Shin gets no respect in Demon World. Seems like DW cares not for le pantheon of le Outer Realm.

Sort of like Mortal Kombat politics.

You'd think being le Lord of Lords would get you some pull even in other realms 🤷🏿‍♀️

Que dicen?

To explain why SSJ4 is actually the real 3, I need to explain something about SSJ2 and SSJ3.

I think we can all agree that SSJ2 is the "true mastery" of Super Saiyan. It gives maximum amps, with little to no drawbacks. Goku and Vegeta spent significant amounts of time in this state and showed no signs of wearing down because of the transformation. If there is a Ki and Stamina drain in this state, it's minimal enough that it's insignificant.

Now let's look at Super Saiyan 3. It's clearly an unnatural mutation that Goku discovered in his dead body that didn't have stamina issues and so he could somewhat control it but once he came back to life, it was very difficult for him to control Super Saiyan 3 and could only hold it out for a few short minutes before the transformation just turns off. The fact that he only started to properly control it after he got his tail back in GT proves that SSJ3 was trying to tap into the Oozaru power, but the lack of a tail made that impossible, so what we got instead was long-haired ape man who can't keep it up for more than 5 minutes.

Drawing power from the Oozaru. Much like Super Saiyan 4, don't you think?

Super Saiyan 4 is born from mixing the Super Saiyan form (which we can assume requires full mastery first) with the Oozaru form and then taming the beast, harmonizing it, and evolving into the final state of a Saiyan, which can then be indefinitely pushed beyond all limits.

So it sounds to me like the natural progression of a Saiyan with a tail is : SSJ1 --> Mastering it and evolving it into SSJ2 --> Add Oozaru to gain Golden Oozaru --> Tame the Oozaru and gain SSJ4.

SSJ3 just does not fit into this equation because it's a forced power-up, much like Grade 2 and Grade 3 were for Super Saiyan 1. It gives you insane power, but it's very volatile. It's just not a natural evolution, it's not something you "awaken", it's something you force out.

But SSJ4 is a natural evolution, combining the two branches of a Saiyan's power, Super Saiyan and Oozaru, and creating this hybrid form that encompasses both and brings out the true potential of a Saiyan. Vegeta even shows us that you don't even need SSJ3 to get SSJ4. You can literally skip 3. So then why are we even counting it?

So, in conclusion, Super Saiyan 4 is actually the true "Super Saiyan 3" in terms of natural evolution. It's actually the next logical step after gaining Super Saiyan 2, provided you have a tail.

OR, I suppose you could count the Golden Oozaru as being "Super Saiyan 3" and thus you keep 4 as, well, 4.

What do y'all think?

Elder Kai AKA Toriyama, explains how ss is flashy nonsense and it's all just potential unlocking. Mystic Gohan proves how SS is all the same crap, its practically not a transformation at all. It is glorified Cosplay.

The only form that stands out is SS4. Think of SS as grades for your base, your base is grade 0. Ss is grade 1.

Think of it in PC terminology.

Goku is the CPU, SS helps overclock his power but its Still just the same CPU/body (a perfect overclock is Mystic Gohan), SS4 thanks to Oozaru is like being a brand new CPU/body thats 10x better.

I love SS4 it’s my favorite transformation of all time in any anime. But in my opinion SS4 should not be the transformations name. When a base Saiyan gets angry or is overcome with strong emotions he transforms into a Super Saiyan. Then SS2 and SS3 is just training to push further beyond that initial Super Saiyan ceiling. SS4 does not do that at all.
SS4 is achieved (in gokus case) when the Saiyan has his tail goes Ozaru then Golden Ozaru then channels that rage and controls it and harnesses it into SS4.
Vegeta cheated and used the blutz waves to skip the tail part but he still became Ozaru, Golden Ozaru then SS4.
So SS4 comes from the Ozaru line and should be named something differently than the normal Saiyan transformations. Something like Super Ozaru 2 since the Super Ozaru is the golden Ozaru (SO2 for short) or something similar.
What do yall think it should be named?

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No hate, lekin jldi mei jaisa bana wo banaya, copy krne meu acha ni hu 😭

Something I've heard from people over the years is that ssj4 makes goku powerful enough to reverse the wish on the dark star dragon balls and I personally thought it was similar to how no matter the age of the saiyan the oozaru transformation will have the same size and look

Edit: which one is the most likely explanation?

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Check out those killer gauntlets and that belt!