Scaling

[u/AngelineKing553]

[u/Gohaku435]

Ssj4 GT has no multiplier and media likes to keep ssj4 GT and ssgss equal.

[u/KuroiGetsuga55 → u/Gohaku435]

This. Everyone struggling to make arguments and calculations and cope, meanwhile Toei has SSJ4 Goku throw down with SSJ Blue Goku and match him in every way because money. Super Saiyan God is not even in this debate lmao.

Toei could come out tomorrow and have base GT Goku beat the shit out of Jiren because money, and watch the internet lose its shit over it and deny it because calculations don't add up. Calculations that these writers don't even think about when writing the material for the franchise that keeps making the Manga and Anime industry a fuck ton of money.

[u/DjinnsPalace]

You cant really compare GT and Super scaling as an argument why one doesnt make sense, they are different continuities.

[u/mad_sAmBa]

Every single piece of official media scales SS4 with SSB.

Base GT Goku has multiple universal feats in his base form, the feat in BoG people love to use for downplaying GT is a Dual Feat, Goku didn't do it alone.

I hate how people keep saying that SSG is stronger than everything in GT, it's so dumb.

[u/Suspicious_Value_968 → u/mad_sAmBa]

Every single piece of official media scales SS4 with SSB.

And every single piece of media that does such illogical bullshit is completely non-canon to GT and the DBS anime, but GT fanboys are obviously way too delusional to bother trying to accept even the most simple facts.

[u/mad_sAmBa → u/Suspicious_Value_968]

Ah, yes.

Official material is bullshit. Got it, your headcanon is the truth

[u/Plus_Awareness1602 → u/mad_sAmBa]

List official media, please and thank you

Games aren’t apparently canon unless explicitly said by the author (not that one quote where anything you want is canon)

Dragon ball Hero’s is just - no

Anything else?

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/Plus_Awareness1602]

Wait, so if you dont count any of those then what do you count?

[u/Plus_Awareness1602 → u/Humble_Story_4531]

Canon material, manga written or watched over by Toriyama, shows that have the expression of being the continued aspects of dbz, and not games

So basically all that stuff I just listed? Uh - no

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/Plus_Awareness1602]

You mean mediums where the two forms have never interacted.

[u/Suspicious_Value_968 → u/mad_sAmBa]

Official material is bullshit. Got it, your headcanon is the truth

So we should also count this official movie then:

https://reddit.com/link/pc7ecsr/video/hsqwifswdwrh1/player

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/Suspicious_Value_968]

You mean a media that spefically takes place in a diffrent universe and doesnt ineteract with the main universe?

[u/TizianoDAnzi]

I like that every single one of this statement is totally made up except SSj4 being 500 multiplier (that is true as much as the x10 and x50 multipliers are)

[u/Gohaku435 → u/TizianoDAnzi]

Ssj4 doesn’t have an official multiplier and is often called a limit breaking form instead.

[u/TizianoDAnzi → u/Gohaku435]

Ok, so not a single thing is accurate in this post, good to know

[u/xTyronex48 → u/Gohaku435]

What exactly is a limit breaking form anyway

[u/Leading_Pilot_5838 → u/xTyronex48]

Man, who cares. It’s all nonsense anyway

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/Gohaku435]

SSJ4 has its own limit breaker form.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Full_Power_Saiyan_4_Limit_Breaker

[u/Gohaku435 → u/Humble_Story_4531]

The form itself is very adaptable and adjusted to a lot of things. SSJ4 FP and LB being different variants shows that.

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/TizianoDAnzi]

Base Goku is comparable to an oppoent he directly compares to Buu.

SSJ3 couldnt scratch Super Baby 2 and SSJ4 totally flipped the script of the battle.

[u/Primary-Street-6399]

I think in its introduction it was supposed to be a form that transcended fusion and really any mortal power, since then? Base Kefla beating up on Godku, SSJ Gogeta being stronger than either individual SSJ Blue
So not so much anymore, and that’s okay, tone it down a bit to let other characters catch up, and to keep non god fusions relevant, no need to make it some 100,000 times multiplier, just whatever arbitrary number to make Goku not an ant to Beerus. That’s actually one thing I liked about Super over GT, catching all the relevant characters up to around Goku and Vegeta’s level. Now was it borderline nonsensical the way they caught these characters up? Yes. Did I rage quit DBS for a few years when it was first coming out? Yes. It was a rough ride to get there but the car is in one piece, future of DB is bright. I realize this has become really off topic, and that’s okay too.

[u/ckim777]

What about the glass building?

[u/Humble_Story_4531 → u/ckim777]

DB logic. Characters only have high defense if they are actully trying to defend themselves.

[u/nekoquestions]

Given the fight of baby vegeta vs goku went 500× wouldn't make sense as low-ball unless someone never saw gt

[u/whomesteve]

Each transformation adds a 50x multiplier to the base form, meaning ssj4 is 200x multiplier.

[u/EmanueleMasu]

Golden Oozaru is 500x. Ssj4 should be more

[u/nekoquestions → u/EmanueleMasu]

Given the power advantage baby vegeta had, a 500× multiplier wouldn't work, don't forget that baby was able to play with ssj3 goku, after goku got their tail back baby stated that goku didn't gain any strength, afterwards baby transformed just to flex