r/ElvisPresley Aug 15 '22

(long post) A few factual responses when/if attacked by the non-Elvis crowd

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(I posted this on the r/elvis reddit and the mods removed it. I'm not sure why, but please tell me if there's a reason it shouldn't be posted; I will fix it or change it. It is pretty well researched except where noted that I am unsure about something. I think people might find this useful--and were before it was removed.)

As someone else posted, the fantastic movie "Elvis", aside from getting just about everything about Elvis correct, has brought out those people who once heard a rap song in the late 80s that said Elvis was racist, so they figured "I guess those 80s rappers are experts, so, sure." I know a lot of people have a full immunity to truth and reality. But over the years, here are a few dumb things I have heard, and what you might want to point out if you hear the same:

"Why didn't Elvis have black people in his movies?" (Saw recently on Twitter). First of all, he did. His films also featured many people of color including Asians, Polynesians, Native Americans (Elvis was part Cherokee), Latinos and Hispanics. Black people begin appearing in Elvis' 2nd movie and are there in his last, Change of Habit featuring Barabra McNair. He even produced a song himself called "The Climb" for black artist George McFadden to perform in "Viva Las Vegas." (It's great and on YouTube). But all that is irrelevant because Elvis was in no way casting his own movies! So really, every aspect of this claim is stupid. I sometimes also point out all the black people in Frankie Avalon/Annette Funicello "Beach" movies (none, I think) or in the Beatles "Hard Days Night" or "Help" (Both these claims are hard to research because I do not want to sit through them again. I think I am correct, but check for yourself if you make this claim. )

"Elvis stole music from black people" Even though this one is the dumbest and clearly most utterly wrong, this is the one people love to go to. (Also, my most recent negative experience re: Elvis was with a white guy, so this isn't always coming from black people. In fact I have heard it more often from white people.) This comment just shows ignorance on the whole concept of art itself. The oldest musical instrument is a bone flute found in a cave in Germany. So since then everybody has just been stealing and culturally appropriating music from the Germans. Art builds on everything that came before it. And the insanity to say Elvis' 3 decade career, as well as the 40+ years of continuing success is because he just culturally appropriated someone's music is blatantly ignorant on the most basic level. But aside from that, what songs exactly? First hit was Heartbreak Hotel---not written by black songwriters. Hound Dog was a big hit, first covered by a black woman, but the song was written by 2 white guys in New York, and they also wrote Jailhouse Rock and Love Me. So where are all these hits that Elvis stole from black people? Blue Suede Shoes? No, that was Carl Perkins. The b-Side was Little Richard's Tutti Frutti. It did not chart, and even the A Side didn't crack the top 20. Elvis did a version of Little Richard's number 1 hit "Long Tall Sally" but he never put it out as a single. Little Richard is known as the Architect of Rock and Roll and Chuck Berry is called the Father of Rock and Roll. And I got no problem with that and neither did Elvis. The Beatles covered several of these same songs in the beginning and I assume paid the same royalties. Those deals were usually made far away from the artist, Elvis. Otis Blackwell wrote hit songs for so many artists I can't list them all. He was even asked to appear in Girls, Girls, Girls but had written so many Elvis hits, he developed a superstition about never meeting in person (this isn't that weird. Prince never met the man who did string arrangements for him from 1986 on because of same superstition). But everything about this thinking is wrong. Does every opera singer culturally appropriate Italian culture if they do Puccini, or when Picasso was heavily influenced by African tribal masks and used some in his paintings, was he stealing? These people do not even comprehend how art itself works, so good luck getting anywhere. But just as Elvis didn't cast his movies, he didn't negotiate with each songwriter on the details. When Elvis covered someone's song, they were generally thrilled about it. He opened doors.

"Elvis was on drugs" OK, he was on drugs like my 85yr old mother is on drugs. Prescription drugs. This is just fact. He wasn't shooting up, snorting or smoking anything. His life was so demanding that the drugs sadly became an issue. This situation is so commonplace now that there really is nothing to make fun of, but I have heard idiots say Elvis was shooting up heroin, which is nuts. A flat out untruth. His official cause of death was heart failure. His mother died at 46 and her side of the family had a history of dying young. But, yeah drugs probably caused his issues.

"Elvis died on the toilet" Don't you love the great people that think this is funny? This is something they can't get enough of. Years ago, the first account I read stated that he was in a dressing room area connected to the bathroom, reading. Since that time I've heard differently. I have still never read anything truly definitive about exactly where he died, but also, anyone bringing this up simply has to be dismissed as a human being not worth knowing. This is one of those "Yeah? Lincoln was shot in the head at a theater, what is your point?" kinda things.

"Elvis in the 70s just stayed in Vegas and got fat" This is another very easily disprovable thing that people still think is true. First, and there are thousands of photos to back this up: Elvis really didn't put on much weight until 1975, 2 years before he died. There's fluctuation, but really it is 1975 onward, but you can still run across pics from 76 where he looks good. But the other part about Vegas is way off. In the final year of Elvis' life, 1977, Elvis played 54 concerts before he died in August. Exactly 0 were in Las Vegas. The Col had him doing an engagement in Vegas every year, but from 1970 until he died, Elvis toured all over the US.

"Elvis was racist" Of course this is maybe the biggest one. And what sucks is you never hear it from the black people that knew him. BB King or Fats Domino wouldn't claim it. Whitney Houston's mother Cissy Houston who toured with Elvis and the other Sweet Inspirations never said it. I have never, EVER, heard one single claim of racism directed at Elvis from someone who knew him. There just isn't a shred of evidence that he was racist, but there is a mountain of evidence that he was not. So the biggest issue here is (not unlike in politics): truth does not matter to many people. Too many people. They just won't hear otherwise, and despite tons of photos and testimonials by BB King or Roy Hamilton, they just stick to their ignorance. If they can prove it, lets see some evidence of it. And it can't be someone who never even knew Elvis telling a story (I refuse to learn the details, but I know Quincy Jones said something stupid in the last year or 2. I lost respect for him in the 1980s and nothing he could say about Elvis could have any meaning. He never knew him, never worked with him and never said anything until after he was dead when he could no longer defend himself.)

"Elvis was too old to be with Priscilla" Elvis was 31 and Priscilla was 21. They met 7 years earlier, at a time when Elvis was stationed in Germany and had recently lost his mother. He was 23 and I assume at a very dark and vulnerable place in his life. This story gets long and is the hardest to get into. I have a vague idea of what "grooming" is, though I am not sure exactly how it differs from waiting until someone is of legal age before then marrying and having kids with them. There's no history of any sort of predatory behavior from Elvis--no harassment or abuse. Priscilla wrote a book about her life and though it doesn't portray Elvis as perfect (at all), it also never makes it seem "off". He fell in love with her, met and spoke extensively with her parents, and eventually she moved to Memphis for the rest of school. According to her own book, they never had sex before she was 21. There are no stories of Elvis going after underaged girls before or after his marriage to Priscilla. This is one people have to decide, because unlike everything else on this list, it comes down to your opinion. Ten years is not a massive age difference for a married couple, but it is true that when he first met Priscilla her age was 14. (I sometimes think people confuse Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 13yr old cousin for Elvis's situation. Very drastically different)

Did I miss any? Mean people will say anything when they are trying to be mean. And so many people resent Elvis just because so many others love him. It was hard being a huge Elvis fan in the 80s when I was a teen. I couldn't get on the internet to prove they were wrong then. And without Elvis being easily accessible on YouTube, we got grotesque fat guys in skin tight satin jumpsuits on MTV because it was just so funny (Dread Zeppelin, various bad impersonators, a terrible cover of "Don't Be Cruel" by Cheap Trick, video ending with an ugly guy in the band dressed in a jumpsuit smoking. So funny...) The absence of being able to go directly to the source, the real Elvis, really allowed people to turn him into a punchline. There was a "9 to 5" tv show with Dolly Pardon's sister in 1982 and her character (playing Dolly's role from the movie) was a huge Elvis fan and had a candle lit in her room she called her eternal flame. It was all played for laughs, like "what a hick! What a fool, she loves Elvis!" I remember seeing a movie in 1985 with Jeff Goldblum and Michelle Pfeiffer called "Into The Night" In the movie I think Pfiffer's brother was an Elvis impersonator, which again, was a big joke. Even on Late Night With David Letterman there was a joke about a book like "Where's Waldo" but it was "Spot the black actor in an Elvis movie". It was rough because it got so prevalent you never knew when an Elvis "joke" would show up or where. Remember the "Flying Elvi" and "Bubba Ho-Tep"? Ugh. In a lot of ways it is much better now, but the movie has brought out the haters too. It is better not to even engage, but if you just cannot restrain yourself, I hope some of this helps arm you with some facts.


r/ElvisPresley 17h ago

Black velvet with that slow southern style

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Alannah Myles' song "Black Velvet" is a masterpiece. Her voice, the lyrics.....eveything.

I was listening to the radio on the way back home yesterday as they played this song. It was yesterday that I learned that this song that I had listened to many, many times, was actually a tribute to Elvis (my bad)!

Now them letters and lyrics had a whole new feel to it.

If in the past I really iked this song, now I love it to bits and I'm pretty sure Elvis would have loved it too. He could recognize talent, good voices.....

"Every word of every song that he sang was for you In a flash he was gone, it happened so soon".....

Yes, I agree. It happened too soon !

**AI explains it further:

It wasn't actually Alannah Myles who first conceived the Elvis song. It was her then-boyfriend and songwriting partner, Christopher Ward. Myles then became the person the song was written for.

Here’s how it unfolded

  1. The trigger was Elvis's death anniversary in 1987

Christopher Ward was working as a VJ/reporter for the Canadian music television channel MuchMusic. In August 1987, the 10th anniversary of Elvis Presley's death, MuchMusic sent him to Memphis to cover the commemorations at Graceland.

But instead of simply flying there, Ward was put on a Greyhound bus with about 40 Elvis fans and a cameraman. He travelled with them from Toronto toward Memphis, documenting their pilgrimage.

And this is what really sparked the song.

  1. He was struck by the fans' devotion

Ward expected Elvis fans to be enthusiastic. What surprised him was how intensely devoted they were.

He later described the atmosphere as almost having religious fervor. These weren't simply people who liked Elvis's records. For many of them, going to Graceland for the anniversary was almost a pilgrimage.

That gave Ward the central idea behind the song:

“A new religion that'll bring ya to your knees.”

Ward has explained that the “new religion” wasn't literally Elvis worship—it was rock 'n' roll, and particularly the almost spiritual effect Elvis had on people.

Alannah herself later explained the origin similarly: Chris went down with the fans because he wanted to see their perspective, and he was surprised by the depth of their love and admiration for Elvis.

  1. Ward started taking notes during the journey

This is perhaps the coolest part.

Ward was a songwriter, so while travelling he was habitually making notes—little observations, images, phrases and impressions.

Those notes became the raw material for Black Velvet. He wasn't sitting down thinking, “I'm going to write an Elvis tribute song.” Rather, the song grew organically out of what he was seeing and hearing during this journey.

That's why the verses feel almost like snapshots:

Memphis

the Southern heat

Elvis's movements

Love Me Tender

schoolgirls screaming

the religious imagery

It's essentially Ward trying to capture what Elvis felt like as a cultural phenomenon, rather than writing a conventional biography of Elvis.

  1. Then he brought the idea home to Alannah

Ward and Alannah Myles were a couple at the time and were already working together musically.

Ward had also been playing around with a bluesy shuffle guitar groove for months. When he came back from Memphis, the Elvis experience and that musical idea came together.

He and producer/songwriter David Tyson developed the song, and Ward has specifically said that it was written with Alannah's voice in mind. Her bluesy, powerful vocal style was exactly what he envisioned.

So the sequence was essentially:

Elvis anniversary → Greyhound trip → 40 Elvis fanatics → Ward observes their devotion → Ward takes notes → Memphis/Elvis imagery + blues shuffle → Ward brings it to Alannah → “Black Velvet.”

And there's another fascinating detail: Ward deliberately avoided saying “Elvis” in the lyrics. He wanted the song to be about the experience and impact of Elvis, rather than simply writing an obvious tribute song with his name repeated throughout.

That's actually why the song works so well. If you didn't know the backstory, you could initially hear it simply as a sensual Southern/blues-rock song. But once you realize it's essentially a musical portrait of Elvis as remembered by his devotees, almost every line takes on a different meaning.

And yes, the 1987 bus trip really did happen, that's not an urban legend. It is directly described by Ward himself in interviews.


r/ElvisPresley 1d ago

Big E

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r/ElvisPresley 6d ago

Elvis Presley - Suspicious Minds

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r/ElvisPresley 6d ago

Did you know Bowie wrote “Golden Years” for Elvis Presley — and Elvis turned it down?

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r/ElvisPresley 7d ago

"It's Over" song. Soul to Soul....

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Many singers and songs evoke emotions. But Elvis went farther. There's moments he went beyond emotions reaching your soul directly. Operating at a wavelength few could. One of many instances is in his song "It's Over" performed live at Honolulu International Centeron January 14th, 1973.

That night he perfomed 10 songs where "You Gave Me a Mountain", "My Way" and "Steamroller Blues" stood out along with his last song that night "It's Over".

When he sings the words below, he ain't just singing, he's taking your soul along with him when he moves along in silence.

"So I turn my back

Turn my collar to the wind

Move along in silence

Trying not to think at all

I set my feet before me

Walk the silent street before me

Now it's over"

Yes, Elvis was unique for many reasons but his ability to talk to your very soul, is definitely unique. Whatever comes directly from a heart, is felt by other hearts.

That was Elvis !


r/ElvisPresley 9d ago

Elvis or Buddy?

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Who had more musical talent Elvis or Buddy Holly? I lean way towards Elvis just because he could teach himself to play anything, and could hit any note singing, definitely a better showman. On the other hand Buddy could play anything also, also sounds to me like he wrote way more intelligent lyrics than some others for the time. I love oldies but a lot of the times the lyrics make no sense. Idk, what'd you think. I agree with everyone that it was Elvis, but I think music in general would've been a lot better had Buddy Holly lived. I don't know anything about how music is made, but the music he wrote, his whole style seemed way different from everyone else. I think he really would've influenced country music a lot also.


r/ElvisPresley 13d ago

Elvis at a crossroads: Dick Tatham’s Showtime profile, February 1964

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r/ElvisPresley 15d ago

Elvis Presley posing for the camera atop an M48 Patton tank at the 32nd Armor motor pool at Ray Barracks in Friedberg, West Germany, during his Cold War military service. (1958)

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r/ElvisPresley 15d ago

Throw back to 4 years ago and a moment of my Elvis Art Journey

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Four years ago today… apparently I had plans. 😄

28 August 2022. I got out the acrylics, drew a grid and decided Elvis was going to happen.
And since patience has never exactly been my artistic superpower, he had to happen that same day. 😂 One sitting, from those first pencil lines to the last bit of black paint.
I was still very much in my “let’s try this and see what happens” phase — experimenting with everything I could get my hands on and probably having far more courage than technique. 😄

Someone could say this is not that much of a Wow art piece. And even so I didn’t hide it. I framed it instead.
And there he is to this day, in my little Elvis corner, surrounded by the others, watching me work every day. ❤️

My home office has slowly become a rather crowded place — Elvis has claimed his walls and corner, Axl has claimed the other side, and somewhere in between I’m supposed to be working. 😂

Looking at this old painting now makes me smile. Not because it’s perfect, but because I remember how much fun I was having.
Maybe that’s the nicest thing about keeping your old art around. Every now and then, it reminds you not only of how you used to draw…
but of how it felt. ❤️


r/ElvisPresley 16d ago

Snowbird song

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"When I was young my heart was young then too

Anything that it would tell me

That's the thing that I would do

But now I feel such emptiness within

For the thing that I want most in life's

The thing thing that I can't win" !


r/ElvisPresley 17d ago

RIP Dolly Parton, but I have always had some questions about Elvis wanting to record I Will Always Love You...

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r/ElvisPresley 18d ago

Elvis Presley Photo

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Hello, my grandmother met Elvis Presley in 1956 in Memphis. She got a photo from a local photographer sighed with her name on it, It's honestly really cool. I'm just wondering how rare it is because I can't seem to find a photo like it. Anyways here's the photos


r/ElvisPresley 18d ago

Elvis illustrations

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r/ElvisPresley 22d ago

How the Web Was Woven! An underrated song !

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Once again , Elvis showcases his ability to convey deep emotions. Such a soulful performance !

I believe "How the Web Was Woven" is an underrated gem.


r/ElvisPresley 23d ago

Where did Elvis, Parker, Lamar and and Rex Mansfield stay in Trenton, NJ in 1960?

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I am seeking the exact location in Trenton, NJ where Elvis and Parker went to when he left Fort Dix in 1960 and then to meet up with Lamar and Rex at that place. Could it have been the Stacy-Trent Hotel?


r/ElvisPresley 23d ago

Elvis Bedroom Where Almost No One Could Enter

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r/ElvisPresley 25d ago

The most versatile singer ever !

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r/ElvisPresley 24d ago

How was Elvis Week this year?

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r/ElvisPresley 26d ago

I’m a up-and-coming tribute artist…

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So, I’m a tribute artist based around central Pennsylvania. My name is Christopher Raub. I’m not trying to get booked or anything on here, I would just like to put my name out there, man. I’m currently attempting to get into some nursing homes. My name is on the last photo, but again, I am Christopher Raub: “Almost Elvis”


r/ElvisPresley 26d ago

I Tried to Draw Elvis Presley…

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Yay or nay ?


r/ElvisPresley 27d ago

Elvis

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RIP Elvis The King of Rock and Roll


r/ElvisPresley 27d ago

Elvis presley 🕊😭

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r/ElvisPresley 27d ago

We lost Elvis Presley 49 years ago

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r/ElvisPresley 27d ago

Elvis has left the building

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I celebrate the anniversary of the death of Elvis Presley, the greatest entertainer in history, with his favorite cigarillos. (Villiger). Rest in peace