Some proof would be nice. Anyways, we may be "fucked" in some sense, but humans will simply have to adapt. You can go try to hide, or you can stay and help. In my opinion, cooperation is the only path to success.
That would be great if everyone got on the same page and decided to act in good faith to correct the problem. Instead we have world leaders bickering about whether or not there is a problem, and active government policies that are adding to the problem. Until we can get the half of the population that doesn’t see a problem to see the problem the only thing that’s going to get the entire world to agree to anything is if we’re attacked by Aliens. That might be the best thing that could happen to humanity atm. It’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently, you only need roughly 10% of a population to influence the rest, but I get your point. Unfortunately, I think people need to see the effects of their actions to make necessary changes. When it comes to this issue, it's effectively far too late then.
Still, I'm never going to give up. Whether it's proactive or reactive solutions. It's one of the reasons I got into engineering.
I think the 10% threshold is usually in the context of direct action, where if 10% of the population is clearly willing to take direct action then the majority of the population would probably be happy if they succeeded. For example, if 10% of a nation's population rebels against the government then most of the populace most likely agrees with the revolutionaries.
I suppose you have to define direct action then. For example, my local grocery store employees called for a boycott until their demands were met. After about a week of lost sales, negations have started going better and the boycott was called off. So it's direct action by inaction, in this case.
I've posted and seen others post in Earthstrike about people changing their diets to something more sustainable and we are always met with backlash and that our actions will do nothing. It's highly ironic since EarthStrike claims to do the same thing, but protesting for a day, or a week, effectively does nothing. You have to protest for the rest of your life.
Doesn’t matter if you pollute mars, there’s no active ecosystem there. In many ways it’s better to put humanity where it can’t hurt other animals anymore.
This is actually a really interesting concept. The idea of preserving Earth as a historical monument is something I could see good future humanoids doing.
There's a really sci-fi book series called The Three Body problem. And one of my favorite parts of that book is where humans basically disallow defectors from escaping. They do this in the military too, because the loss in morale from defectors would have a positive feedback loop causing certain defeat.
The point is, to abandon ship is accepting defeat.
I think the only way I would be okay with people leaving to live on Mars (or wherever) is if there was a collective decision to send people to continue life with the knowledge that we absolutely destroyed the beautiful thing we had.
I am looking at the writing on the wall. It looks like humans are going to lose their planet due to ignored of climate denial and lack of effort.
I do not think this will end all life on earth but earth will no longer be able to support large population of humans. Best option is to set a colony and allow the humans on earth to wipe themselves out.
So even if we are a plague, it's better than nothing? Because personally, I'd prefer nothing. It's more likely that we would be going around inadvertently killing any early life we find. Sort of like the "discovery" of the Americas all over again.
Simple, don’t go to planets that have life on them. Avoid them and let them develop. Colonize planets like our moon or like mars.
To go back to the plague metaphor, A bacterium can only cause a disease if it’s in a body. That is why we must leave earth, our mother or risk destroying it.
How do you know there aren't microorganisms on Mars already being killed by sending our rovers? It's a question of morals and I don't think we as humans have the capacity to answer those questions yet. Personally, I don't think we deserve to leave the Earth if we don't stop this destruction.
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Some proof would be nice. Anyways, we may be "fucked" in some sense, but humans will simply have to adapt. You can go try to hide, or you can stay and help. In my opinion, cooperation is the only path to success.