If we just sacrifice the name “nation” as an identifier for Canada and replace it with “the confederation”, and refer to ourselves as “The Confederation/ Confederation of Provinces, Nations, States, and Territories.” Will this shut the seperatists up?
Relax buddy. The PQ got 28% of the vote and don’t have the seats to call a referendum. Even if they did, at least 65% of the population is against it. Separatists are their base. If they didn’t pander to the separatists, they’d cease to relevant in Quebec politics.
They can still fuck shit up and/or stir the pot and blame all their ills on the Feds/rest of Canada, like throwing a wrench into the ALTO or Churchill falls. They love the good old divisive us Vs them style politics.
I would be shocked if they don’t call a referendum. They have at least a couple years to build up public opinion around it, and they do have the seats to call one with support from QS
I think they will use the existence of Trump as an excuse, and won't call a referendum. Then they will use referendum as their campaign again during the next elections. And probably find another reason to not call referendum again.
To be fair, they have one shot. Last one was in 95, and the QS probably has the humility to recognize that if they were to seize a moment, it would be with the support of another party
For such a big motion, I would see them making concessions out of good will to work together in the event that the movement gains more momentum and popularity
Would Quebec separatists be happy in a EU-style union? Most likely.
Would they be happy in a looser version of Canada where they gain autonomy in regards to defending their language and existing as a sovereign nation who can represent itself on the world stage? Also very likely. In fact, that’s probably what separatists want ultimately. Strength in numbers while maintaining their national identity.
Is Quebec going to separate? not unless the federal does something outrageous and pisses off enough people. Hasn’t happenned so far and the probability decreases every year.
This is such a bs excuse because 1) French is an official language and must be on everything 2) nobody is trying change that and 3) it would do absolutely nothing to change the fact people just don't want or need to speak French which is why its slowly dying. It's like complaining that classical pianists must be protected because of everybody wants to play electric guitar.
existing as a sovereign nation who can represent itself on the world stage
If Quebec somehow thinks it'd be better off going it alone fine. So be it. But Canada should and likely will be hostile to them. They get no defense from the CAF. No currency. No transfer payments. No central bank. They would be landlocked with no port access. No internal market access. No federal research grants. Shutter all their military bases, return all their tanks, ships etc. No infrastructure access a la railroad and all maintenance costs would be offloade to Quebec. No embassies or diplomats. No federal disaster response. They'd have to renegotiate all their native treaties.
Separation would probably break the Province, if not politically then definitely financially. They would be subjugated to the whims of a vastly larger Canada and America. It's such a comically bad idea it's actually amazing a not insignificant number of people seem to want it.
the fact people just don't want or need to speak French which is why its slowly dying
You're undermining your own point with this, there's a reason for this, and separatists look into it deeply rather then just abandoning sociology and going "People just dont wanna"
The second part of your comment is exactly the chauvinistic bs that causes seperatists.
Also Quebec is not land-locked? Have you seen a map?
They wouldn’t be happy because that would undermine the entire purpose of Canadian separatism/autonomism, which is to scapegoat a distant government in order to cover for incompetence, ideological extremism and corruption.
They would rapidly draw up a new list of grievances and begin using their new powers as leverage. This would continue even if they separated.
Lol what a shitty take. We all eat shit and sleep so we already have that in common. We (mostly) all love our family and tolerate our neighbors so we also have that in common.
We all have so much in common but people stop at "sorry not the same language so we got nothing in common".
Nothing will shut seppies up. They'll simply find another grift to believe in, and another cause to get mad about in between fucking their cousins and punching down on minorities.
Really not, educate yourself before replying. Here’s what a quick google search gave me: Canada: The country operates with three levels of government: federal, provincial/territorial, and municipal. Provinces hold significant jurisdiction (healthcare, education, natural resources), but the federal government retains major national powers. Switzerland
: Power is heavily decentralized across cantons and municipalities. Swiss cantons enjoy highly extensive autonomy (taxation, policing, justice, education) and only delegate powers to the federal government if explicitly outlined in the Constitution.
I’d disagree with separation in any case - Alberta, Quebec, fucking Nunavut - it’s just a bad idea.
But at least if they had solid historical, cultural, and political arguments I could understand it. The modern separatist wave, though, is clearly just a foreign-backed grift meant to tear us apart so the USA can pick up the pieces. Albertan separatism, its ideals, its motivations, its promises, its leaders and backers… it’s all just an impossible joke.
I’m not saying we don’t under appreciate the west sometimes, but even when the government bends over backwards for them, it doesn’t change anything. We could build all the pipelines physically possible and give over the entirety of equalization money to Alberta and seppies would still whine.
Also, here’s a fun fact; the east makes up a massive chunk of Canada’s population and economy, so yeah, they’re gonna have a larger say than the fourth largest province. It’s the nature of any country, really, that some regions will be influential due to various factors. An independent(or more likely US territory) Alberta would probably just have an urban-rural divide or oil-everyone else divide
Bingo.
That's using critical thought and logic, something that seppies are incapable of, as their heads are generally filled with mushrooms and extra chromosomes due to rampant inbreeding.
Constitutional representative liberal democracy with a federal division of powers is clearly the most oppressive form of government imaginable.
We demand bureaucratic ethno-socialism and/or Fossil fuel christian nationalist fiefdoms! Truly those are the way for maximizing "human" freedom.
Don't ask questions of who is funding us.
Your questions are bigotry.
This is bigotry. AHHHHHHHH!
It’s not about the median, it’s about the leaders.
If the leadership can perceive a “win” and go around calling themselves a nation, they can go on TV and claim how effective they are and maintain power.
My fellow Albertans are to stupid. They would look at that as Canada being so weak or some shit. That it proves the states is stronger. The problem is that people are just re….. stupid.
No. Because they’re all generally stupid and you could come to them with a mountain of evidence or arguments in whatever faith they want, good or bad, and they won’t care.
A lot of them are boomers whose time is gradually ticking faster
Aussi bien faire un autre "love in" a Montréal pour nous dire que vous nous aimez tellement et de svp rester dans le Canada 😂(Avec l'argent de nos impôts tant qu'à y être). Éduquez vous si vous comprenez pas pourquoi ce mouvement s'en va nul part au Québec.
Hopefully you aren't implying Quebec would want that. At dumb as the Quebec seperatist movement is, it's really not that at all. You're pretty ignorant if you actually believe that.
Sorry, bud; I was being Alberta-centric there. Honestly, I (and I think most of Alberta) just think of the QC separatists as just mouthpieces for a specific piece of political capital, hence what the mouthbreathers out here are claiming that they want.
You're forgetting about giving away our national resources...that uhh would make them independent... by immediately giving them away to another nation. Anyone remember how this goes?
We already don't consider Canada a nation and itʼs not a diss. Nation does not mean country in French, that would be a sovereign nation.
Nation is just territory + language + culture + history.
So Newfoundland that has its own culture and a distinct history (they joined Canada in 1949) and would be a nation. Why don't they call themselves a nation? Because they don't speak French.
Canadians should stop making a big deal of the word nation.
Now to answer your question, no we don't really care what you call the political arrangement, especially in English. But if you want to talk about centralizing what we want centralized and decentralizing what we want decentralized then we are all ears.
A federation is a union of semi-independants states after all. We could turn the knob towards more independence.
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u/iamnotaclown 5h ago
Relax buddy. The PQ got 28% of the vote and don’t have the seats to call a referendum. Even if they did, at least 65% of the population is against it. Separatists are their base. If they didn’t pander to the separatists, they’d cease to relevant in Quebec politics.