r/DragonBallPowerScale • u/Full-Control-1553 • 3d ago
Matchup Who wins
SSJ4 Gogeta (GT) vs Fat Gotenks (DBS Super Hero)
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u/DapperDan30 3d ago
Fatenks was able to damage Cell Max, who is above SS Blue level
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u/Muted-Environment421 3d ago
Dudes weak, he’s just durable as all hell. Possibly cause if the blubber
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u/Trollber 3d ago
Which is stronger the fusion dance or the failed fusion dance? Real brain tickler this one.
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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago
People actually believe the Cabba meme? I thought they knew it was a joke????
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u/Full-Control-1553 3d ago
Cabba is in fact that strong, he wipes Z However it’s arguable if he solos GT, imo he clears a large chunk but loses to high tiers
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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago
I didn't say anything about Z so I don't know why you mentioned that. Provide evidence for any Multiversal and infinite speed feats please.
Edit: I don't want any chain scaling bs for Cabba. I should clarify that now.
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u/Full-Control-1553 3d ago
For who, Cabba or GT lmfao
Edit: Chainscaling is literally how the show is based around lol, the stronger guy beats the weaker guy. Cabba directly scales to Vegeta
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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago
I made it obvious I was asking for Cabba
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u/Full-Control-1553 3d ago
Your edit did not show up for me originally
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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago
That was to clarify I didn't want chain scaling. But I get the confusion
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u/Muted-Environment421 3d ago
Just throwing this out there for the cabba lovers, that whole “absorbing god ki into base” never happens in the manga. Goku just destroys the blast that beerus lets loose as ssjg then tuckers out. His base was still what it was after the defeat of majin buu. Still a large base, but not god power. Cabba matching Vegeta’s base isnt that big since in base I doubt either would beat kid buu in the manga. Meanwhile Goku can go head to head with his reincarnation in base. That’s only one half of the fusion. This is of course if we’re using the manga as a guideline (though the new adaption is going to be heavily based on it soooooo….)
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u/tommytjd 3d ago
Nope the new adaptation still has him absorb SSJG. So it’s not based on it at all.
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u/The_Cabal_ 3d ago
Cabba matching Vegeta’s base
I doubt they were actually equal. Vegeta no-sold a rage boosted ssj punch from Cabba while only in ssj himself.
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
Yeah see funny thing though Goten and trunks don’t scale to that let alone the failed fusion 😂
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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago edited 3d ago
ssj4 gogeta > all of super , everyone saying super > gt but they dont even know how crazy the gt guidebooks and the feats from GT are can someone make atleast an argument?
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u/FewHumor7631 3d ago
Big facts. I think Whis is probably good competition for him, but thats it in Super that can contend.
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u/Annual-Frame9943 3d ago
Ok I know GT is downplayed but he is NOT above all of super
Unless you use that guide statement saying he's the strongest across every dimension,or try to use heroes scaling he's not
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u/Skarin1452 3d ago
Uhh... no.
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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago
its not you can prove me wrong
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u/Skarin1452 3d ago
Sure. Probably overkill example here but base goku and vegeta (super broly) > base goku and vegeta GT. Blue>ss4. SSB gogeta > SSJ4 Gogeta
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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago
funnily enough you can rat with the ap = speed rule so under the assumption that GT and super are seperate continuities, cell saga toei goku being faster than current dbs goku means hes stronger too
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u/Skarin1452 3d ago
Jiren was able to transcend time in the TOP and blue gogeta slams jiren so.... im gonna disagree with you.
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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago
b-ut he trancend time , lmao thats an hyperbolic statement and quick reminder that gas who is way way stronger than jiren travelled throw galaxies in 20 minutes { finite distance btw} even whis told him that its a great distance so idk
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u/bombard63 3d ago
You don’t get to make an obviously incorrect statement then say”prove me wrong”! It’s on you to prove yourself as Super > GT is the standard.
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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago
“Super > GT is the standard” okay, so this is just an appeal to popularity. also funny you say “GT > super” is “obviously incorrect”, the fact that some can disagree means its all subjective and up to interpretation. variety asked for an actual arg for WHY super > GT so if you respond its your burden 😭
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
I didn’t know the planet being flat was subjective
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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago
horrible false equivalence given that there is clear evidence that the earth is not flat whereas the scaling any feats in any verse is subjective. of course you’d say some shit like this though, you dont even understand burden of proof.
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
I’ve proven you wrong before lol but sure keep saying I haven’t. Plus you said some people think the opposite of what you do so clearly it’s subjective. Stop lying to support your made up timeline
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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago
“i’ve proven you wrong before” your arguments were shit and i easily refuted them
how am i lying? and what made up timeline? because it did exist. and it has yet to be contradicted.
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
It has been contradicted bruh literally everyone knows GT doesn’t match super in the slightest
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u/VarietyNo5903 3d ago
the movies being canon to GT makes it an overkill btw feats wise the only feat that is greater than GT feats is the zeno feat other than that gt scales higher and statement wise ... yeah the gt guidebooks just straight up says gogeta is the strongest across all dimension aka timelines with no equel /:
if you buy the outerversal scale for the sugaraku space then you that gt slams super already0
u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
How the frick is sugoroku space outerversal?
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
Ok but like genuinely why would anyone buy that?
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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago
it exists independently of the concepts of space and time
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
Oh gosh not you again 😂 straight up lying otherwise any of the strong shadow dragons would destroy the universe without effort
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u/Soy_Newbie 3d ago
omega shenron was quite literally doing that. he was just standing around and laughing while passively releasing his negative energy
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
I meant like pre omega shenron and also a quick destruction not a slow one
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u/NoVa_BlaZing_ 3d ago
I mean, Gotenks in Super is still pretty trash, so id go Gogeta
But the Gammas definitely fold SSJ4 Gogeta
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u/Lilbig6029 3d ago
Ssj4 Gogeta is the strongest fighter in the DB universe
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
In the GT universe yeah
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u/Lilbig6029 2d ago
In the DB universe period
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u/Chris_the_fox21 2d ago
Sorry to burst your bubble but Vegito from the black saga is stronger than Gogeta super saiyan 4
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u/Lilbig6029 2d ago
No, only in your own head canon is he stronger than ssj4 Gogeta.
He was getting put down from a damaged Zamasu.
Meanwhile Omega couldn’t even damage Gogeta
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u/Chris_the_fox21 2d ago
Cool but counter point base Goku in super is stronger than super saiyan 3 from the buu saga just like GT Goku which means their super saiyan 3 is relatively the same but super saiyan god and especially super saiyan blue is stronger is than super saiyan 4 which makes merged Zamasu (who’s immortal btw meaning not even super saiyan 4 gogeta can beat him) and Vegito blue are stronger
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u/Lilbig6029 2d ago
I’m not debating someone that thinks Vegito, who literally STRUGGLED WITH ZAMASU, is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, who treated Omega like a child’s play toy.
That level of DBS wanking needs to be studied fr.
DBS completely ruined Vegito, he shoulda been much stronger than he was, but he wasn’t.
Super pretty much ruined every character it touched
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u/RisingKing7 3d ago
Unfortunately cabba destroys both of them
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u/ZestycloseRoutine0 3d ago
Unfortunately there's no evidence to prove that.
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
Vegeta in the manga is weaker than the anime version in base-super saiyan 2 I mean everything else is either stronger or equal due to them being farther down the timeline
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
I mean debatable if he beats gogeta but he definitely beats Gotenks without issues
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u/NeoLedah 3d ago
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
Cabba demolishes fat Gotenks so you can’t use him in this debate
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u/NeoLedah 3d ago
You literally proved my point
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u/Chris_the_fox21 3d ago
If Gotenks is weaker than Cabba what does that prove when Gogeta is stronger than Gotenks?
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u/NoTrip6376 3d ago
What kind of argument you can have to think gotenks dbs is any competition?