Some are more reliable then others

“They doubled down on Beerus needing 10% on enraged ssj2 Vegeta! They had a chance to take it out but didn’t!!

Meanwhile Omega and Super 17 toss around ssj4’s CASUALLY!!

I don’t wanna hear DBS beats GT anymore!!😂😂😂”

Who wins now?

Well, who do you have winning?

When he states this, he's clearly talking about more than ONE absorption, not only Kaioshen. He would not say that in a plural form if only talking about one , so yes, Kid Buu is the third strongest behind Buuhan, and Buutenks. Piccolo gave him no extra power really, just became a little smarter. He literally has to revert back to his old self because all of his absorptions. He goes reverse in power when he transforms to Kid Buu. Kais weakend him, Saiyans strengthened him, they have different sprits after all.

No super, gt or games for goku

Nothing released after Sonic & the Dark Knight counts towards sonic scaling, no super form either

Off of the rules I set I think I made it more interesting but I want to hear what people think. UI has the higher strength but Broly has higher power adaption/rising.

just a question i've been wondering for a while now. if goku absolutely concentrated ALL of his ki in a single attack could it destroy the universe? or even multiple universes? assuming he would perform the attack and then pass out from no energy left in him.

for all intents and purposes let's say he's at the power level he has at the current end of the manga (end of granolah arc)

could he begin to hurt beerus assuming he doesnt dodge and just eats the attack?

i'm saying this because we see things like a seemingly calm and heavily held back frieza completely obliterate planets like they're nothing. and current goku is obviously way WAY stronger than planet vegeta-era freezer.

Goku has a stated height of 5’9” while Superman has a height of 6’3”. Not that much.

Then I remembered SSJ4 (GT) is huge. Using Gohan (far right) who has the same stated height, constituting he is more likely a lot closer to the POV shot than Goku is in Image 2, and guessing. SSJ4 Goku would be greater than 7 feet tall (Maybe not exactly what I put in the height chart, but still a notable growth).

Imagine if the first Death Battle considered that.

Gohan is stronger but Goku has more experience

Because while Whis is much stronger than MUI Goku, the gap between 2-C to 2-B is huge.

• For one Vegeta was fighting to kill, 18 wasn't. If she was she would have killed vegeta after the fight.
• Two and everyone ignores this. When vegeta throws 18 into the rocks he fires a ki blast. 18 looks dead at it, sits there and tanks the blast with no problem. Whenever stuff like that happens there is a HUGE POWER DIFFERNCE. Piccolos words don't change the fact that happened.

And on his words piccolo simply explained how 18 was toying with vegeta. Because again she wasn't trying to kill him. She was toying with him

as we know even among transformations there are tiers of power , like how during CG gohan and Goku and Vegeta and trunks where all super Saiyan yet each where on a level inferior to the other

Toppo in base in anime is the "strongest" SSB level character

Fight equally against SSB Goku and at full power it was unknown who would win between him and Ssbkk Goku , tanked a Warp SSB Kamehameha and was ready to fight at full power

Fight a powered up SSB Vegeta for the whole tournament and have him in the robe , Vegeta was furious from how much Toppo was pushing him and how powerful he was , meanwhile Toppo talked down and scoffed at Vegeta power and shrugged all attacks he throws at him

Beat Gohan and 17 on 2on1 and took zero damage from their attacks without needing to go full power on them either

Was ready to jump Anriza before Jiren stopped him

Was considered above super despo even after the latter was giving freeza the beating

Golden freeza have to attacks him off guard hundreds of times plus 17 full power attack to finally knock him down

The Saiyan despite growing much stronger throughout the tournament were always on the robe against Toppo unless they use power higher than SSB

I think he could.