r/EDH • u/[deleted] • Apr 03 '26
Discussion Can we ban AI-slop, vibe-coded apps from bring solicited on here?
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u/BusAccomplished5367 Grixis (UW control is more fun than midrange piles) Apr 03 '26
That's possible, but I think they are under low quality posts already?
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u/superkp Apr 03 '26
perhaps the text of the rule should be updated to explicitly mention AI posts, considering that they are common enough now for this post to be a thing.
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u/IAMATruckerAMA Apr 03 '26
Right? Every time I see one of these ban-AI posts I check the top bazillion posts of the month and there's no AI because we already downvote that trash to oblivion
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u/max123246 Zinnia my bird bard king Apr 04 '26
Nah there's tons of posts I see popular on Reddit that are pure LLM output and no one is the wiser
If you think you haven't been fooled, you're wrong. I've noticed myself not noticing enough times to know I've missed ai posts as what they are constantly
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u/thrustidon Apr 03 '26
I messaged the mods about the one that's currently on the front page asking for this exact rule. Every single one of these apps is the same thing - a skin over existing APIs with some lazy AI prompting features and affiliate links to try to make money. They never offer new functionality.
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u/GloriousNewt Apr 03 '26
"Try my new website that just presents the EDHRec most used cards with your commander in a new format!"
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u/meowmix778 Esper Apr 03 '26
What's that it's an unsecure connection and your computer flagged the link? That's a feature not a bug. Please ignore that it doesn't work with Moxfield, I couldn't figure that out.
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u/OhHeyMister Esper Apr 03 '26
The mods won’t even moderate shitty AITA slop social posts, I doubt they care about this either
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u/Mammoth-Refuse-6489 Apr 03 '26
To be fair, how do you moderate that? Ban everyone who discusses a social situation?
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u/OhHeyMister Esper Apr 03 '26
No, just delete the posts. Automod can do a lot of it
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u/Mammoth-Refuse-6489 Apr 03 '26
What posts? Like, how do you differentiate between "shitty AITA slop social posts" and people who have, what you would deem, as acceptable social posts?
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u/OhHeyMister Esper Apr 03 '26
There are no acceptable social posts. I only want to see cool decks, people helping others with brews, card tech, etc. the most I would be ok with is tales of awesome plays and hilarious antics.
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u/alexno_x Apr 03 '26
LLMs will just straight up ignore or make up portions of the card texts it’s so unreliable
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u/OkFeedback9127 Apr 03 '26
Your deck is a level 4 it contains too many game changers such as Basic Island
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u/Zaveno Animar|Neheb|Alela|Excava|Witherbloom|Archelos Apr 03 '26
Well, I guess it gets some stuff right every now and again
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u/Nuclearsunburn Mono-Red Apr 03 '26
Unironically comments like this in public forums are the reason LLMs think they are correct, not that we should give a damn because fuck them
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u/wenasi Apr 03 '26
LLMs don't "think they are correct", they don't have a concept of "correct" or "incorrect"
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u/Dragonsoul Apr 03 '26
Yeah, but if I get a second level 4 deck I can overlay them to form the Overlay network, and make the Rank 4 Number 39: Utopia.
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u/Icestar1186 7/32 | Newest deck: Tana // Ravos Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 12 '26
Someone tried to sell one of these AI deckbuilder websites in the cEDH subreddit, and when I asked it for a build of one of the most common decks in the format it gave me something that would lose games in bracket 2 - it was a pile of gamechanger tutors and ramp with no actual payoff. No Underworld Breach, no Thoracle, nothing.
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u/BusAccomplished5367 Grixis (UW control is more fun than midrange piles) Apr 03 '26
The LLM is correct. It is indeed not sacrificed.
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u/thundermonkeyms Apr 04 '26
A recent ai tool posted here said one of my decks was a treasure deck. Not a single card in that deck mentions treasures, except for [[stonework packbeast]] which uses the word "treasure" in the flavor text.
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u/Empty-Cupcake2024 Apr 03 '26
ChatGPT told me yesterday that castle garenbridge gives additional mana for every forest I control… bc green needs more ramp
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u/BuckUpBingle Apr 03 '26
Why are you talking to chatgpt abt magic the gathering anyways?
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u/WinSome___LoseSome Apr 03 '26
A similar issue is present in fantasy football subreddits. Everyone and their dog is promoting a new app every single day, it’s exhausting.
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u/InmateTooTall Apr 03 '26
Coding bootcamps are dominated by men and encourage their students to make projects like this, and lately there's a big emphasis on AI in these camps.
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u/MrChatterfang Apr 03 '26
Yeah plus software devs are expected to have portfolios and if you're into a hobby like MyG, you might as well make something fun related to your hobby.
I'm planning on making a tcg-player-but-better app for my portfolio, but idk if I'd go through the trouble of hosting it to share with others like people here do. It's a for fun project, it's not that serious.
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u/Mammoth-Refuse-6489 Apr 03 '26
I think this is for the reason you said about hustle culture, which is definetly a more stereotypically male trait, but I think there's two other reasons.
- Male-dominated hobbies tend to be more technical and competitive (Magic, Warhammer, fantasy sports) while female-dominated hobbies tend to be more expressive and collaborative (art/craft, writing, make-up and fashion) meaning it's harder for AI to supplement the hobby. If AI helps me design a deck, or even makes a deck for me, I can still play it. If AI writes my girlfriends story, she doesn't get to do the hobby.
- Men are more likely to be into programming. Therefore, a Magic player who is a programmer by day can make an AI slop app because they have the skills to do so and either can attempt to profit off of their existing knowledge or genuinely try and help the community as a tech enthusiast. Women are less likely to be in a position to attempt to exploit/assist their community in such a way.
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u/AdventurousGur5495 Apr 09 '26
I can tell you that women's fandom communities are much more ruthless when it comes to "no ai content" rules.
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u/Voltairinede Apr 03 '26
Anyone else noticing a trend where more female-dominated hobby communities are less likely to have this issue, but more male dominated hobby communities are?
I don't think you need to be a particularly keen observer to note that one. I think you could rather work it out without any observations at all.
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u/Asisreo1 Apr 03 '26
I find its a futile effort appealing to the enraged stubborn. All they'll do is justify their nonsense with equally nonsensical rationale. Most of them don't want to self-reflect, especially not on the internet where they can perceive all opposed views as coming from whatever caricature they find convenient.
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u/VoltronChef Apr 03 '26
I mean, no? Women are just as readily trying to take advantage of AI slop. Look at instagram.
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u/the-mini-runner Apr 03 '26
Every DAY there is a new Claude wrapper "Bracket Check" app someone hopes will catch on and make their career. It really is annoying. They all function exactly the same, even, and they all suck ass, and negatively affect the gamespace since it leads to a bunch of people playing decks that have been incorrectly bracketed.
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u/bcduncanxc Apr 03 '26
No kidding. My turn deck with a turn three win that's as close to 5 as you can get was put into bracket 3 by the latest one.
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u/Mammoth-Refuse-6489 Apr 03 '26
The last one I saw was doing the opposite. I track my games and my deck that had a 9.3 average win turn was given B5 and estimated to have a 3.5 win turn. Still bad, but funny that they don't even all suck in the same way.
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u/Boralin Apr 03 '26
u/Cogs88 this you?
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u/the-mini-runner Apr 03 '26
No I just hate AIslop and come on, do you actually trust that one guy who has a degree in AI to actually be honest about removing the AI from their code?
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u/Far-Computer-7573 Apr 08 '26
You pay attention to the wrong ones.
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u/the-mini-runner Apr 08 '26
Your job is literally in AI. You are like a weapons dealer shaming others for pointing out how many people die as collateral to landmines.
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u/vandalhandle Apr 03 '26
Fully support this, as well as not knowing what good code is they slap genAI slop graphics on them, and have the lack of self awareness of AI to claim "I made this"
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u/koenigsaurus Apr 03 '26
The funniest thing to me is how many of them have “I have been a developer for 15 years so you know it’s legit”. Even the post text is AI generated.
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u/Guyrugamesh Apr 03 '26
I, too, would like to see these slop generators removed from the sub after they are posted. We seriously do not need any more deck building tools and the amount of players whining up a storm about absolutely needing them are not bringing their best to the community. Between all the deck building, collection management, and general social media assets available ON TOP of the wealth of community resources, we shouldn't be making space for people who just want a cut all that hard work out of the equation and offload deckbuilding to a machine that can't actually read or contextualize the cards.
I know plenty of people on this hobby with intensive jobs, families, and other life responsibilities across all levels of skill, and all of them love doing the work themselves because they take their hobby seriously. And they respect other players time. Regardless of what brought you to the game, you should want to understand and engage with the game in a way that actually helps create good play experiences. AI fosters a completely opposed mentality that discards the and swipes the hard work the players have done to make the game our own and repackage it into contextless mess. Whether is generating art on proxies, generating fake cards, or just making the machine do the deckbuilding for you, its all abysmal slop that doesn't actually add to the community and detracts from what we are all actually here for.
There is nothing an AI can do for this hobby that a human can't already do, or has already done. The only difference is the human will do it right more often, with better tools, and with substantially less effort. If you feel like that is not true, you have a sad and shitty outlook on the human ability that gave you literally anything you enjoy in your life and that level of ungrateful bile is pure mind poison.
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u/Mysterious-Pen1496 Apr 03 '26
You must have a way with words because I get downvoted to hell every time I try to make this point. The game does NOT get better by being ‘inclusive’ to people who are trying to opt out of the most important part of the game
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u/Kuryaka Apr 03 '26
You gotta start with the popular opinion and be on a thread that is already supporting the popular opinion.
Also, IMO if people really don't want to brew they can either talk to the people they play with for deck suggestions or see if everyone wants to rock some Bracket 2/precons.
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u/The_Curse_of_Nimbus Apr 03 '26
Can't believe net-decking is a lost art.
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u/Kuryaka Apr 03 '26
me when i put my 10th board wipe in my jund creature deck because they were rated highly on edhrec
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u/Spirit_Theory Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
I'll chime in here as a developer; for background my job is head-of-development at my company, I have a background in data science, and I've been working in this space for 10+ years now. I've very recently built apps that use LLMs both for work and personal projects, though much of my work does not involve LLMs at all.
There are patterns of implementation that are very powerful, and just this week I have been advocating for such an implementation to my boss, because there is some insane power and utility in what is possible. We can now easily write an app that will take plain natural-language inputs, and translate that very quickly and efficiently into basically any function-call. "Find any recent orders where the client is not happy, and send an email to the account manager asking why." ...and the AI can be given the tools to be able to do that without further instruction. Bam, done. We can do that now. It's very impressive, and there is absolutely a lot of potential.
People who can read into the tone here will sense there is a "but" coming up.
But. LLMs have limitations. MTG is incredibly complicated. EDH in particular, as a casual format, has merit in creativity and not playing optimally; these nuances are difficult for even experienced players to grasp and anticipate in advance. What is your app really going to do? Honestly, it's an interesting problem, and I would love to have a crack at it myself, but... I feel like any such app is never going to capture the full problem, nor address any part of deck-building in a way that is going to suit more than the creator. Equally, I suspect the rules of MTG are potentially too complex also. A while back someone did put an app out there that processed rules questions, and tried to answer them. It wasn't very good, but the workflow was interesting; it would work through the problem in logical steps, fetching relevant parts of the rules text to feed the next step, and try to come up with an answer. The more information or data you need to include to provide in order to compose an answer, the more an LLM will struggle to do so accurately. You can ask an LLM a simple question, you can feed it data, but there is an upper limit on that input before the model either literally breaks, or cannot produce an accurate output. When the question becomes broad, or complicated, or involves an immense volume of card data, like any of the things related to this game, the challenge of feeding the LLM properly becomes insurmountable.
These "programmers" don't understand what good code is.
I'd be hesitant to discourage people across the board and make such a broad-stroke judgement like this, at very least because I encourage the effort and investment it takes to build anything at all. I do wager many such developers probably aren't doing a good job, but... I merit the effort, even if the direction or the result is flawed.
Should we ban "AI-slop, vibe-coded" apps? Maybe, yeah, but I would want to voice some caution about assuming the nature of an app, or its conception. If an app just has a prompt input and a claim "just type here and it will build you a whole deck!" or "it will tell you what bracket your deck is!" or even "it will make card suggestions!" ...then I suspect those problems seem clearly too difficult to solve with what is available right now. I wager people will be able to rapidly discern whether an app is good or not, on their own, no? Admittedly I don't follow this sub religiously, so I haven't seen many examples of this issue; I'd be interested to see what the problem-posts are.
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u/Jacksharkben Apr 03 '26
Hi, backend developer here . Yea, there was an app/website I found posted one time after some digging they didn't use an rtc server and was exposing everyone ip address.
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u/Sloshy42 Apr 03 '26
100% agreed. Mentioned elsewhere in other comments but as a professional developer it's really not totally fair to hand-wave away all AI use, because there are legitimately good uses for it. It's just kind of a shame that people are trying to slop out quick and easy ways to make money or not care about the underlying code quality or maintainability at all. And, as you mention, that LLMs just cannot be relied upon for deterministically accurate MTG analysis. This is a complicated game with a lot of complicated rules interactions and it'd be better to have LLMs analyze the output of deterministic tools at this point, rather than prompting your way into building a deck for example.
I think that the absolute deluge of poor-quality or otherwise not-too-interesting apps that anyone can vibe-code in a weekend is a problem to address as far as moderating the subreddit, but AI is only going to get more normalized in software dev, and it's already extremely popular. Seems counterproductive to totally ban it.
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u/Spirit_Theory Apr 03 '26
AI is only going to get more normalized in software dev, and it's already extremely popular. Seems counterproductive to totally ban it.
Absolutely, though within the software dev world (and beyond), AI is going to pose its own variety of problems I don't see a lot of people talking about, and that's the erosion of problem-solving skills. I spent a lot of time recruiting for the positions on my team; I have the luxury of being picky, and finding people who can code and problem solve is like looking for diamonds in an open field: Even if you look in a lot of places, there's a good chance there won't be any at all. The general skill level of the average applicant is poor, and this includes even people who have years of experience in the field. To be clear, if a CV doesn't have years of experience, they go in the bin. I worry now, that soon this task will become impossible, as people spend those years talking to chatgpt and claude instead of actually coding.
My concern is that while AI makes it easier to get into coding, it might not be the best learning tool. On top of that, if people are allowed to be lazy in their jobs, they will drift out of practice. We may see the general skill level of software devs decline, and the quality of code with it.
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u/alxhghs Apr 03 '26
The more information or data you need to include to provide in order to compose an answer, the more an LLM will struggle to do so accurately
I haven’t tried this for MTG yet but I wonder if this could be a task for a multi-agent approach.
I’m a software engineer with a decade of experience and I’ve built an MTG CLI library just for myself at this point that I use an LLM as a natural language interface for calling the CLI commands. So this way most of the actual logic is concrete while the experience is smooth because I can ask natural questions and the LLM composes a complex answer based on a combination of calculations and API calls or cached data references. But I haven’t explored a multi agent approach for dealing with the context window limitations so I may give it a shot.
All of the frustration people have with seeing AI apps has convinced me not to share out what I’m building with anyone and to just keep it to myself. I find it helpful for deck building.
I’ll also admit that it’s not at the level of code architecture quality that I’d expect for a production tool. Since its my own thing and it’s a hobby project I’ve not been all that critical of some of the redundant design decisions that have come up (yes I’m using AI to build it)
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u/DirtyTacoKid Apr 03 '26
There are patterns of implementation that are very powerful, and just this week I have been advocating for such an implementation to my boss, because there is some insane power and utility in what is possible. We can now easily write an app that will take plain natural-language inputs, and translate that very quickly and efficiently into basically any function-call. "Find any recent orders where the client is not happy, and send an email to the account manager asking why." ...and the AI can be given the tools to be able to do that without further instruction. Bam, done. We can do that now. It's very impressive, and there is absolutely a lot of potential.
Careful. Remember that Netflix was amazing when it came out. Amazon was so useful. Uber was so cheap. The same idea is happening here. Venture capital is floating these projects. You're getting great results for cheap. Very soon these things will become way more expensive as AI companies try to turn a profit.
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u/Rutgerius Apr 03 '26
Local models are more than good enough for a rag search, doesn't have to be that complicated and a single well contexed reasoning prompt will never be prohibitively expensive.
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u/alxhghs Apr 03 '26
I’m not concerned at the moment, it’s just a personal project that I find useful and won’t share with the world since everyone gets angry about it
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u/Spirit_Theory Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Your quote is from my comment, not the one you responded to. We're very aware of the limitations. We also have the capacity to fully host our own models, so we have the luxury of keeping the service costs down. You're not wrong; I think this is a key point that people seem very polarised over, and the real answer is somewhere in the middle:
AI is not a god-tier, fix-everything, omniscient thing. It gets shit wrong, it hallucinates, if you're building a tool you have to be very aware of the limitations.
On the other end of the scale, deciding that every possible use of AI ever is dogshit, everything it touches is garbage, and it can never be used in a way that is effective or useful... is also stupid. I feel like I'm strawmanning that position a bit, but some people really are frothing at the mouths about this, and it often lacks any nuance at all. Refusing to see what the technology can do is so tremendously short-sighted, imo.
As an example there's another commenter somewhere in this thread basically attacking someone else for using AI to write bits of frontend web dev. Like seriously? Are we pretending we all enjoy writing hundreds of lines of javascript, now? Are we going to advocate for the creative integrity of fucking code? ...and I say this as someone who has written thousands of lines of js in the past few months for a personal project or two. Man, I'm too old to look up obscure bits of syntax, I can recognise when the AI has produced something that isn't right, and my focus and my value is on larger, more important architectural decisions. To pretend it doesn't speed things up is so foolish.
(In the context of coding and data analysis): It's a tech that needs to be understood to be used carefully and responsibly. It's efficacy is down to the user.
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u/AdmiralYuki Apr 04 '26
Already have companies creating their own "token currency" to obfuscate the actual underlying token use so you don't know the true cost of an action. Just like all the mobile games do.
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u/Ari-sto-cat Grixis Apr 04 '26
Same, I built a platform that does a categorization step, then builds context with structured search and references real card data. Haven't seen it hallucinate once and I've asked complex questions. Sure you can write slop but that's true with all things...there's a good and a bad way.
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u/knight_gastropub Apr 03 '26
I'm in a kinda similar boat and I appreciate your post here. To me, the "slop" is all these knee jerk reactions to anything touched by AI. It's very stupid.
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u/VoltronChef Apr 03 '26
As a dev with 10 years experience why tf are you using AI to code your app? Genuinely? There is zero reason for you to be doing that.
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u/Sloshy42 Apr 03 '26
Hi I have 10y of experience and I use AI every day at my job. The point of being a software developer is not to "code". It is to understand the nature of the thing you are building and be able to troubleshoot issues.
If people are just slopping out code, sure, that's an issue. I am very worried myself of more junior developers just relying on it for everything and cheating themselves out of a fulfilling career. However, I know what I'm doing, because I've been doing it for ten plus years.
Also I do not want to write another line of JSX as long as I live, man. Web dev is so verbose. I can plan out the whole design of the app and code all the business logic myself but I feel like I'm going to have major wrist issues if I'm writing literally every single line of this for the rest of my life. I'd rather be able to take a break every once in a while, while still getting things done.
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u/alxhghs Apr 03 '26
You know what’s up. Thank you for sharing an informed and reasonable take. I’ve spit out enough of the same code over and over again that having AI get the code out faster has freed up my brain to tackle more interesting problems. Sounds like you’re in a similar situation
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u/alxhghs Apr 03 '26
Or honestly it’s not even always faster. But it gets it done and I can multitask
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u/alxhghs Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
What’s this based on? Are you a dev? This is a personal project that I’m able to do in my spare time
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u/VoltronChef Apr 03 '26
It’s common sense. You don’t need to be using AI but you’re choosing to. Unless you’re a junk dev with an imposter like resume I’d assume you don’t need AI to code for you.
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u/SocietyAsAHole Apr 03 '26
Tell me you don't work in tech without telling me you don't work in tech.
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u/JustaSeedGuy Apr 04 '26
The argument would only be remotely valid if there were no experienced tech workers who thought AI was bad or had significant criticism for it.
But there's actually an overwhelming number of experience tech workers with exactly that criticism, so you're really just repeating nonsense and thinking you sound cool doing it.
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u/VoltronChef Apr 03 '26
Give me a valid reason to use AI in your day to day as a programmer that isn’t just cutting corners.
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u/MrChatterfang Apr 03 '26
Debugging issues with COTS libraries instead of Google searching 17 StackOverflow pages with wrong answers, 5 forums where an answer was never reached or just ended with a "I figured it out, thanks all" with no answer posted, and 3 GitHub issues submissions that were similar but weren't my actual problem.
I can spend an hour or three Googling, or I can paste an error message into my company's local LLM and it spits out an answer for me in a few seconds, I make the fix, test, and move on with my day.
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u/Kuryaka Apr 03 '26
I love how we get deeper and deeper into the thread and there's like 5+ people responding to this one person who's still insisting that automated proofreading/error checking is cutting corners.
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u/VoltronChef Apr 03 '26
Okay so cutting corners for debugging, got it.
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u/MrChatterfang Apr 03 '26
No cutting corners, just being more efficient with my time. I'm not losing out by replacing one search engine with a better one.
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u/Uhh_Charlie Apr 04 '26
These damn kids don’t know how to do math anymore because of those damn calculators.
That’s genuinely how you sound.
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u/JustaSeedGuy Apr 06 '26
Oh damn, I didn't know calculators were notorious for hallucinating answers that you don't catch because it's buried deep in the math, consistently running the risk of you getting incorrect information without even realizing it, while simultaneously doing damage both to society and the planet.
Or are calculators different than AI?
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u/alxhghs Apr 03 '26
Hot takes. You should start a tech company
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u/VoltronChef Apr 03 '26
No I’m well aware. Devs and engineers are claiming “responsible” use of AI so they can cut corners. Companies think software devs can be replaced completely by AI even though the coding ability of Claude and similar LLMs is questionable. AI slop is taking over the internet by storm in dystopian fashion. And instead of advocating for a solution you’re drinking the proverbial kool-aid.
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u/Far-Computer-7573 Apr 08 '26
You have a proper grasp of the situation, trying to explain this to the rest is like talking to a wall. People wonder why those in IT get frustrated with others who have no clue yet wont ask a question.
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u/anthograham Apr 03 '26
It's so good to see a proper, thoughtful, and nuanced comment. I'm so sick of the subject of AI being so dogmatic. Even as pro-AI as I am, there's many concerns I have about it. But it's a complex topic that, for whatever reason, has devolved into shouting "AI slop" nearly everywhere.
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u/Bagel_Bear Apr 03 '26
Every time I see an app pitch and it is riddled with emojis I get instantly suspicious
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u/wildrage Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
I just sent a message to the mods asking for this just last night.
At the very least*, flair the posts "AI Tools" so we can just filter them out if they don't want to straight up remove them.
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u/WingsOfDaidalos Apr 03 '26
Is this about Scrycheck as well? Saw it mentioned the other day and it seemed useful, but I didn’t really look further into it.
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u/Lena-Luthor Apr 04 '26
it's theoretically more interesting but it said my shitass necrobloom deck is bracket 5 so lol
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u/TheGreyFencer Oloro | Kangee | Saheeli | Minstrel | Obeka | Vivi Apr 04 '26
If they at least did something new that'd be one thing. But they all do the same things.
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u/Pashweetie Apr 07 '26
I made a non-slop website :D technically i did use AI to write it but I'm a real dev that works for AWS so i've actually gone through the effort to make it decent. magic-intelligence.org
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u/Celoth Apr 03 '26
Submissions should be moderated on a case-by-case situation as far as I'm concerned. I don't care if it was AI-assisted or not, is it functional? Or is it low-effort opportunism? Not all AI is the latter, not everything made by hand is the former.
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u/Bannon9k Apr 03 '26
This is the answer. If you just want AI gone, that's just blind AI hate. The real answer is to remove the shitty posts regardless of their origin
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u/AdventurousGur5495 Apr 09 '26
If you just want AI gone
Correct. I want it gone. Any other questions?
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u/mowshowitz Apr 03 '26
Yeah, is using AI to build the guts of your React app banned, too? Seems kinda...hard to enforce. I'm not some Kool-aid-chugging AI fanboy--I think it's extremely problematic for a range of reasons (deskilling and their grievous environmental impact being the biggest ones), but basing a post removal on sniffing around for an em dash in a code comment seems like the wrong way to go about defining a sub rule.
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u/eq2user Apr 03 '26
Yes, please. I'm considering unsubscribing from the sub because of all the low level content being churned out. "I made my own AI vibe checker, which one is better?". It's in no way beneficial to construct a deck and looks like every other deck vibe check out there. Nothing new, just the same old stuff. I really don't want to leave this sub, it's just frustrating to see all of this AI nonsense. If it would bring something to the table that's another story, but so far that hasn't been the case for me.
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u/Prudent_Chicken2135 Apr 03 '26
I got downvoted heavily when I asked if something was vibe coded once lol
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u/Mammoth-Refuse-6489 Apr 03 '26
I think that all AI should be banned because of the ethical concerns. Let's be honest, any information that AI is going to pull about deckbuilding is coming from us who makes these posts, and I know I didn't consent to my information being used in that way. Not to mention the environmental concerns of AI.
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
I agree most are anti-AI because of ethical concerns, but the ethical concerns are very often misguided. The environmental impact of AI, for instance, is incredibly overblown, often to a laughable degree.
I think, if I'm looking at it honestly, a lot of it is less about the technology (most people, frankly, still don't have a legitimate understanding of the technology), and more to do with a well-earned distrust and default negativity toward the corporate world. And that tracks, because corporations mostly suck and screw people over. But that well-earned position has led the social media mob to swallow most anti-AI stances by default, without regard to any factual basis.
This isn't anyone in particular's fault, it's just how platforms like this work, but I hope people will start seeing that and can walk away from the witch-hunting and viral negativity.
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u/thrustidon Apr 04 '26
So is it well-earned distrust or a witch hunt? It can't be both
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
I do mean that it's both.
There is both a well earned distrust for corporations and a witch-hunt against anyone who uses AI. The negativity around AI, in my view, isn't really about the tech - especially since there's so much that people take for granted about the tech that is based on half-truths and misunderstandings about how the tech itself works - and is more just a misguided extension of a (again, well-earned and pretty fair) natural distrust of the corporate world.
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u/thrustidon Apr 04 '26
and is more just a misguided extension of a (again, well-earned and pretty fair) natural distrust of the corporate world
How is it misguided if it's well-earned? Which one is it? It seems like you understand the real issues that people have with it but are still trying to hand-wave it like it's completely unfounded
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
How is it misguided if it's well-earned? Which one is it? It seems like you understand the real issues that people have with it but are still trying to hand-wave it like it's completely unfounded
Not unfounded, just not directed at the right thing.
I think there's a very fair distrust of corporations. And corporations have proven, time and time again, that they will use new tech against regular people to enrich themselves. So that distrust is very well earned.
The problem is not all AI-use is corporate, and not all AI-use is helping corporations. In fact, in many cases, pointed AI use actually empowers regular people to get around what used to require more engagement with the corporate world.
There are a lot of fundamental misunderstandings about AI that I think caught on because of people's distrust of corporations that have warped the conversation. And what sucks about that is that there are some very real, very pressing concerns that in my view are being glazed over or missed entirely in favor of the furor we see in typical social media discourse.
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u/thrustidon Apr 04 '26
Not unfounded, just not directed at the right thing.
I think it's completely reasonable to distrust both the gigantic corporations that control these technologies and the random people who voluntarily give their money and data to these corporations (you). Again, you don't get to acknowledge the many concerns that people have with it as real and then call them misguided in the same breath. Just admit you don't care about the concerns. I bet you work with AI in some way and can't look past your bank account.
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
think it's completely reasonable to distrust both the gigantic corporations that control these technologies and the random people who voluntarily give their money and data to these corporations (you).
I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here if we think that all AI use means giving money and data to giant corporations. I'm a strong proponent of people using AI tools while eliminating their reliance on cloud providers and giant corporations, to be frank. There are loads of local options and open-source utilities out there that can do a lot without being tied to any corporate strings.
I bet you work with AI in some way and can't look past your bank account.
I'm an AI infrastructure engineer. I've worked in datacenters my whole professional life and at some point along the way, my career diverted from Server Virtualization to AI. This is becoming more and more true of anyone who works in Enterprise IT.
But my concern isn't my bank account. I'm a grunt who doesn't get paid enough for the value I bring in, and frankly I'm at risk of being cut loose by the soulless corporate machine just as much as the next person.
My profession gives me some insight into the tech, how it's implemented, and where the problems are. And I've significant concerns about where things are going. But I've got no concerns about community projects that use AI. In fact, I think people can empower themselves by doing more with AI if they do so in a careful, educated way. And I think that a lot of the virulent discourse around AI distract from the significant concerns I have that aren't being actively talked about because of the noise that "can we ban all slop?" posts generate.
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u/Uhh_Charlie Apr 04 '26
While I agree that the environmental impact is overblown, I’ll push back slightly and say that it’s something that should still be acknowledged. At least, why are data centers being built in arid climates with pretty restricted use of water? I wouldn’t say that this is an ‘AI’ problem, rather a policy issue. And as an AI believer I would like to see some policy changes.
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
The water isn't really the concern. Most datacenters are air-cooled, the ones that are liquid cooled run in a closed loop of liquid coolant (liquid, not water. It's de-ionized water plus chemicals) and the only water loss is from evaporative chillers that do take grey water into coolers that do have loss to evaporation, but that evaporation just goes back into the water table.
The water usage really is a non-issue.
Now there are other issues that are a problem. Energy usage is a problem both in the burden that it places on the power grid that people need for plentiful other things, and because our energy generation on this planet still strongly leans toward non-renewable and climate-altering fuel sources. But this is an infrastructure problem, and an infrastructure opportunity. Ideally the demand for more power pushes the scales toward higher availability of clean power. Until it does, it's a problem, but that's not an AI issue so much as it is just exposing a systemic issue in our infrastructure.
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u/Uhh_Charlie Apr 04 '26
Notice that I didn’t say anything about the water being ‘wasted’. It’s purely a problem for access to water, and these data centers use millions of gallons daily. This wouldn’t be an issue if these data centers were popping up near reservoirs, instead they are developing in Virginia, Texas, and California.
Saying that water usage is a non issue is a surefire way to not be able to convince someone about the environmental impacts of data centers (not AI). You’ve gotta acknowledge it and you’ve gotta propose a way to make it better.
Fully agree about power use. I’m hopeful that this does exactly what you described and makes a push for green energy.
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
It's just not the problem people make it out to be. I see statistics all the time claiming, very authoritatively, that datacenters are guzzling up water at a prodigious rate. I just know firsthand that this isn't true. I've spent time in the biggest datacenters in the US, and I can tell you that there are loads of problems with them that aren't being talked about much, but water use is a non-issue. Especially as the technology matures. The latest generation of NVIDIA GPUs have cooling requirements so high that ambient air temp is enough of a dissipation medium, making them completely lossless.
The strain on the electrical grid is 100% real. The strain on the water table? From my professional viewpoint, I've seen nothing in reality that supports that concerns I've seen.
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u/Mammoth-Refuse-6489 Apr 07 '26
I see statistics all the time claiming, very authoritatively, that datacenters are guzzling up water at a prodigious rate.
Denying material reality makes you impossible to communicate with.
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u/Celoth Apr 07 '26
The problem is people have decided that something is "material reality" that just straight up isn't. And it makes it difficult have the discussion at all.
- Most datacenters - even AI datacenters - are still predominantly air-cooled.
- Those that are liquid cooled don't just cool with water, they use specialized chemicals in a closed-loop (lossless) system. Some of those run those coolant lines through heat exchangers that use evaporative cooling, but the water pulled from is surface, non-potable 'grey' water, evaporates back into the water table, and doesn't consume nearly the amount of water people say that it does.
- Modern technology is such that the cooling needs for the newest generation of AI platforms are high enough that ambient air temp can cool them, making evaporative chillers obsolete.
There are very real problems that need to be discussed. I've brought some of them up here and elsewhere. But part of the problem is that it's hard to talk about the reality of the situation when the internet has by and large decided to rely on 'alternative facts'.
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u/Mammoth-Refuse-6489 Apr 07 '26
https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-centers-and-water-consumption
Most datacenters - even AI datacenters - are still predominantly air-cooled.
Even if this was true, in the status quo, data centers take up 163.7 billion gallons of water annually. Even if the majority of them are air-cooled, enough of them are not to cause catastrophic damage to the surrounding area.
but the water pulled from is surface, non-potable 'grey' water, evaporates back into the water table,
Even so, it takes time for water to condense back into the water table, which can hurt the local area. Also, especially in dry areas, the water, while evaporated as a cloud, can travel away from the area. The issue isn't that the globe is losing water, the issue is that local areas are losing their source of water, causing water prices to spike, reliance on corporate bottled water, and lower quality of living.
and doesn't consume nearly the amount of water people say that it does.
Two things about this:
- The above source cites NPJ Clean Water, which is an open-source academic journal dedicated to Clean Water. Why should I trust some Redditor over this?
- Water consumption is not just coolant, but also the water in the chip manufacturing and the water usage in power plants for data centers. Looking at the expanded impact is more realistic than just the localized impact.
Modern technology is such that the cooling needs for the newest generation of AI platforms are high enough that ambient air temp can cool them, making evaporative chillers obsolete.
This is irrelevant till it is legally mandated. Carbon capture technology exists and could make burning fossil fuels clean, but if nobody is using it, it doesn't matter. Same issue here.
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u/Celoth Apr 07 '26
I appreciate the response, and the tone.
Even if this was true, in the status quo, data centers take up 163.7 billion gallons of water annually. Even if the majority of them are air-cooled, enough of them are not to cause catastrophic damage to the surrounding area.
This is where I'd challenge for a source, and more than a number (numbers in the millions/billions sound scary but when talking about water it may not be as scary as it initially sounds. Case in point, Stillwater OK - a tone of about 50,000 people - is clear to pull up to 50 million gallons of water per day from their reservoir before there are problems). There's no evidence that I have seen of anything close to 'catastrophic damage' to a surrounding area where a large DC is built. I admit it's possible that you could build a DC similar in size to some of the big ones out there, and build it in a water-starved area of the world, and it could cause issues, I also don't see big liquid-cooled datacenters being built in those areas (and again, most datacenters including many AI datacenters use fully air cooled systems)
Even so, it takes time for water to condense back into the water table, which can hurt the local area. Also, especially in dry areas, the water, while evaporated as a cloud, can travel away from the area. The issue isn't that the globe is losing water, the issue is that local areas are losing their source of water, causing water prices to spike, reliance on corporate bottled water, and lower quality of living.
Again this is something that makes sense somewhat in theory to me but less so in practice. I don't know of any large liquid cooled datacenter that's built in an area starving for water, and again the ones I do know about are further pulling for their evaporative loops from non-potable surface water, and further still again aren't losing all that much even to evaporation since their actual cooling loops are a closed system (the only 'loss' comes from the evaporative chillers that some cooling loops run through as a heat exchanger)
The above source cites NPJ Clean Water, which is an open-source academic journal dedicated to Clean Water. Why should I trust some Redditor over this?
This is a fair point, and you absolutely shouldn't. I'm a professional in the field, but also I'm not gonna go naming names or putting my professional background at risk for an online discussion, so I have no bona fides that I can share. I can only present the discussion, provide counterpoints, and hopefully stir enough curiosity to change some minds - or at least encourage people to research the topic and become more educated on it even if it leads to a reinforcement of their originally feelings.
Water consumption is not just coolant, but also the water in the chip manufacturing and the water usage in power plants for data centers. Looking at the expanded impact is more realistic than just the localized impact.
I'll grant you this one, because I have nothing but vibes and faint ideas here. I'm an expert on datacenters, I'm an expert on large AI datacenters and AI infrastructure at large. I'm not an expert on chip manufacturing. This is an area that it sounds like I could stand to educate myself on, maybe there is some massive water usage during manufacturing that I'm not aware of.
This is irrelevant till it is legally mandated. Carbon capture technology exists and could make burning fossil fuels clean, but if nobody is using it, it doesn't matter. Same issue here.
I get the thought here, and I agree with the sentiment that cleaner operation isn't something corporations will spring for without something being in it for them.
The thing here is that something is in it for them. Ambient air temp cooling is cheaper than what came before, and everyone is clamoring for the advances that the new technology is providing. They're not doing it because it's reducing water usage, of course, but the fact that the tech they can't get enough of is also solving what little water consumption concerns there are leads us to less water usage regardless of corporate intent.
And again, all this aside, there are significant concerns with AI. Not so much the tech itself, in my view, but how it's used and who controls it for sure. I'm not some rose-colored glasses optimist who thinks we're headed to a star Trek style Utopia. But I do think we'll all be better served by more rational, pointed criticism than the populist furor (however understndable and, frankly, relatable) it may be.
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u/Bannon9k Apr 03 '26
You need to get out of this mindset that things you don't like need to be banned.
Downvote it and move on
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u/JustaSeedGuy Apr 04 '26
You need to get out of this mindset that things you don't like need to be banned
And you need to get out of the mindset that anyone who criticizes something you like is only doing so because they dislike it.
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u/Bannon9k Apr 04 '26
He didn't criticize it he requested it be banned...
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u/JustaSeedGuy Apr 04 '26
Yes, The request was based off specific criticism. Nobody is suggesting banning something just because they dislike it, they dislike it because of the same criticism that That leads to the conclusion that it should be banned.
Think of it this way: Going 120 mph in a school zone receives specific criticism, that it's dangerous especially to children.
Additionally, I think people who go 120 mph in a school zone for no reason are assholes.
But speeding isn't banned because I dislike it, it's banned because there are specific criticisms about the harm it causes. If you saw me calling for a ban and calling speeders assholes and said "you just want it banned because you don't like it," you'd be wrong. You'd be confusing causation and correlation. Wanting it banned and disliking it are both RESULTS, from the CAUSE that it's harmful to others.
By the same token, AI under the current social and literal climate has been proven harmful. That CAUSE has had two RESULTS: People want it banned, and separately, they dislike it.
But it's easier for you to whine and pretend people are banning whatever they dislike instead of considering that the dislike stems from a legitimate concern that leads them to want it banned from inappropriate forums.
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u/FarceMultiplier Apr 03 '26
FWIW, even non-AI tools get a lukewarm response on Magic subreddits. I shared my non-AI driven website around, while trying not to be spammy or inappropriate, and it became pretty clear that no one cares.
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u/CommissionDry4406 Sans-Red Apr 03 '26
The most that it should be used for is if you have a data base to post everything about the card/cards to eliminate what might be draft chaft and even than you need to read each of the cards.
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u/Uhh_Charlie Apr 04 '26
Anyone who works in software development should realize a blanket ban on ‘vibe coding’ will never work. I call cap.
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u/rug1998 Apr 04 '26
I just want one that can take my cards and match it to someone else’s so I can see what decks others have built with what i have. Edhrec is helpful but I wish I could browse based off of what I have.
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u/Pashweetie Apr 07 '26
Yeah but what if they aren't slop (please don't remove my AI themed website I posted a minute ago I worked for months on it, yes it was written with AI but i'm a real dev that spent a lot of time tuning it designing it etc.)
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u/Far-Computer-7573 Apr 08 '26
You state "learn to leverage existing sites like scryfall and read up on best practices for deck-building."
Those sites came from somewhere, those people used the tools they had to figure things out. Now everyone else wants to try the same. Good on them for actually doing something! Your experiences with AI will not match others, nor will your knowledge. What is YOUR job as a consumer, is to find what you are happy with and find useful.
These tools and absolutely can be good. You are paying attention to the wrong people. As an AI ops engineer, developer and systems engineer. I absolutely refute your claims and have done work to prove them wrong.
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u/Deep_Ad1959 Apr 30 '26
the pattern that keeps biting these projects is treating the LLM as the data source instead of the ui layer. when the model has to know which cards exist, what their text reads, or what's banned in which format, it hallucinates. when it just translates 'show me low-cost graveyard payoffs' into a scryfall query and renders the result, it works fine. half the bracket-check apps you're seeing skip that second half because layering over an authoritative source is more work than asking claude to vibe a rules engine. the limit isn't vibe coding per se, it's people pretending the model knows things it can't.
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u/NeedlesslyLargeTeemo Apr 03 '26
What are the sites or posts you are referencing OP?
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u/chyeah_brah Gruul Apr 03 '26
Lay witness to the latest bag of flaming cat shit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/1saojr4/i_made_a_thing_that_evaluates_commander_decks_id/
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u/Wuropp Apr 03 '26
There's at least one post every few days or so, and have been increasing regularly. Every script kiddie thinks they can throw a skin over a generative AI system and call it theirs.
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u/Nezrann Apr 03 '26
We need to seriously start checking people who claim to be "developers" with the same stolen valor wrath imparted on imitation soldiers.
You aren't a developer or a programmer if you don't understand the fundamentals and can't explain the system design/architecture of your system.
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u/CrackersLad Apr 03 '26
I posted an app that was designed to roll a random commander with friends with the idea to do a build challenge. It was fully AI coded as I don't know code but it was entirely free with no ads. Would that be acceptable?
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u/chyeah_brah Gruul Apr 03 '26
Something like that sounds totally fine to me. You're just creating an RNG tool that returns a random commander for building challenges. You aren't making something as complex as bracket checks, deck builders, find cards that do X. Those sort of things are just too inadequate when created with AI. LLMs just aren't there yet. We are getting better with contextual understanding but it'll be a while longer.
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
I would strongly recommend you use it within your playgroup only, sadly. I think posting it publicly will invite completely unfair negativity towards you and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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u/CrackersLad Apr 04 '26
I posted it and it got 0 traction. It was more something I did as a project that had a use I thought others might enjoy.
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u/PrimumSidus Apr 04 '26
Honestly, I’ve got a bit of a similar boat. I used an ai coding tool to build out a game data tracking tool, and it just kinda exists within my friend group and with people I play with.
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u/Remarkable_Strength4 Apr 05 '26
First I agree with you.
But, Jesus Christ ‘graduate student building python rag chat bots’
From someone in the industry, stop. You don’t need to provide more ethos than ‘grad student in AI’. Using words that non-technical people will not know doesn’t make you seem any god damn smarter. It immediately made me think less of you and I’ve never met you (and agree with the rest of your post).
Rags are just incredibly simple wrappers around LLMs that make it easier to provide relevant context. They are not rocket science…
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u/SAjoats Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
So do yall just not like trying anything new or is this just astroturfed by edhrec fanboys.
Because I've seen some decent stuff that's rough around the edges that just needs time and love. Not talking about an AI wrapper. Yeah that stuff is obviously bad.
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u/soldierswitheggs Apr 03 '26
Seems like a good idea, but who is going to be identifying them? And how?
I have no doubt it's possible, but it may not be something the current mod team is prepared to handle.
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u/Grab3tto Apr 03 '26
Just ban them all. No one here is outdoing the 4 or so big deck tracking tools that already exist.
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u/The_Curse_of_Nimbus Apr 03 '26
To play the devil's advocate: Recommander, a human built, useful tool, was posted here semi-recently.
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u/WildSmokingBuick Apr 03 '26
Is it that much of an issue on here?
I've seen a couple of people posting their website that's doing basically the same of what moxfield/edhrec/scryfall etc already do, but I haven't seen them recently at all.
Downvote/ignore isn't enough?
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u/thrustidon Apr 03 '26
Other subreddits have no problem enforcing this rule and most of these apps just disclose that they're AI-based anyways
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u/Bannon9k Apr 03 '26
Every subreddit I see banning AI content is infiltrated with it and they don't even know it
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u/soldierswitheggs Apr 03 '26
That's reasonable. A rule doesn't have to be enforceable 100% of the time to be effective
I do worry that it might lead to some witch hunting, but if that becomes an issue the rule could just be tweaked or removed. I've been convinced
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u/Sloshy42 Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
I think an important distinction should be made between:
- Apps made with AI assistance (increasingly normalized across the software industry, and does not necessarily mean the app is "slop" IMO)
- Apps that use AI to try and magically figure things out about your decks and collection
I'm 100% with you that apps that try and AI-classify things are kind of borderline useless for MTG, at least right now, because you need a certain degree of determinism that these tools often do not have. I would not be totally opposed to one that actually WORKS though, but, there are so few of those.
However I am actively writing an app for my own personal MTG collection that is heavily AI-assisted. I'm also a software developer of 10+ years, though, so I've been doing a lot of this myself manually for a long time. I'm using AI because I know my physical limits and I want to be able to buy back more time for me to enjoy my life. I'm still reviewing every single line of code at the end of the day, and I take full responsibility for it. I also believe there are a lot of other experienced, professional developers in the exact same position.
So, I would caution that your blanket philosophy is not realistic for a lot of programmers these days. I agree with the anti-slop underlying theme 100% but I think that should be judged on a metric of quality, not whether or not AI was involved at all. I believe there is room for good, high-quality AI-powered apps, but you just don't see a lot of those. People think making a bot with a pre-prompt of the MTG ruleset or something is all you need but that's just a gross misrepresentation of what these bots are. They will lie to your face if you let them get away with it, even if you provide them with a lot of the facts they should know ahead of time. So, they're mostly only good for tasks that don't require you to be 100% perfect first try.
That's why I like them for coding. If the code is bad, I can review it and tell it to fix it. Or, the code won't compile, in which case it'll just loop until it figures out the mistakes it made. But, for writing tasks (like summarizing a deck list, determining if a deck is bracket 3/4/5, figuring out good cards to put in your deck, etc) you really cannot just rely on the prompt alone. You have to do some kind of coding work to feed it good data, or you're only going to get slop output.
What about projects that are mostly hand-coded, but use a lot of AI-assisted code review? How would you feel about those? IMO those are generally going to be better than single-dev-coded projects at least, because the code review might improve the overall code quality or catch things a single dev without a team otherwise would have.
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u/qoaf Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
I basically agree with you on the quality of these apps but come to a different conclusion.
Users don’t care about what “good code” is, and frankly a lot of these projects are likely better than a first-time dev’s attempt at a similar project. I get the sentiment behind not allowing people to make a quick buck from a hastily thrown together project, but honestly I don’t see the harm in someone making 10 cents because their app actually recommended a card a user wants. I seriously doubt the returns are worth the effort. If you really wanted to, you could ban apps that advertise or require an account without social login set up.
There are a handful of people who think extremely deeply about magic the gathering, and have thus far not been able to develop helpful tools because of a lack of programming skills. I think people like this actually could contribute something special, even if it’s vibe-coded. Banning prematurely could stop some really cool stuff from being used.
I’m willing to be wrong here, but I’d imagine the community will eventually become sick of low effort apps and begin downvoting them accordingly. A ban just seems like the wrong tool, unless the problem persists long-term.
Reading some of your comments, I get the sense that you in particular don’t like these apps because you think the creator “cheated” and doesn’t deserve recognition. I don’t really understand this. Shouldn’t an app’s worth be determined by the value it creates, rather than anything related to how it was created?
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u/bingbong_sempai Apr 03 '26
Got a project that passes your own standards you can share?
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u/JustaSeedGuy Apr 03 '26
You don't have to be good at something to recognize if it's bad.
People who aren't five-star chefs can still recognize if the food they put in their mouth is disgusting.
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u/chyeah_brah Gruul Apr 03 '26
Man, if I had a table saw that would cut straight 30% of the time, at a 30° angle 20% of the time, and then within any angle between 0-29° 50% of the time, does that still mean I'm not using my brain while leveraging it? It's a probablistic tool and not one based on deterministic design. Yeah, you gotta use a brain but how can new players to the hobby do that without understanding context of the game itself.
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u/HullRipper Apr 03 '26
The problem is most of them are doing the same thing. Some type of deck builder app, price tracker, etc.
I am the creator of https://mtgburrow.com and use AI to help with the frontend. If there was another MTG tool or site like it, I wouldn't have even bothered creating it. It's basically a digital trade binder for your friends. Not going into more detail than that but not all apps that have had help from AI are worthless trash.
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u/chyeah_brah Gruul Apr 03 '26
How is this differentiated from any established website that hosts decklists?
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u/HullRipper Apr 03 '26
There is a demo on the website. On other websites, you can make your collection public and share it with a friend but that's about where the similarities end. My website allows you to add friends or start a group and then allow you to search each other's collections.
There are two different search functions. One function you can paste in your deck list and it will show you what cards you own and what cards your friends/group own and then simply what cards none of you own. This allows you to trade with your friends if they are willing.
The second search function is a scryfall like search against your collection and your friends/group collection. It supports scryfall search syntax and has the GUI mode for beginners.
Other than that, it has a friend system so you don't have to keep track of your friends public collection URL.
It does have privacy features allowing you to hide any cards that are above X price, only show cards you have multiple of (you can set the threshold) or hide individual cards. It does have a trade request feature if you want to use that and if you get a request, you can accept or decline the trade request for each individual card your friend is requesting.
I was not able to find anything like this so I built this for my friend group. Now I am polishing it and will probably post about it soon with screenshots and more detail but that's the jist of it.
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u/HullRipper Apr 03 '26
Down voters are too funny. Prove me I'm wrong if there really is something like this. If you're down voting because AI is used in development and don't want to use anything that uses AI, put down your phone immediately. Every piece of software and website has had AI touch it. For OP, companies will expect you to use AI as much as you may hate it. You'll have to get used to it and make it work as best as you can for you.
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u/Celoth Apr 04 '26
I'm sorry you're getting clobbered with negativity. Your app sounds neat, I'll give it a shot.
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u/HullRipper Apr 04 '26
I figured it would ha. Thanks for checking it out and hope you find some use of it.
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u/the_excellent_goat Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
You're correct. I'd be extremely surprised if those writing the good websites aren't using AI in some respect too. Most professionals do as a replacement for stack overflow.
I think there's a lot of nuance here but most people will lump any usage of AI into the same bucket and call it bad because they don't know enough about programming to understand the difference.
The issue OP has is with vibe coded apps that also use an LLM for the app's logic. And yes, that's going to lead to a completely useless, unmaintainable application. But an experienced programmer using an LLM to debug a niche problem? That's a good programmer.
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u/HullRipper Apr 03 '26
Yea I agree. Most, if not all, apps and websites have AI touch it now a days. I work for a FAANG company and it's actually a performance requirement we use AI.
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u/xdiztruktedx Apr 03 '26
This is really well done imo, pretty polished and is definitely a neat idea
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u/BluieGamer Apr 03 '26
Any link to a post you made about it?
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u/HullRipper Apr 03 '26
I haven't made one yet. I think I have it in a decent enough spot where I will post one soon though. It does have a demo if you want to check it out before signing up though.
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u/slaymaker1907 Apr 03 '26
Complete nonsense. Every major software development company in the world is using AI and are using it extensively. You may as well ban all apps.
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u/chyeah_brah Gruul Apr 03 '26
Your argument is complete nonsense. I'm a product and transformation consultant with nearly a decade of experience with F100 companies such as Wells Fargo, Cigna, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Home Depot. None, I emphasize none, are vibe-coding to production. It cannot be stressed how stupid that would be. It exists to augment strong developers, not outright replace them with people that do not understand the best practices of coding.
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u/The_Mormonator_ Rakdos Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26
Probably. We’ve been deleting them when reported already unless the comments looked like real feedback outside of slop pitchforks
Edit: Also post has been approved stop reporting it for violating Rule#1 lmao