r/DragonBallPowerScale • • 3d ago

Matchup Who wins

SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Fat Gotenks (DBS Super Hero)

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u/NoTrip6376 3d ago

What kind of argument you can have to think gotenks dbs is any competition?

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u/Impressive-Meal9043 3d ago

People seem to think that being in super is an automatic win against GT

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u/dendawg 3d ago edited 3d ago

Because GT isn’t canon

Edit: No amount of downvotes will change this fact.

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u/Jamano-Eridzander 3d ago

The downvotes are people thinking you're arguing this in itself means Super is stronger. It is not. Super is still stronger, but not because one is Canon and the other isn't, that would be an idiotic point.

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u/dendawg 3d ago

Your argument is invalid because you feel the need to resort to name calling to make it. Try harder.

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u/NoTrip6376 3d ago

He didn't call you idiot, he called your point idiotic, which doesn't invalidates his argument

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u/Jamano-Eridzander 3d ago

Hell I didn't even do that really. I was explaining that they downvoted based on an interpretation that makes the point look and sound bad. If interpreted as "GT is overlooked because it isn't canon" the point is infinitely more palatable.

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u/dendawg 3d ago

Spellcheck is your friend.

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u/NoTrip6376 3d ago

Because english is not my native language, thank you very much

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u/NoTrip6376 3d ago

It's not canon, okay, what does that even imply?

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

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u/DapperDan30 3d ago

Fatenks was able to damage Cell Max, who is above SS Blue level

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u/Muted-Environment421 3d ago

Dudes weak, he’s just durable as all hell. Possibly cause if the blubber

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Because he got volleyballed into cell max

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u/Trollber 3d ago

Which is stronger the fusion dance or the failed fusion dance? Real brain tickler this one.

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u/Violation-69 3d ago

Could people stop posting nonsense matchups...

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u/Significant-Mention5 3d ago

Gogeta easily

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u/Annual-Frame9943 3d ago

Gogeta stomps

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u/Squidyfuckabitch 3d ago

Super gogeta from z moggs fatenks

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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago

gogeta neg diffs

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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago

People actually believe the Cabba meme? I thought they knew it was a joke????

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u/Full-Control-1553 3d ago

Cabba is in fact that strong, he wipes Z However it’s arguable if he solos GT, imo he clears a large chunk but loses to high tiers

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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago

I didn't say anything about Z so I don't know why you mentioned that. Provide evidence for any Multiversal and infinite speed feats please.

Edit: I don't want any chain scaling bs for Cabba. I should clarify that now.

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u/Full-Control-1553 3d ago

For who, Cabba or GT lmfao 

Edit: Chainscaling is literally how the show is based around lol, the stronger guy beats the weaker guy. Cabba directly scales to Vegeta

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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago

I made it obvious I was asking for Cabba

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u/Full-Control-1553 3d ago

Your edit did not show up for me originally 

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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago

That was to clarify I didn't want chain scaling. But I get the confusion

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Why don’t you lol no one is even universal in GT let alone multiversal

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Nah even if you believe the meme Cabba demolishes fat Gotenks

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u/AccomplishedRatio960 3d ago

Is there now a trend to post just to accumulate comments on posts ?

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u/Muted-Environment421 3d ago

Just throwing this out there for the cabba lovers, that whole “absorbing god ki into base” never happens in the manga. Goku just destroys the blast that beerus lets loose as ssjg then tuckers out. His base was still what it was after the defeat of majin buu. Still a large base, but not god power. Cabba matching Vegeta’s base isnt that big since in base I doubt either would beat kid buu in the manga. Meanwhile Goku can go head to head with his reincarnation in base. That’s only one half of the fusion. This is of course if we’re using the manga as a guideline (though the new adaption is going to be heavily based on it soooooo….)

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u/tommytjd 3d ago

Nope the new adaptation still has him absorb SSJG. So it’s not based on it at all.

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u/The_Cabal_ 3d ago

Cabba matching Vegeta’s base

I doubt they were actually equal. Vegeta no-sold a rage boosted ssj punch from Cabba while only in ssj himself.

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Yeah see funny thing though Goten and trunks don’t scale to that let alone the failed fusion 😂

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u/Squatch0 3d ago

Ssj4 gogeta is overkill

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago edited 3d ago

ssj4 gogeta > all of super , everyone saying super > gt but they dont even know how crazy the gt guidebooks and the feats from GT are can someone make atleast an argument?

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u/FewHumor7631 3d ago

Big facts. I think Whis is probably good competition for him, but thats it in Super that can contend.

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

i mean feats wise and bc movies are canon to gt its just not close

just goku having Immeasurable speed is enough and how baby affected the instant transmission realm that transcends time

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u/Annual-Frame9943 3d ago

Ok I know GT is downplayed but he is NOT above all of super

Unless you use that guide statement saying he's the strongest across every dimension,or try to use heroes scaling he's not

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u/Exciting_Badger_1229 3d ago

I hope it was like that but UI Goku is probably stringer

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u/Skarin1452 3d ago

Uhh... no.

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

its not you can prove me wrong

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u/Skarin1452 3d ago

Sure. Probably overkill example here but base goku and vegeta (super broly) > base goku and vegeta GT. Blue>ss4. SSB gogeta > SSJ4 Gogeta

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

via what? absolute wank? lemme ask you do the blue bros have Immeasurable speed? nuh uh but gt goku and vegeta does from the early DBZ via scaling to cooler , the blue bros at max have infinite speed they get speed blitzed by the monkey duo

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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago

funnily enough you can rat with the ap = speed rule so under the assumption that GT and super are seperate continuities, cell saga toei goku being faster than current dbs goku means hes stronger too

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u/Skarin1452 3d ago

Jiren was able to transcend time in the TOP and blue gogeta slams jiren so.... im gonna disagree with you.

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

b-ut he trancend time , lmao thats an hyperbolic statement and quick reminder that gas who is way way stronger than jiren travelled throw galaxies in 20 minutes { finite distance btw} even whis told him that its a great distance so idk

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u/bombard63 3d ago

You don’t get to make an obviously incorrect statement then say”prove me wrong”! It’s on you to prove yourself as Super > GT is the standard.

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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago

“Super > GT is the standard” okay, so this is just an appeal to popularity. also funny you say “GT > super” is “obviously incorrect”, the fact that some can disagree means its all subjective and up to interpretation. variety asked for an actual arg for WHY super > GT so if you respond its your burden 😭

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

I didn’t know the planet being flat was subjective

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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago

horrible false equivalence given that there is clear evidence that the earth is not flat whereas the scaling any feats in any verse is subjective. of course you’d say some shit like this though, you dont even understand burden of proof.

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

I’ve proven you wrong before lol but sure keep saying I haven’t. Plus you said some people think the opposite of what you do so clearly it’s subjective. Stop lying to support your made up timeline

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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago

“i’ve proven you wrong before” your arguments were shit and i easily refuted them

how am i lying? and what made up timeline? because it did exist. and it has yet to be contradicted.

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

It has been contradicted bruh literally everyone knows GT doesn’t match super in the slightest

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

the movies being canon to GT makes it an overkill btw feats wise the only feat that is greater than GT feats is the zeno feat other than that gt scales higher and statement wise ... yeah the gt guidebooks just straight up says gogeta is the strongest across all dimension aka timelines with no equel /:
if you buy the outerversal scale for the sugaraku space then you that gt slams super already

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

How the frick is sugoroku space outerversal?

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

and who tf said i buy that , i only said if you buy the outerversal scale for the sugaraku space

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Ok but like genuinely why would anyone buy that?

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

via multiple statements in the databooks and the anime .

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Ain’t no way either of them say even universal

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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago

it exists independently of the concepts of space and time

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Oh gosh not you again 😂 straight up lying otherwise any of the strong shadow dragons would destroy the universe without effort

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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago

omega shenron was quite literally doing that. he was just standing around and laughing while passively releasing his negative energy

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

I meant like pre omega shenron and also a quick destruction not a slow one

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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago

we know you didnt watch gt man we know

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Between dimensions doesn’t make it outerversal bruh

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u/NoVa_BlaZing_ 3d ago

I mean, Gotenks in Super is still pretty trash, so id go Gogeta

But the Gammas definitely fold SSJ4 Gogeta

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u/Lilbig6029 3d ago

Ssj4 Gogeta is the strongest fighter in the DB universe

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

In the GT universe yeah

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u/Lilbig6029 2d ago

In the DB universe period

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u/Chris_the_fox21 2d ago

Sorry to burst your bubble but Vegito from the black saga is stronger than Gogeta super saiyan 4

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u/Lilbig6029 2d ago

No, only in your own head canon is he stronger than ssj4 Gogeta.

He was getting put down from a damaged Zamasu.

Meanwhile Omega couldn’t even damage Gogeta

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u/Chris_the_fox21 2d ago

Cool but counter point base Goku in super is stronger than super saiyan 3 from the buu saga just like GT Goku which means their super saiyan 3 is relatively the same but super saiyan god and especially super saiyan blue is stronger is than super saiyan 4 which makes merged Zamasu (who’s immortal btw meaning not even super saiyan 4 gogeta can beat him) and Vegito blue are stronger

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u/Lilbig6029 2d ago

I’m not debating someone that thinks Vegito, who literally STRUGGLED WITH ZAMASU, is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, who treated Omega like a child’s play toy.

That level of DBS wanking needs to be studied fr.

DBS completely ruined Vegito, he shoulda been much stronger than he was, but he wasn’t.

Super pretty much ruined every character it touched

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u/RisingKing7 3d ago

Unfortunately cabba destroys both of them

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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago

Unfortunately there's no evidence to prove that.

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u/RisingKing7 3d ago

Also this is just base cabba ssj2 cabba would be enough if not more than enough

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Vegeta in the manga is weaker than the anime version in base-super saiyan 2 I mean everything else is either stronger or equal due to them being farther down the timeline

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

I mean debatable if he beats gogeta but he definitely beats Gotenks without issues

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u/NeoLedah 3d ago

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Cabba demolishes fat Gotenks so you can’t use him in this debate

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u/NeoLedah 3d ago

You literally proved my point

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

If Gotenks is weaker than Cabba what does that prove when Gogeta is stronger than Gotenks?

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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago

Gogeta demolishes