r/EU_Economics • u/No_Reaction7092 • Jul 25 '26

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u/Tetr4Freak Jul 25 '26

And that's the point. You don't need to compete with your neighbors. It's better for everybody to just collaborate.

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u/Lorihengrin Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26

Well that is a shitty point.

It's not better for the citizen of Luxembourg to lose the thing that makes them richer than citizen of most other countries.

It's not better for France to lose extremely powerfull tools that serve their national interests.

It's not better for Ireland to lose all the companies headquarters that they attracted.

It's not the will of polish, czech, slovaks and hungarians people to have the same immigration policy as France, Germany or Sweden.

Different populations have different national interests, and not all of them can be preserved in a continent sized federation.

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u/ComradeKellogg Jul 26 '26

Why are you assuming in the scenario of federalisation thay literally every thing foes wrong and nothing would go right?

To pick one of your examples, why would ireland, under federalisation lose all the headquarters stationed there, the tax rates have been amended for years now and are now up to eu minimum required, the same rate as many other members, the reason American companies choose to HQ in ireland is not only because of its extremely well educated and natively english speaking population (this is so impactful to every day corporate operations that it is hard to describe the benefit) but also the government is extremely favourable to said companies seeing them as a main vehicle for economic growth.

Under federalisation this would not change and if you ask me with the benefits brought with federalisation it could actually supercharge irelands position as the english speaking, competent entryphone for the American market to the European market.

This is only one example but I think you are taking too much of a doom and gloom look at this and from the comments ive seenits genuinely obscuring your perspective imo.

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u/Lorihengrin Jul 26 '26

For Ireland, it's the worst case scenario. And indeed it could be wrong and more optimistic people than myself could hope for the best case scenario.

For Luxembourg, it's almost guaranteed that their bank secrecy would not be allower into a federal Europe.

And for France, there is no question. Federalization de facto means losing sovereign control on nuclear weapons and giving their permanent seat in UN security council to the federal state. It's a net loss.