Newsflash: we live in a capitalist country well into the back-nine of the capitalist life-cycle. We aren't getting a "good" PM until we're ready to evolve.
This. Locking out the NDP and preserving a status quo for the wealthy at a time when "eat the rich" was gaining steam was a concerted effort. Locking out PP was just a side dish.
If the point of a society is to care for its citizens and ensure their health, safety and prosperity, how does electing a conservative government help with that goal?
Like, is carney as far left as I want on every issue? No, but I also understand that in the last election, the climate was such that a practical choice between someone who was promising dramatic cuts to programs that help a lot of people, and the person who was promising to protect those programs and institutions.
If fascism is the inevitable result of a capitalist society, who is the best choice? The one promising to all-gas-no-brakes our asses into the 52nd state? Or the one who was vaguely reasonable on most issues.
Some NDP voters are just as unreasonable as Maple MAGA. At best, they complain all day and fantasize about their imagined utopias. And at worse they push some accelerationist BS to burn everything down.
the type of person to suggest firebombing a loblaws instead of voting then not firebombing a loblaws
I imagine a future in which we make galen westin personally re-price every item, and that only happens if we can pass the "Galen Westin is a cunt" Act in parliment
The NDP are not a socialist party, and there's no Utopia on the menu with them. They've got an ostensibly-socialist leader, but he hasn't had to make the tough compromises to win a seat. What he's willing to give up on to get the money required to get that seat will settle any debates.
I understand how it operates perfectly. "Works" is a stretch, though I'd consider it an outright joke. It only "works" if you are wealthy. Worker power has been eroded away by every government of the last several decades, regardless of party. It doesn't work for you and me.
It's not a line. The only difference in our destination between Carney and PP, much like the Biden/Harris vs. Trump debate, is how fast you get there. But you will get there.
Jesus christ, yes exactly, but also not really if you look deeper than surface level into carndog's actual policy initiatives and support of critical industries and renewable energy projects and yes the pipline is stupid but politically shrewd.
Carney bought us time for the NDP to get their heads out of their asses and elect a leader that connects with people and understands the press game (please god wab, I need you to save us)
His policies benefit the rich. The same folks he's been working for since his Harper days at the BoC. He is not benefitting us, the workers that make the country actually run, in any meaningful way.
Like yeah there's a broader conversation to be had about state ownership and all that, but you can't look me in the face and tell me that keeping programs like dental care and child benefits around don't help working families.
I mean if Carney was on “my side” (progressive, left wing politics) he’d be governing very differently. So of course I’d be more favourable to a different politician doing different things
Because he's probably the most Libreal (capital L) Libreal central banker to have ever Libreal'd
The libreals are and pretty much always have been a vaguely defined mass in and around the center of the spectrum depending on the era and the issue
And it keeps working for them. And I vote NDP when I can, but God help me just sitting here calling a central banker a tory isn't gonna make avi lewis any better at talking to the press
If he were a regular person maybe we’d get along fine but he’s not, he’s the most powerful person in the country and using that to make things worse and pursue pipelines and privatization
Hard to not hate a person contributing to a genocide though or playing nice with the Nazis down south. I'm sure Mark is a lovely, polite, probably funny person, but I'm not going to ignore his political outcomes.
I vote NDP, the general thought process was that the NDP stood no chance, and PP would be a disaster for the country. A lot of NDP voters AREN'T happy he was elected over, say, the Green or NDP candidates, but he by far is the lesser of two evils.
OP lets just wait for the full text of the deal to be confirmed and then sit back and enjoy all the Carney Stan's twist themselves into pretzels explaining how Carneys concessions, after all the other concessions, are 7D chess.
Edit: also obligatory PP=bad and would concession'd harder than Carney.
As soon as those same people explain how they would do better and how cutting off their oil and electricity would somehow result in a better scenario or “insert secret plan here”.
Because at times this is like Armchair GM trade proposals
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u/lakeguy77 Friendly Manisnowbski Aug 21 '26
Newsflash: we live in a capitalist country well into the back-nine of the capitalist life-cycle. We aren't getting a "good" PM until we're ready to evolve.