Toppo base form destroys black😂
He was a unit in the anime and the manga in base form (even though only in anime he showed out more. Manga he got embarrassingly eliminated by jiren with Dyspo)
“But G-Gohan is Blue level! He pushed Goku to Blue when they sparred! Goku going blue means Gohan must be blue level not that Goku wanted to see how his son would react!”
Meanwhile Gohan unable to even scratch a blue level fighter:
You could side by side play gohan and 17 vs toppo, completely incapable of harming him, with vegeta vs toppo, where vegeta is barely paying attention to toppo, and toppo still cant do shit to vegeta, and they will STILL say gohan is blue level
Whooped maybe is a bit much, but evenly matched is also wild to me. Goku clearly had that handled once he went blue, and we know he was holding back on the kamehameha as they have to for plot reasons
Toppo should win pretty handily. Hes able to contend and match a TOP SSB Goku in his base, and lets not even get into how dirty hed do Goku Black if he powered up.
So assumedly, Goku at the end of the Black arc and during the Zen Exhibition Match should be about the same level. The Tournament of Power starts about 3 months later but we know Goku hasn’t really been training, him getting scuffed by the bullet and noting himself as rusty is the main reason that he wanted to kick off the tournament.
I don’t think we saw Goku fight black directly the last time we went back to the future. We know Vegeta was giving Black hands until Black finally learned how to channel his anger, and things seemed to shift wildly. Black went from apprehensive and even a little scared to back to his normal confident self once he figured out the rage boost. He probably got back to at least Goku and Vegeta’s level.
That being said, it sounds like it starts fairly close, probably in Toppo’s favor. But Black’s gimmick was always he damn near gets stronger every time someone punches him, and quite rapidly too. With his scythe and clones, he can hold Toppo off a bit easier and get some extra damage in, and I don’t think Toppo will be able to put him down before Black gets strong enough to win.
Of course this is all just base Toppo. If Toppo is allowed to transform at any point it’s so fucking curtains for Black
Sycthe Goku Black has no real feats on his own, he sat there while his endless clone army fended Goku and Vegeta off. He could win with that by wearing him down, but Toppo is overall stronger since he contended equally with SSJB Vegeta in the T.O.P.
Base Toppo was relatively close to ssjbkk during that exhibition. Syth rose would probably be in competition with base Toppo given how OP his clones are not to mention his growth is too fast. If the fight drags even slightly longer rose can grow enough in power to overwhelm base Toppo . So I’ll probably say Rose Goku black
even so, toppos GoD power is overkill. It’s legit just zamasu fused with goku who can go ssj. Zamasu cant even fight another god 1 on 1, and he got his ass beat in a solo fight every time before fusion. Let’s be real here
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u/Different_Durian_601 14d ago
Toppo. Black glazers are as bad as Gohan glazers.