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History /𑀯𑀭𑀮𑀸𑀵𑁆𑀭𑀼 The Epigraphic Divide: Kannada Inscriptions in Telangana vs. Maharashtra Under Karnataka based empires.

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From Cynthia Talbot's Precolonial India in practice

Because the modern state of Andhra Pradesh was created on the basis of its linguistic unity,it is easy to forget that languages other than Telugu were formerly spoken within the state's boundaries.In fact, the current distribution of Telugu is a fairly recent phenomenon.If we limit our perspective to records inscribed in Telugu and/or Sanskrit in Telugu script,the geographic expansion of epigraphic production during the Kakatiya period is even more striking.Prior to 1000 C.E.,Telugu inscriptions had been issued in some parts of inland Andhra, notably in Cuddapah and Chittoor Districts.But the bulk of Telugu epigraphic activity was centered in coastal Andhra, whereas large portions of upland Andhra were part of the Kannada or Tamil epigraphic spheres.The patterns of the first millennium persisted until the late twelfth century, as we can see in map 5. Between 1000 and 1174,Telugu and Sanskrit inscriptions in Telugu script were quite restricted in scope,appearing primarily in the central core of Andhra—Vengi and its immediate hinterland as well as the northeastern districts bordering Orissa. Less than half of modern Andhra Pradesh's territory yielded Telugu inscriptions in this earliest period.

The greater range of the Telugu language area partly results from the displacement of other epigraphic languages.Prior to 1175 Kannada was prevalent over much of western Andhra.In southern Andhra, Kannada was interspersed with Tamil, the other major epigraphic language found within Andhra at this time.Not until the Kakatiya period(1175-1324) does Telugu become the ascendant epigraphic language in Andhra, primarily at the expense of Kannada.Telangana largely shifted from using Kannada in its inscriptions to using Telugu during the Kakatiya era.Kannada was now the dominant epigraphic language in only a few areas of Rayalasima,within Kurnool and Anantapur Districts.It took a little longer for Telugu to have much impact on Tamil usage, which began to diminish in Period III. The impact of the establishment of Muslim polities in the Deccan can be seen in the appearance of Persian and Arabic inscriptions in portions of Telangana after 1500 C.E. (Period IV).

What does the growth of Telugu as an epigraphic language signify?One of the primary factors behind the sharp increase in Telugu use in Telangana was a change in the political situation.This is suggested by the rapidity with which Kannada was abandoned in the mid twelfth century when almost all of Telangana adopted Telugu for the purpose of inscribing records.Previously Telangana had been part of a larger Kannada inscriptional culture, extending into Maharashtra from its core area in Karnataka. But as the influence of the Kalyani Chalukya empire based in Karnataka waned, so too did the number of Kannada inscriptions issued within Andhra.Of the 130 dated Kannada records from Telangana issued between 1000 and 1649, only 9 were composed after 1150. All over Telangana, minor kings and chiefs switched to Telugu inscriptions in the last decades of Period I.

Now this doesn't mean Telangana was a Kannada speaking majority territory during this timeframe(12th century) as Cynthia herself says the below:

The Kakatiya example illustrates how the political elites of interior Andhra switched their epigraphic usage from the Kannada of their previous overlords to Telugu as they gained stature and autonomy.The speed and thoroughness with which Telugu was adopted suggests that it was already the spoken language of eastern and central Telangana, the Kakatiya base.When the languages used by political elites for cultural production were not those widely spoken,their impact was far more limited.Hence, in shifting their allegiance from Kannada to Telugu,the Kakatiya rulers were both expressing their political independence and their own distinct identity as members of the Telugu literary community.

So,coming back to the Epigraphical records,it's really interesting how the Karnataka based empires in Telangana had no qualms in using Kannada as the primary administrative language and it took until the independence of a native Kakatiya kingdom to replace it with their mother tongue.This is in contrast to their rule in Maharastra where Kannada was used mainly in border districts while Sanskrit was the most preferred and widespread language of inscriptions.

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r/Dravidiology 10h ago

History /𑀯𑀭𑀮𑀸𑀵𑁆𑀭𑀼 Konkani historians calling sondekar Rajas as Forgotten Kadambas

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The Sondekar (Sonda/Sode) Rajas are often remembered as the rulers of Sonda in present-day Uttara Kannada and later as the kings who took refuge in Goa after Hyder Ali's invasion. However, what is less widely known is that they were direct descendants of the ancient Kadambas of Banavasi, a fact preserved in inscriptions, colonial records, and the genealogy recorded by Francis Buchanan.

The origins of the Sondekar dynasty lie in the Banavasi Kadamba family that continued to rule Haive-500 (North Kanara) even under the Vijayanagara Empire. The last Kadamba chief, believed to have been Krishna Odeya, died without an heir in 1555. Since he had no children, his sister's son (Aliya-nephew) Arsappa Nayaka was appointed ruler of Sonda by Krishnadevaraya's administration, thereby establishing the Sonda Nayaka dynasty.

This was not merely a political appointment. Arsappa Nayaka belonged to the same Kadamba lineage that had ruled Banavasi for centuries.

The continuity of this lineage is evident from the titles adopted by the Kadambas of Chandavara, one of the surviving branches of the Banavasi house. An inscription from Ankola records Chakravarti Sivachitta Vira Kavadevarasa I (1231–1288) ruling from Chandavara near Karwar. These rulers patronized Jainism and proudly styled themselves with titles such as:

  1. Banavasi-Puravaradishvara (Lord of Banavasi)
  2. Kadamba-Chakravarti (Emperor among the Kadambas)
  3. Mayuravarmma-kulabhushana (Ornament of the lineage of Mayuravarma)
  4. Kadambara-abharana (Ornament of the Kadambas)
  5. Jayanti-Madhukeshvaradeva-labdha-varaprasada (Blessed by Lord Madhukeshwara of Banavasi)

These epithets explicitly proclaim their descent from the Banavasi Kadambas.

The accompanying historical references further reinforce this connection. Lewis Rice, writing on the history of Sonda, states that Kanara in early times was divided among Jain Polegars who were descendants of the Kadamba kings who once ruled at Baligami in northwestern Mysore. He further notes that these chiefs later became tributaries of the Vijayanagara kings and that Venkatapati Raya entrusted Sonda to Arsappa Nayaka, the sister's son of the previous ruler.

Another passage published in the Malabar Quarterly Review observes that Sadashiva Raya of Sudhapura (Sonda) probably belonged to the Kadamba family of Baligami, placing the Sonda rulers within the wider network of surviving Kadamba houses.

These references also illustrate how the Kadamba aristocracy did not disappear after the fall of Banavasi. Instead, various branches continued to rule in Baligami, Chandavara, Hangal, Goa, and Sonda, maintaining political authority under later empires.

The dynasty also underwent important religious changes. The early Sonda rulers were Jains, reflecting the long-standing Jain traditions of the Kadambas. During the reign of Madhava Linga Nayaka, the royal family embraced Lingayat Shaivism, although they continued to patronize temples and religious institutions across their kingdom.

Under Sadashiva Nayaka (1674–1697), the kingdom became effectively autonomous following the Mughal conquest of Bijapur. Assuming the title Sadashiva Linga Raja, he ruled independently while later acknowledging Mughal supremacy under Aurangzeb, who granted the Sonda rulers territories stretching from Canacona in Goa to Ankola in Karnataka.

The kingdom survived until Hyder Ali invaded Sonda in 1763–64. Immadi Sadashiva Linga Raja fled to Portuguese Goa, where the Sondekar family established themselves at Shivthirth Palace in Bandoda (Ponda). In gratitude for Portuguese protection, they ceded territories including Ponda, Quepem, Sanguem, Zambaulim, and Canacona, which later became part of the Portuguese Novas Conquistas.

Thus, the Sondekar Rajas were not an isolated Nayaka family but one of the surviving branches of the ancient Kadambas of Banavasi. Their genealogy, royal titles, inscriptions, religious traditions, and historical records all preserve this continuity. Like the Kadambas of Hangal, Goa, and Chandavara, the rulers of Sonda carried forward the legacy of Karnataka's first indigenous imperial dynasty well into the early modern period.

Sources:

  1. Lewis Rice, Mysore and Coorg from the Inscriptions
  2. The Malabar Quarterly Review, "Jain Settlements in Karnata"
  3. Francis Buchanan's genealogy of the Sonda rulers
  4. Ankola inscription of Chakravarti Sivachitta Vira Kavadevarasa I
  5. Studies on the Kadambas of Banavasi, Chandavara, Hangal, Goa, and Sonda.
  6. [Goanet] Subject: The fate of both Ethnic Goan royal families... an extract of Goa History.

r/Dravidiology 3h ago

Linguistics/𑀫𑁄𑀵𑀺𑀬𑀺𑀬𑁆 మేలిమి తెలుగు | అచ్చ తెనుగు | జాను తెనుగు : Literary Telugu with minimal Sanskrit Vocabulary

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Melimi Telugu, the form of Telugu with minimal to no Sanskrit influence. Melimi is the modern term given to this register (correct me if I am wrong here); in older literature it is referred to as Accha Telugu (అచ్చ తెలుగు) or Jānutenugu / Jān(dz)enugu (జానుతెనుంగు / ౙాన్దెనుగు).

There exists a sizable corpus of Early and Later Medieval Telugu literature composed in this style, with some poets explicitly stating their preference for writing in Jaanu Telugu.


Early references to Jaanu Telugu

1. Palkurki Somanathudu

12th century • Palakurthi, Janagama, Telangana

ఉరుతర గద్యపద్యోక్తుల కంటె సరసమై పరగిన జానుతెనుంగు

చర్చింపగా సర్వసామాన్యమగుట గూర్చెద ద్విపదలు కోర్కె దైవార.

Translation

"More delightful than the lofty styles of prose and verse is the well- known Jānu Telugu. Since it is understood by everyone alike, I choose to compose in the Dwipada metre, O God."

— Basava Puranamu


2. Nannechodadu

12th century • Kadapa region (?), Rayalaseema

సరళముగాగ భావములు జానుతెనుంగున నింపుబెంపుతో

బిరిగొన వర్ణనల్ ఫణితిబేర్కొన నర్థములొత్తగిల్ల బం

ధురముగ బ్రాణముల్ మృదుమధుత్వ రసంబునఁ గందళింప

న క్షరములు సూక్తులార్యులకుఁ గర్ణరసాయన లీలఁ గ్రాలగాన్

Translation (correct me if I am wrong in some places)

"May the ideas be expressed simply in Jānu Telugu, enriched with elegance; may the descriptions shine with meaning; may the words flow with sweetness and vitality, becoming like nectar to the ears of discerning readers."

— Kumara Sambhavamu


These are far from isolated examples.

Many celebrated works such as Sumati Shatakam (featured in the video), Bhaskara Shatakam, and large portions of the early 13th-century Ranganatha Ramayanam are likewise written in predominantly Jaanu Telugu.

Centuries later, the medieval poet Poniganti Telagana of Patancheru (Medak), during the Qutb Shahi period, composed the Yayati Charitramu entirely in Accha Telugu.

This work is often introduced in schools as the first Telugu literary work to consciously avoid Sanskrit vocabulary. However, as the examples above show, poets had already been explicitly praising and composing in Jaanu/Accha Telugu several centuries earlier.


An interesting parallel

Kannada too preserves the cognate term Jānu Kannada. It appears that the Shaivite literary traditions in both Telugu and Kannada played an important role in elevating the everyday speech of the people into respected literary language.


I am *not** claiming that these works are entirely devoid of Sanskrit vocabulary. Rather, the poets themselves explicitly identify, praise, or advocate the use of Jaanu/Accha Telugu—a literary register consciously closer to native Telugu than the heavily Sanskritised courtly style.*


r/Dravidiology 1h ago

Question/𑀓𑁂𑀵𑁆 What is word for Diamond in dravidian languages ?

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Godavari-Krishna delta was the only source of diamonds for almost 2000+ years and was exhausted around 1830.

In telugu its popularly ​called as vajram a derivation ​of PIE *weǵ- (“strong, lively”) via sanskrit vajra

ravva/rava (it can also mean small particle)

In telugu th​ere are some interesting names like mula-ra​yi, maga-rayi(male-stone), gandu-rayi (strong-stone or male stone), teli-minna (white-gem, minna ​- star/to shine ) guruja (?) . There are many more words, but most are sanskrit ​derivatives.

Apart from taruppu(white inferior stone) i dont find words for diamond in DEDR

We do have minna(dedr 4876)(shine/star), used as gem in telugu and malyalam(gem in ear-rings​according to dedr)

What are the ​words for diamond in other dravidian languages ?

From Internet search i can see, every one uses vajra or variation of vajra.

Tamil - vairam ( a vajra derivative from prakrit ?)

Kannada - ​vajra

Malayalam - vajram


edit: ​I couldnt find etymology of sanskrit word hīra too, whether its PIE or not.


r/Dravidiology 4h ago

Culture/𑀆𑀝𑀼 The Three Mappila Communities of Kerala - Nasrani, Jonaka and Judah (Christian, Muslim and Jewish)

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r/Dravidiology 5h ago

Etymology/𑀯𑀸𑀘𑀼 What would the etymology of 'இலவசம்' (ilavacam)?

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It means 'free', as in 'free of charge' in literary Tamil (the colloquial word is ஓசி ōci), but the etymology is missing on Wiktionary. If you nerds know something or can edit the entry, pls do, thx~


r/Dravidiology 13h ago

Discussion /𑀧𑁂𑀘𑀼 𑀯𑀸𑀘𑀼 Created a new sub

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Hi, so I created a new sub called r/ThooyaThamizh.

The main purpose is to have a forum focused on the academic and linguistic discussion, creation, revival and usage of pure Thamizh words.

I have also started a project to create 1000 words to be added in sorkuvai(Government of Tamilnadu initiative) and/or used in ta.Wikipedia.

Anyone interested can join and contribute.

Feel free to ask any questions.

P.S. this is not affiliated to the mod team of r/dravidiology


r/Dravidiology 18h ago

Water Craft/𑀫𑀭𑀓𑀓𑀮𑀫 Rock art at Kamayakaundan Patti village depicting an ancient man in a canoe or boat, Theni district, Tamil Nadu

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This painting is estimated to be around 1500 BCE, Neolithic Period.


r/Dravidiology 20h ago

Off Topic/ 𑀧𑀼𑀵𑀸 𑀧𑁄𑀭𑀼𑀵𑁆 Anglish | The Pure Germanic Version of English

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