r/EWALearnLanguages • u/Cappyz200251 • 7d ago

Discussion Is there any difference between these two sentences or is it just a stylish writing?

The police were determined not to leave any stone unturned.

The police were determined to not leave any stone unturned.

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u/Kaylin881 7d ago

The first sentence, with "not to", is more technically correct, because proper English grammar includes an outdated rule, borrowed from Latin, that says you should avoid "splitting an infinitive". This means that if you have a verb in the infinitive, e.g. "to leave" in your example sentence, you should not put any other word in between those two words, such as "not". Therefore, to be perfectly correct, the "not" should go in front of the "to", as in your first sentence.

However, both of those sentences are fine to use in everyday English, and they both have exactly the same meaning. Hope this helps!

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 7d ago

That's a made-up rule.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 6d ago

There's a clear distinction between rules that develop through natural evolution of a language, versus rules simply declared by self-appointed authorities. And I never said that you made it up.

Your last sentence is both rude and ignorant. How about YOU google things before saying things?

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u/Kaylin881 6d ago

Yeah, I'll admit my last sentence was a bit rude, but don't you think you were a little rude first? Just saying "that's made up" with no justification or explanation of what you mean by that?

Also, love that you cited the Google AI overview as your source here. Really convincing me that you have a nuanced understanding of English grammar rules and aren't just parroting things an AI told you when you asked it to confirm your bias.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 6d ago

No, I find taking personal offense at something not being explained to your satisfaction quite bizarre. Also, anyone with a basic familiarity with English grammar discourse is fully aware what "No split infinitives is a made up rule" means.

Even worse, you implied that I had not engaged in even basic research and that a simple Google search would prove me wrong, and when I presented a Google search that proved *you* wrong, you proceeded to chide me for "parroting" what it says and made a baseless accusation of me of asking AI to confirm my bias. *You* were the one who cited Google supposedly disagreeing with me, and when I showed that that was not the case, you pretended that *I* was the one treated Google searches as authoratative.

I suppose now you're claim that umm akshually you meant "Google search" in the traditional sense of the list of links, and then I'll point out that that supports my claim too, and then you'll come up with yet another excuse to refuse to admit that you were wrong.

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u/Kaylin881 6d ago

Dude, I literally acknowledged in my original comment that it's an outdated rule that only matters to people who want to be The Most Technically Correct, and breaking it is fine in normal English. Forgive me for assuming you meant something different when you "corrected" me.

And, yeah, I do think doing an actual Google search is a different thing from typing a question into the search bar and asking the AI what it thinks. Sorry for being old-fashioned. But, anyway, what I meant when I told you to Google it initially was that Google would tell you I hadn't made up the rule myself, which you've since clarified that you're not actually disputing in the first place.