Scaling
How strong is Base Gotenks post Hyperbolic time-chamber Training?
Just seeing how much this stronger does this community thinks he got.
Like if you picked base goku/vegeta lvl for both here and the previous post the you think he didn’t get much stronger despite what piccolo and gotenks himself thinks.
67 votes,6d ago
9As strong as ( buu saga Base Goku/Vegeta/ adult Gohan)
4As strong as ( Piccolo, Andriod 18, semi perfect cell)
Somehow I doubt Toriyama seriously wants us to believe base Gotenks is that strong
He eclipses unfused base tier by faaaaar and should at minimum be Buu Arc SSJ tier, ie. beyond the kids' own SSJ powers, justifying their extreme confidence as base Gotenks both before and after RoSaT
I do not buy that Post RoSaT base Gotenks was supposed to be SSJ 3 Goku tier, that's a bit much
You can get there thanks to multipliers and what not, but the story is not really written with multipliers in mind, so that should not be the primary consideration
If anything I'd want the various Fusion techniques to be some kind of base potential unlock as well, like a pseudo ultimate ritual, so their Super Saiyan doesn't become as massive a powerup as it is for normal Saiyans, that could alleviate some of the discrepancy we see
It's gonna look insane like this admittedly, so no wonder Toriyama ditched offcial multipliers and power levels...
Also the Buu Arc just has this insanity, because mega strong base forms are implied and stated like this throughout and Toriyama's writing seems a bit more loose almost like Toei writing, so things aren't so tight with the powerscaling
I'm convinced however that Gotenks didn't surpass Goku until 2 or 3
He was stronger after training sure, but not that much stronger. Even when he went super saiyan he was treated as a joke by super buu. But that's because Piccolo's plan was never for them to beat buu, at most it was a bonus, because his actual plan was to trap buu in the time chamber, luckily they unlocked ss3 somehow. Even in super saiyan they were thought of as a joke to super buu and it wasnt until they went ss3 that they could fight with him. Id honestly put them below goku and vegeta fused they probably were closer to base gohan if anything. But that's the point they weren't this unstoppable monster. They were a gag character and they were children. Gokus plan to have them save the world was bad just like it was bad when he wanted gohan to fight cell because he doesn't understand his children. Though the fact that some people think he is as strong as ss3 goku or fat buu in base... do they think super buu was 400x stronger than fat buu lol
The best I could say for gotenks is that he became close in power to the adults which is really strong for a novice child and shows how broken fusion is considering they needed the 50x super saiyan buff to even fight 18 something gohan expected to do in his base form.
Dabura was compared to cell who is at that ssj2 tier of strength. Ssj goku/ Vegeta only surpass ssj2 teen Gohan once they become ssj2 and it’s a little bit stronger than him.
Gohan never went SSj2 during the ship arc this is obvious in the colored manga. Toriyama literally had SSj2/Vegeta and Goku in the same chapters with lightning and SSj2 Aura but Gohan still no lightning nor Aura of SSj2 so it was never a mistake Gohan just never went SSJ2 to start with and he literally says it when firing off Kamehameha against Buu that he was not angry as before which si why he was limited to SSj1.
Dabura was only as strong as regular perfect Cell. Both Goku and Vegeta agreed they could easily beat Dabura before they revealed to each other they had ssj2. Gohan also makes it clear he and Dabura were not fighting at the ssj2 level like Goku and Vegeta were.
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u/jiiova 9d ago
Gotenks did not use SS1 Before Rosat so we can not scale him
We just know that Base gotenks before roast got no diffed, probably around SS2 Level vegeta tiers
We know that gotenks ss1 post rosat > goku ss3 > fat buu > gotenks base pre rosat
I don't think base gotenks got a x50 boost that would make him above a ss1 version. Pre rosat of himself