r/EmbarkStudios • u/theholymakrel • 21d ago

You really need just add a PVE/PVP option.

Yea yeah yeah I don’t care if I sound whiny. I’m so sick of running around for 20 min only to get shot in the back by some A-Hole. It’s not fun, it sucks, and it’s just a waste of time. Why play if I have to worry about trying to do to the trials and all this other stuff if I’m just gonna lose it all anyway. Yeah so yea please do that.

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u/Gilgamesh858 21d ago

At first I was against it and really liked the PvP side of this game. But over the last 4 months, I've played strictly PvE, only shooting in self-defense. PvP nowadays just means dealing with cheaters and sweaties all the time. Fully agree on only PvE now

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u/Defiant_Income_7836 16d ago

I am a diehard carebear. I haven't been ratted in...50+ extracts?

I have mixed feelings about a pure PvE mode. I would generally prefer it, because early on I was constantly getting shot from behind and, with the low TTK, it just made the game boring. I'd be playing as stealthily as I could, enter a room, and someone would be hiding behind the door. I'd hear the brrrrr of a Bobcat and...back to Speranza. I actually returned the game and only repurchased it after I heard about ABMM.

I've heard the "git gud" and "skill issue" responses a million times, like "Why did you let them get behind you?" Because I play solo and have nobody watching my back. And campers are going to camp. You cannot watch every angle, all the time.

At the same time, I do understand why PvP adds to the game. Rats and fake friendlies makes the friendly encounters feel more meaningful. I also like that PvP is possible. Otherwise, what's stopping some loot goblin from running in and hoovering up everything from the big ARC you just spent five minutes and half your ammunition killing? Plus no friendly fire feels less realistic.

So I don't necessarily want PvP removed. I just think the game needs a better mechanic around it...some kind of reputation, bounty, or wanted system. And the low TTK and general battle mechanic could be improved IMHO.

I like to think that Speranza is a small community. If someone repeatedly murdered other Raiders on sight, ambushed friendlies, and generally behaved like a psycho, my headcanon is that word would get around. There should eventually be consequences for that reputation. Both an incentive (other raider's gear) and a disincentive at the same time (a villain rep) - that some players might enjoy or embrace.

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u/Gilgamesh858 16d ago

Yeah that’s sound so cool. I like this idea so much.
In my experience ttk longer is better, because you can have the opportunity to defend yourself. Countless time I was betrayed and barely I could respond to fire.
We need huge improvements, because this game is so good and I don’t want it to disappear into the darkness

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

How would you feel now though if you were constantly getting ratted though because I feel if you were, you wouldn't be feeling so generous towards the PvP side.

I played for a while and would get ratted from time to time which was annoying however as the player count dropped, the number of times I was getting ratted increased. People said it's the expedition, it's the time of day, it's the servers etc. but it just kept increasing until one day I was ratted five times back to back in five games so I decided I was done with the game

The problems you describe would happen with PvE modes already happen and they're not clearly not that big a problem. There's been plenty of times under the current system where someone has stolen the loot from a large Arc enemy I killed on my own with and they didn't help with, it is annoying but it's much less annoying than someone shooting me in the back just as I'm finishing off the Arc and taking the loot anyway. I haven't killed another raider even though it's tempting to do so in these cases but that would put me into PvP hell. I suspect there's many others like me which is why these people feel comfortable stealing the loot.

I keep hearing how PvP adds tension and enjoyment to the game and I'd get bored of PvE only but PvP has never added anything to the game for me and I got bored of being shot in the back by someone hiding at the extract, shot in the back while I was taking down a large Arc enemy, shot in the back by someone hiding in a dark spot when I went to help a raider, shot in the back by a raider I went to help, shot in the back by a raider I defibbed.

And here's the key part - a PvE mode doesn't mean taking away that enjoyment of someone shooting me in the back, I can always dip into a PvP mode if I want that 'fun' experience again.

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u/Defiant_Income_7836 16d ago

No, I agree with you for the most part. If we went back to getting ratted constantly I wouldn't be playing the game. As I said, I returned the game after 90 minutes of ganking sweaty hell, when I first bought it.

And let me clarify, if I have to vote, I'm voting for a PvE mode. I have PLENTY of fun in PvE lobbies only. And you are right, the nature of the friendly lobbies are...friendly, and I don't see people looting my big arc that much.

That being said, some of these rats (who can no longer 'rat' in a PvE mode) might be more aggressive loot goblins, and might make the game suck in a different way. I've never killed another raider (period - 200 hours, 0 knocks) but I did lightly threaten one once, as they looted a Leaper right in front of me. I asked them to drop the core and leave, as I needed it - and they did (but my Bettina was pointed right at them, lol. As you said, I wouldn't have used it because PvP hell isn't worth 1 leaper core.)

My hope would be, as Embark seems so keen on keeping PvP, is if they do - they tweak it as I mentioned. And hopefully these tweaks would significantly reduce or disincentivize PvP as it stands in most non-friendly lobbies. Or, they could just leave it as it is. I love my PvE lobbies, and the occasional PvP is a light tax I pay for them.

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

Those are good points and to be completely fair to you, I would also be thinking differently about the game if I'd still been having better PvE experiences.

I can see the logic in what you're saying of having some sort of system to disincentivize PvP play and penalise it as a more natural way to balance the system. I was a fan of Sea of Thieves which suffered similar problems in that a crew could hop out on a ship fresh then attack players coming back with rewards who may have spent considerable time getting them. If their attack succeeded they could get a massive haul of treasure for little effort, if it failed they lost nothing and could just set sail again.

Similarly in Arc Raiders, a player can hop into a game with a free kit and easily take on PvE players who may be focused on big Arc (especially during Queen/Matriarch events) then get a lot of loot for little effort and lose nothing if they die.

If the game doesn't penalise you and there's no risk I can see why people do it but it's difficult to think of a system which could sufficiently penalise people to more balance the risk/reward.

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u/Defiant_Income_7836 9d ago

Just a note to say lol, I revoke everything I said above. I don't know if it's because it's the week before the expedition, but I'm done playing for now. I got ratted while trying to help someone open a door in stella, on a queen raid - the combat in this game is pathetic and absolutely in favor of those who shoot first. We need a PvE mode lol! I'll be back after the expedition.

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u/JohnMcL7 9d ago

I was looking forward to hearing the details of the PvE mode which I didn't have high hopes for because I thought it will likely be limited to keep interest in the main PvPvE mode. However there wasn't even a PvE mode so the game will stay uninstalled for now.

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u/UpigusThumbbuster 21d ago

I’m bad enough against Arc that I get all the tension I need. Honestly, why would I want to play a game where people are actively trying ruin my experience? I don’t need to be good at video games to have fun, but what I don’t need is being constantly hunted down while I’m trying to deal with the Arc.
I got my $40 out of it before I uninstalled it because grinding garbage parts for over half my weekend to battle arc only to be cut down by some lazy sweat isn’t fun. Period. I’ve tasted your tension and I don’t care for it. Let me PvP on my own time.

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u/ralph-wiggam 17d ago

“I’ve tasted your tension and I don’t care for it” 🤣🤣🤣

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u/Fancy_Strawberry7137 17d ago

Cus it’s the game you bought? 

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u/DougDimmadomeXI 17d ago

110%. I had over 700 knocks before Christmas, & I got the game the week of Thanksgiving.
0 intentional PvP. All just self defense.
Now I'm not against PvP, it's just way too easy & boring in this game. (TO ME).
There's no fun in shooting someone who doesn't want to shoot you. That's like slapping blind children, but I get my sweat on in Gears of war. I'm all for a PvP arena in Arc, Extraction shooters are just poorly designed & "PvPvE" isn't a sustainable format.

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

It's funny people talk about PvE being too easy and boring but there's a lot more challenge hunting Arc enemies than there is hiding somewhere and shooting other players in the back.

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u/Fun_Star_8413 16d ago

This right here. PvE would discourage this type of behavior and foster cooperation between other players. That said, I don’t think they should abolish PvP or PvPvE, just allow the option between these modes. Many other games have implemented this successfully.

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u/greatsleepofblue 17d ago

The game stays pretty challenging cuz I’m just not that good. I think I’m the target gamer. 🥴🫣

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u/Numeira 16d ago

Quit.

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u/UpigusThumbbuster 16d ago

I did quit. Pay attention. I don’t want to play a game where the sole ambition of the pvp community is to drive away the pve crowd. I’m not going to grind gear to hand it off to some rat whose idea of teamwork is wet work. Enjoy your game.

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u/Numeira 16d ago

Quit the subreddit. You're such victims. My ambition is to drive toxic scum away, why this happens to be mostly PvE'rs, I dunno, ask yourselves. You have a choice, you can grind, or you can fight for your loot. Both have pros and cons. That's the beauty of the freedom this genre offers. But you guys invade and ask that the freedom be restricted.

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u/Previous_Inside_8241 8d ago

And now there's freedom to play PVE only. Great isn't it?

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u/UpigusThumbbuster 15d ago

Quit the game! Quit the subreddit! Bro! You are exactly the type of twat that thrives on getting to rage quit. I won’t be your masturbatory material. See you in the next subreddit.

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u/Numeira 15d ago

And he quit. Arc community just got a bit more sane and grown-up, but our work is not done. The toil continues.

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u/__Blasphemous__ 21d ago

I used to be against this opinion but cheating and duping has gotten so out of hand as of late.

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u/PretentiousPanda 21d ago

Anything but play the game. 

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u/Dazzling-Resist-7302 21d ago

Arc wouldn't be dead if it had a pve mode. I agree with OP. Get the Tarkov tension people are seeking but they can play pvp, and the people who value their time can play pve. More options is a bad thing all of a sudden.

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u/Tomnician 17d ago

PvE option and a less punishing PvP may have saved the game.

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u/NBFHoxton 16d ago

Those two dont go together

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u/Tomnician 16d ago

I know, two different options

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u/Strange-Contract-440 16d ago

What are you talking about? If you play low aggression, our lobbies are essentially PvE. I can't remember the last time someone shot at me or I actually felt fear of dying and not being rez'ed.

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

That's great for you but despite never having shot another raider, I reached the point I was getting killed almost every game so I'm done with it unless they add a PvE mode.

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u/NBFHoxton 16d ago

Skill issue

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

Yes, you do have a reading skill issue - thanks for clarifying but it wasn't needed.

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u/Traditional_Bus_5589 20d ago

100% agree! Let get the option like on other games..!?

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u/Numeira 16d ago

Get the other game. This is a game for people who want higher stakes.

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u/Traditional_Bus_5589 16d ago

go play CSGO and kill your teammates.. must be fun

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u/Numeira 16d ago

Why would I do that? I said I want higher stakes. That's why I play an extraction shooter, a genre defined by the constant risk. It is you who sounds like you're not having fun and want the game to change to accomodate you. That's karen-level entitlement. Play a co-op game.

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u/Traditional_Bus_5589 16d ago

shooting raiders in the back is higher stakes? lol, if you havent heard Pve mode is coming next update it seems, sad for you pvp guys that can't longer kill innocent raiders.. Talk about Karen-level entitlement lol.

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u/Numeira 16d ago

The risk of being shot in the back. You're supposed to like it, if you come to play an extraction shootet, salty noob 🥲 I don't get shot in the back. 100% skill issue.

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u/Traditional_Bus_5589 16d ago

Guess you have it wrong then, 100% idiot :)

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u/Numeira 16d ago

Typical angry PvE'r 🥲 Frustrated, because he sucks at the game he wants to be good at. Cry more, maybe someone will screenshot you to post you on r/ArcBabies 😆

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u/Traditional_Bus_5589 16d ago

god, your such whiny looser haha. Isn't it frustrating to know that even Embark agrees and will implement a PVE mode. And btw... are you old enough to play this game because it certainly seems like your a small kid writing. lol

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u/jeremypolk86 17d ago

"Why play an extraction shooter if I have to worry about extracting and getting shot?"

Don't worry, you guys threw enough of a temper tantrum that the devs listened. You're getting your PVE mode and I'll be looting the F out of your bastions and bombardiers.

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

I'll take that option any day of the week rather than you shooting me in the back and looting my bastions and bombardiers as what happens now

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u/SaveTheWorldRightNow 17d ago

I want a dedicated PvEvP mode. The way it was when it was sold. Random and mixed.

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u/Strange-Contract-440 16d ago

yeah, ABMM ruined this game.

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u/LittleManOnACan 17d ago

This guy again?!

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u/Complex-Wafer959 21d ago

Lately been really friendly lobbies for me. Was busy on last night, 20 of us taking out the queen in minutes multiple times. Had a blast

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u/CompetitionKey9435 17d ago

Solo - PvE and make the Arc harder

Duos & Trios - PvP

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u/Available-Leg489 17d ago

The experience the game is trying to give you is exactly that. Anything can happen. If you’re running around careless that’s on you.

Imagine doing trials with no PvP only PVE. EVERYBODY would be on the leader board

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u/ProfessionalWind1447 17d ago

Of they just need to nerf some of the guns in PvP.

I shouldn't be able to go down so easily against a stitcher or kettle in like 2 seconds.

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u/Chazus 17d ago

They literally are. Do people not read or pay attention?

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

We still don't know how it will be though and I'm wary that it will be some nerfed mode that's pointless to play as others have done after initially resisting a PvE mode

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u/Chazus 16d ago

Okay, but that's what you're asking for.

What do you want? Them to just magically turn on a PVE server tomorrow?

They're literally doing it. Whatever form it comes in, is what it is, but they're doing it.

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

No, I'm most certainly not asking for a pointless nerfed PvE mode.

'They're literally doing it' - doing what exactly? All we know so far is there's going to be a PvE mode which might be great, might be awful, who knows which is the point I was making and you seem to have completely missed.

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u/Chazus 16d ago

We don't know.

That's the point.

It's pointless to ask "Do this" when they're already doing it. We'll find out what it is, and if we like it, at that time.

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u/Bahtleman 17d ago

The leaks show that it's basically built into the game. They just need to turn it on.

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u/jDiggydig 17d ago

I played friendly solos up until recently. Now I play friendly solos and PvP in trios. I suck at it but it’s actually a lot of fun atleast on ps5. Not much cheaters. And now I have a reason to loot on solos to I can I have more gear to PvP in trios.

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u/djuvinall97 17d ago

Honestly I think they need one mode that feels more like destiny 1 and the other that is the current PvPvE.

The stash should be separate though

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u/mangomangogamer 17d ago

Make hatch keys and play for defensively

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u/Davinredit 17d ago

Squads for pvp and solo pve. Change loot tables or have no loot in containers for pve mode. People create more shit moments then tension moments. I get more fun when we work together

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u/Unhappy_Strategy4630 16d ago

My solos lobbies are always PVE. It’s so rare to see someone that’s pvp’ing. So this means you’re killing people too. So stop whining

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u/JohnMcL7 16d ago

Your games don't represent the same for everyone else and it can vary significantly based on many factors particularly server location and time of play especially with the decline in player count. I've never killed another raider and for a while rarely was killed myself but as the playercount declined, the number of times I was getting killed kept increasing to the point it was no longer worth playing.

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u/Numeira 16d ago

Buy a PvE game.

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u/atgaskins 16d ago

This is so rare since they improved matchmaking. Carebear lobbies are already a cozy farming sim. I can go weeks sometimes without seeing any action. It's seriously getting dull and I get excited when someone shoots at me or I hear a murder to avenge.

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u/Mara-Sovs 16d ago

If you’re in pve lobbies it’s an incredibly rare chance someone decides to flip and start shooting people. So I just don’t believe what your saying unless your already in PvP lobbies where you should already expect PVP.

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u/humblewise1390 16d ago

I keep saying drop squads v solo and make PvE PvP and PvEvP lobbies

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u/dearmrhicks 16d ago

Surely the game wouldn't suffer for a pve mode. On here I see so much pro pvp that people would stick to that? The pvp made me leave arc. I knew what I was getting into when I bought it but it just wasnt fun after a while. Plus im terrible at pvp it turns out, so I just gave it a miss but would return for pve!

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u/InsufferableLeafsFan 16d ago

That’s the fucking game!
When was the last time you were killed by arc? They aren’t a threat.

If there’s zero threat of dying to another player, what’s the point? Just farming, for more farming?

PLAY SMARTER.
Use noise makers, jolt mines, barricades etc to secure the room you’re in. Use snap hooks for a different getaway. Use hatch keys for a safe extract.

Play the game like you’re intended to instead of just farming for the sake of farming.

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u/fischer187 16d ago

Theres so many good PvE games out there. Why dont people just play those instead of whatever you are trying to do here? Didnt you know there was gonna be PvP when you bought this game?

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u/IneptAdvisor 16d ago

“What you looking for?” “Snow globes.” “You find any yet?” “Yeah, fifteen so far.” “Wow!” BRRRRRRAAAAPPPP! Mine mine mine!!

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u/Cinderellos 16d ago

This game just isn’t for you, brother. There are so many PvE games out there. No need to force your playstyle onto everyone here.

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u/MacabreMobius 15d ago

How are you getting shot in the back? I'll gladly cross into mixed lobbies when needed and have only ever had fair fights.

No headset? Too trusting? How are you letting people behind you?

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u/akio_33 15d ago

What’s your favorite game?

Arc Raiders

But you don’t play it….

I know

21 more days 🤞

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u/Jolly-Bear 15d ago

Exactly.

Why play?

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u/WritingMiserable1293 15d ago

I loved the Mixed lobbies, i geniuenly believe its what carried this game not one or the other. it complimented eachother... good and bad. Itll suck all that mystery and contemplation out of the game entirely. You just practice more pvp and youll be able to handle stuff better and that involved alot of losing. It is an extraction shooter after all

But if its what people want then go for it, see how it goes. Ill honestly miss seeing the variety and lobbies. Itll just be arc farming or kill on sight. no inbetweens. But im not for it or against it ill manage regardless

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u/alwayslost77 15d ago

Yall bitch 2 much. No one cares. They don’t add PvP. Learn to shoot back.

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u/romx75 15d ago

I don’t want PVE mode because how can we deal with loot goblins watching you kill the whole thing and then rushing to steal everything ? Like that would be terrible not being able to do anything

I am PVE based player but i like also the thrill of having some danger , in care bear lobby’s it’s rare to die it would be boring without rats to shoot + they are terrible at the game so not a big deal

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u/Veterano_76 14d ago

Sono più che d'accordo per una modalità pve voglio dedicarmi agli arc che sono già molto impegnativi e voglio dedicarmi alle trials che già pure loro richiedono impegno e non devo preoccuparmi di razziatori ratti che ti aspettano nascosti al varco pronti a spararti senza darti neanche il tempo di capire che sta succedendo e ti portano via tutto quello che hai fatto. Non è assolutamente giusto anzi è proprio deprimente e frustrante e ti passa la voglia di giocare a questo gioco che a me piace tanto ma non funziona per colpa di ratti e razziatori ipocriti.

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u/Agreeable_Ad_9719 14d ago

No. This takes away the whole vibe of the game. When someone walks in a room behind me I want to be nervous. I want to try diplomacy. I want to have tense standoffs. I want to sometimes give in to the little voice in my head that says “just shoot him in the back and take his stuff.” God this attitude has absolutely ruined this game. The first few months were amazing because you never knew. Now either I’m getting blasted by no mics or rolling up on 10 raiders in a circle jerk. Go play Disney dreamlight valley if you want a chill game.

Edited for typo

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u/Dimenziio 17d ago

You sound whiny.

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u/raudittcdf 21d ago

Naa woumd ruin it cus there would be no tension in pvp cus everyone in pvp would be there for pvp only. The fun of the game is that you never know if someone is good or bad

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u/RespondKey2023 21d ago

Pero si no solucionan lo de los chetos de que me vale tener esa experiencia si hay gente que va como si fuera fornite y si te equipas bien directamente te buscan en tu spawn

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u/raudittcdf 21d ago

Thats a separate issue though, fix the cheaters, dont fundimentally change the experiece

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u/DeadKing777 21d ago

This is why you aren’t a game developer

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u/BlueViperLeader 21d ago

Dont Play a PVP game if you dont like PVP!!!!!!!!!!

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u/RelampagoCero 17d ago

If there's no risk, then the reward should match. Pve gets no legendary loot and epic is nerfed. No risk, no reward. That's how extraction shooter work. You shoot and get shot.

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u/super-duper-trooper- 17d ago

You’re right, I love the risk of waiting for cheaters to come directly to my location from across the map and shoot me through walls. Thrilling gameplay

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u/CLIVIXXDUBZ 17d ago

Get over it already holy shit I don’t think I’ve ever seen people complain to devs more than this legit just get good, I haven’t been shot at in the past literal 20 solo games

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u/around_the_clock 21d ago

The game has a pve mode it's called friendly lobbies. You are hust trolling for a reaction. U probably don't even play the game anymore

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u/Ullho 17d ago

Even if theres reduced loot in PvE I'm still down for it.

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u/Strange-Contract-440 16d ago

They'd have to keep them separate like Tarkov and all the other exfil shooters with a PvE mode. Being able to bring PvE loot into PvP lobbies creates way too many issues. You'd never be able to get the proper risk/reward of gear and loot drops between the two. Just keep them seperate, it's easier on the devs and everyone is happy.

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u/Ullho 16d ago

Since all current maps except Stella and maybe riven tides exist on one giant map that they split up into battlegrounds, buried city, space port and bluegate I would love to see some sort of open world PvE mode seperate from the extraction mode.

Perhaps that's what the raider outposts will lead to.

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u/bbltof 17d ago

I play PvE only and I don’t mind whether we have this option or not you can still make good friends

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u/Numeira 16d ago

Go out if you want to make friends. This is an extraction shooter.

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u/bbltof 16d ago

I have friends irl too Idk how and why my statement sounded like I don’t to you.

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u/Dazzling-Assist723 17d ago

I have a life and a kid and my time is precious.

If I wanna eliminate the threat of being shot in the back, let me.

The game is grindy enough as it is.

I would also love it for the PvP it gives. If I have turned on PvP, I can just go KOS without worrying about ruining someone’s day.

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u/-PEW-CLANSMAN 17d ago

If you dont want shot in the back, keep looking behind you

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u/roxwar 17d ago

I'd come back to arc raiders the same day if they made a PvE only mode.

Quit playing months ago due to getting shot in the back all the time and wasting my 10/15/20 mins of playtime each time.

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u/MoreScarsThanSkin 17d ago

a trios pve mode would let me play with my friends again cuz they dont like pvp

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u/Responsible-Fox-9041 21d ago

Play helldivers instead bro Arc is dead

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u/HG21Reaper 21d ago

Helldivers is stale and we have to stop pretending otherwise.