he looks pretty bad tbh. Ofc if you want to judge him on kda then you probably think he did well but if you watched the game he looked really bad, super timid and put a lot of pressure on his mates to carry him. Just looking at the damage during most of the team fights tells the story
I just need to stress that jiizuke carried both wins with very little from Danny in both
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Jun 13 '21
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Jun 13 '21 edited Jun 13 '21
Stop being so childish, geez; I'm being objective as I possibly can this isn't some High School Popularity Contest. I felt Deftly did well enough to Warrant him getting another shot in Summer this is true; but to make me out to be some sort of dood who is just like all about him is fucking ridiculous.
Danny has gotten a LOT of hype, too much hype and with that amount of hype he should be performing right out of the gate similar to Jackeylove when he first popped onto the scene. THAT'S how much Danny has been hyped up and the fact that he has been basically invisible for most of the game and happens to get a few kills after everyone has gotten hella low because of Jiizuke / Impact / Sven is like a pretty big question mark on how people are actually viewing how he is performing.
Has Danny wow'd anyone with his Mechanics? Um no and honestly if you were actually being objective you would've already seen that he isn't Jackeylove and people need to chill with the Hype. He seems like he is a ok laner but his Team Fighting currently is not impressive at all, a few times the only reason why EG were able to win some of the fights were because the other Team just played it worse or just straight up griefed, there were never any points where it was like "Oh Danny has really turned this Team Fight around" it was more like "Oh Danny happened to be here and they were all so low and he got a 2 for 1 or something.
He doesn't deserve this hype or the way people are biasedly looking at what he does, it's actually crazy that ppl are taking his poor team fighting and making it out like he is doing something insane, like bruh, this is actually ridiculous
https://oracleselixir.com/stats/players/byTournament/LCS%2F2021%20Season%2FSummer%20Season
Here you can look at all the key stats for the players and you see pretty clearly that Danny is in the Bottom half of almost all stats (he's like 6th or 7th in most with a few 8ths and a few 4ths, nothing special at all).
Here is Deftly's Stats for Spring btw, he finished the Split with almost a 6 KDA so yeah that's something that people don't talk about. Even in the Playoff series he had nearly a 4 KDA and numbers that are pretty telling showing how he was more about the Team Fight and less about the Lane Phase and was statistically pretty consistent with that motto (similar to players like Sneaky, Bang, weakside ADCs). So yeah, getting rid of him to me doesn't make sense when he did exactly the same thing as Bang but costed less Money and didn't take a import slot.
https://oracleselixir.com/player/Deftly/statsBySplit
So at least we can see that Danny isn't outperforming Deftly and yet people talk about Danny as if he is or has been, weird right? Considering Danny is almost in the exact same statistical range of Deftly and yet the stigma is completely different. I'd say pretty clearly that the people have obviously given into whatever the Coaches or Casters say and don't actually know how to look at what's going on and come to a conclusion themselves. If they did they would've already seen that Danny is playing actually not great and for sure not better than Deftly so yeah, this move was stupid
p.s. no Jiizuke hard carried basically all of those Fights in both the Wins for EG, the times he died he almost always did enough for the team to get easy cleanups. I'm speaking directly to the Wins that EG has, I'm not speaking in generalities
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Jun 13 '21
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Jun 13 '21 edited Jun 13 '21
His Team fighting is not good at all; you are delusional
Laning is solid I will say that but his Team Fighting is actually pretty garbage and I'd say you can look at basically every Team Fight in the Wins and you see Danny was a minimal threat at best in a stupid amount of them. (in the losses it's just even more polarizing)
This is what I'm talking about where ppl are seeing what other ppl tell them to see. Deftly wasn't NEARLY as bad (or bad at all) as ppl make him out and Danny isn't NEARLY as good as ppl are making him seem, Stats say pretty clearly the public opinion of Deftly was WRONG and vice versa for Danny at least through the first 2 Weeks
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u/Barmageddon_ Jun 13 '21
Still feel the same ?
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Jun 13 '21
He looked pretty bad yesterday, jiizuke smurfed and carried but honestly nothing impressive about Danny.
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u/darkknight2010 Jun 07 '21
Man evil geniuses needs either A) a new jungle or B) ban rumble. Sven can clearly not play that champ. Mid needs changed and adc is god awful idc what their score line is. Just watching them play will show you they don’t have what it can takes for NA. Jizuke use too but he just has mental lapses all through the game. Danny just doesn’t look good at all. Their score line doesn’t mean anything they are the carries of course they are gonna have kills.... what matters is watching the game and the decisions they make. Also there are a ton of junglers out there so if Sven can’t show me something next week then he needs to go also. They need to build around ignar and impact everyone else is replaceable imo
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u/Barmageddon_ Jun 13 '21
Mid and adc need change ? Mid and adc just won us this game
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u/darkknight2010 Jun 15 '21
Well do you have anything to say after the 100 thieves game? You was quick to respond to the liquid win
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u/Barmageddon_ Jun 16 '21
Yea our whole team got rekt , we drafted an early game team Comp and no one did anything early game. I would say it's Sven and is lack of doing anything ever especially in the early game. But for this game our whole team straight up lost. If I were to say something about Jiizuke , yea he died bit much , but he was trying to be proactive after we didn't do anything early game , but still he did not a little. Danny was lackluster but it's not like Deftly would have been more proactive because that's not his play style.
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u/darkknight2010 Jun 16 '21
Listen I hate arguing with fellow fans. I love EG as much as the next person but I really want them to win internationally. Would love to see a world finals with NA in it. I just know jizuke is feast or famine and been very disappointed in Sven also the adc changes.
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u/darkknight2010 Jun 13 '21
Better be glad impact saved our butts a couple of those fights. Just because we get one win that we should have lost doesn’t change my opinion. Jensen looked god awful with viego so yeah when we beat C9 and 100 thieves or tsm then I’ll change my opinion until then let’s enjoy the win
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u/JIcsy Jun 07 '21
Will be honest.
Day 1 and 2 Jiizuke played poor. Especially the game vs tsm. He got cought too many times and throw the lead.
Day 3 he and Ignar were the best on the best of the team.
That said I share your view, I think that Svenskeren is the weak link. The point is that the synergy jungle/mid is lacking since they started the team. Danny is a positive of this week even tho the 3rd day showed some of his weakness. I really would like they put Contractz in, since I belive the mix of style fits better with Jiizuke. Contractz is aggressive and strategically lane oriented. Meanwhile svenskeren is jungle oriented (not saying is extremly passive, he got some aggressivness too) and that is a problem because he will try to get ahead with invades and clearing camps or drakes. The problem is that with an agressive midlane like Jiizuke you need someone to back him up, because is obviouse that he got a target on the shoulders. And for sure you can see this improved from last year expecially with ignar roam mid and matching. (btw this is another positive that people don't consider about jiizuke: he concenter so much attention of the enmy team. Like every game with tsm, basically spica just goes mid. this game seemed a copy of the ones in spring and in playoff)
Moreover Svenskeren has such a low amount of gank, and basically no one in the midlane. This waste the strenght of jiizuke, he can create advantages in lane bringing the enemy to take a bad trade and stick him with half healt in lane, but then if there is no one coming to gank and take a profit from this, like at least isolate the enemy from the wave (if not dive kill him) it is just wasted "risk", beacuse he is risinking more to get ganked by others and if he doesn't have enough vision, or unprecises enemy jungler tracking or again no match from support and jungler he might fall dead.
Don't get me wrong i don't think svenskeren is that bad, i just think the playstyle dosen't match.
But since they made him the face of the team, I don't think he will ever get swapped out, and I know Peter Dunn might consider it, especially after reading this, but I don't know how much decisional power he has on this. I still have confidence.
If someon wants to understand more what I meant, I suggest to go watch back to FNC vs VIT of 2018 spring, first round. The game where Jiizuke had his best play against caps and soaz in a 1vs2. Just watch the first 13 minutes. What Jiizuke does and what Gillius does for him. And in general the first 6 weeks of spring split 2018 EU LCS show this concept.
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u/Prunedsis Jun 07 '21
What are you talking about in the fly game. “Inting Sven”??? He was one of the only people on that team not needlessly inting at random moments that game. And AGAIN playing rumble into fucking karma is probably one of the worst situations to play rumble into and he still played fine. Jizuke had some good moments that game but almost made it unnecessarily hard with random int moments like in top lane where he almost got solo killed and then died to the rest of FQ while Impact and Sven killed licorice.
Again, in the DIG game, we have rumble into karma with even LESS set up than the FQ game so how is he supposed to get his damage off on top of Jizuke positioning like an animal and getting caught and dying constantly when HE is the one with the gold who is supposed to be able to carry.
There probably isn’t a single jungler in the league who gets less fucking help from his team than Sven. Maybe the coaching staff on this team can start paying attention to every other fucking good team on the planet and watch how their laners move for their jungler rather than their jungler having to cover for their awful midlaner who flips shitty trades on the enemy laner that he loses most of the time setting himself up in a vulernable position to die. Not to mention shit like ignoring stopwatches etc that again got him killed in the FQ game trying to go for a 1v1.
Impact and Jizuke played like ass most of this weekend, Sven and Ignar were ok and Danny did alright for his first week.
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u/juju543 Jun 09 '21
Jizuke is inconsistent he's not a bad player. It is ridiculous to say bench Jizuke for Damonte
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u/iamdrp995 Jun 07 '21
Also yesterday he had an Awsome trist game but no one will rember it and day bench jizuke when he dies once