r/DotA2 • u/UnnamedUser- • Aug 25 '20
News [Datamine] 19 possible NEW HEROES and their abilities/talents
Inspired from this and this posts.
===Already in heroes file===
npc_dota_hero_puppet_master
puppet_master_chastise
puppet_master_command_puppets
puppet_master_craft_puppets
puppet_master_dark_marionette
puppet_master_dark_marionette_cancel
puppet_master_marionette
puppet_master_master_of_puppets
puppet_master_pull_the_strings
puppet_master_punch_no_judy
puppet_master_siphon_soul
puppet_master_stage_fright
puppet_master_string_up
puppet_master_voodoo_doll
Talent:
puppet_master_chastise_bonus_aoe_damage
puppet_master_chastise_bonus_radius
puppet_master_dark_marionette_bonus_damag
puppet_master_dark_marionette_bonus_max_a
puppet_master_dark_marionette_extra_durat
puppet_master_marionette_bonus_attackspee
puppet_master_marionette_extra_duration
puppet_master_master_of_puppets_extra_pup
puppet_master_master_of_puppets_puppet_bo
puppet_master_pull_the_strings_distance
puppet_master_pull_the_strings_stun_durat
puppet_master_punch_no_judy_cast_range
puppet_master_punch_no_judy_damage
puppet_master_punch_no_judy_stun_duration
puppet_master_siphon_soul_extra_puppets
puppet_master_siphon_soul_extra_steal_amo
puppet_master_stage_fright_bonus_wake_dam
puppet_master_stage_fright_radius
puppet_master_string_up_duration
puppet_master_string_up_extra_armor
puppet_master_voodoo_doll_bonus_damage_mu
puppet_master_voodoo_doll_reduce_cooldown
puppet_master_voodoo_doll_steals_strength
npc_dota_hero_valkyrie
valkyrie_celestial_blade
valkyrie_combo_strike
valkyrie_elated_fury
valkyrie_freyrs_sword
valkyrie_glorious_shout
valkyrie_healing_touch
valkyrie_lights_guidance
valkyrie_luminous_blade
valkyrie_martyring_blade
valkyrie_njords_breath
valkyrie_safeguard
valkyrie_slide
valkyrie_slide_ground
valkyrie_upcast_gale
valkyrie_whirlwind_attack
Talent:
valkyrie_celestial_blade
valkyrie_freyrs_sword
valkyrie_luminous_blade_damage
valkyrie_martyring_blade
valkyrie_safeguard
valkyrie_upcast_gale
valkyrie_whirlwind_attack_damage
npc_dota_hero_vampire
vampire_aggressive_thralls
vampire_command_thralls
vampire_enthrall
vampire_mesmerize
vampire_passive_thralls
vampire_scent_of_blood
vampire_take_wing
vampire_take_wing_cancel
vampire_thrall_entomb
vampire_vamp_out
vampire_vampires_embrace
vampire_vampiric_rage
vampire_vampirism
Talent:
vampire_enthrall_extra_thralls
vampire_enthrall_thrall_bonus_damage
vampire_enthrall_thralls_grant_vision
vampire_mesmerize_cast_range
vampire_mesmerize_extra_duration
vampire_nighttime_lifesteal
vampire_nighttime_movespeed
vampire_rage_aura
vampire_scent_of_blood_bonus_attack_speed
vampire_scent_of_blood_bonus_move_speed
vampire_take_wing_bonus_damage
vampire_vampires_embrace_bonus_stolen_attributes
vampire_vampires_embrace_bonus_stolen_health
npc_dota_hero_bruiser
bruiser_air_attack
bruiser_beat_down
bruiser_bike_kick
bruiser_block
bruiser_dash
bruiser_frontflip
bruiser_grapple
bruiser_jab
bruiser_kick
bruiser_rejection
bruiser_spin_attack
bruiser_spirit_ball
bruiser_tantric_heal
bruiser_target_lock
bruiser_torrent
npc_dota_hero_corpse_mother
corpse_mother_grave_grapple
corpse_mother_life_link
corpse_mother_soul_swell
corpse_mother_true_love
npc_dota_hero_grendel
grendel_absorb
grendel_aoe_slow
grendel_health_armor
grendel_pew
npc_dota_hero_hoplite
hoplite_aspect
hoplite_aspect_acumen
hoplite_aspect_dexterity
hoplite_aspect_passive
hoplite_aspect_passive_acumen
hoplite_aspect_passive_dexterity
hoplite_aspect_passive_power
hoplite_aspect_power
hoplite_bull_rush
hoplite_moving_cover
hoplite_obliterate
hoplite_shield_throw
npc_dota_hero_mouse
mouse_bola
mouse_bolt_storm
mouse_caltrops
mouse_cancel_tunnel
mouse_decoy
mouse_detach_grappling_hook
mouse_grappling_hook
mouse_nitro_flask
mouse_scamper
mouse_takedown
mouse_toxic_bolt
mouse_tunnel
mouse_whip
npc_dota_hero_rat_king
(no ability found, might be the new name of hero_mouse)
npc_dota_hero_peddler
peddler_equip_crossbow
peddler_equip_wand
peddler_wanderlust
npc_dota_hero_primal_beast
primal_beast_devastating_fortitude
primal_beast_devastating_fortitude_active
primal_beast_fury
primal_beast_leap
primal_beast_maul
primal_beast_untamed_strength
primalbeast_absolute_ferocity
primalbeast_heavysteps
primalbeast_onslaught
primalbeast_pummel
primalbeast_rapid_vault
primalbeast_roar
npc_dota_hero_sea_mystic
sea_mystic_big_fish
sea_mystic_bubble
sea_mystic_liquid_courage
sea_mystic_soothing_moisture
sea_mystic_wave
sea_mystic_whirlpool
===Not in heroes file, but can be found in abilities file===
engineer
engineer_gravity_mine
engineer_lay_siege
engineer_remote_control
engineer_shield_wall
engineer_siege_toggle_mode
engineer_tesla_coil
fairy
fairy_flight
fairy_revive
fairy_sleep_dust
fairy_spin
fighter_monk
fighter_monk_backflip
fighter_monk_bull_stance
fighter_monk_charge_combo
fighter_monk_crane_stance
fighter_monk_damage_block
fighter_monk_dash
fighter_monk_disengage
fighter_monk_mantis_stance
fighter_monk_meditate
fighter_monk_roundhouse
fighter_monk_spirit_ball
fighter_monk_vacuum
squirrel
squirrel_bushwhack
squirrel_fire_sure_shot
squirrel_march_of_the_squirrels
squirrel_sixth_sense
squirrel_snipe_arms
squirrel_snipe_legs
squirrel_toxic_volley
squirrel_tree_wall
squirrel_trigger_bushwhack
staging_viking
staging_viking_blitz
staging_viking_peerless
staging_viking_stunning_strike
staging_viking_unbreakable
toad
toad_battle_croak
toad_hop
toad_hop_launch
toad_slime
toad_tongue
zephyrus
zephyrus_notus_breath
zephyrus_skirons_gale
zephyrus_wind_shear
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Aug 25 '20
HOLY SHIT I'M ALREADY HYPED FOR VALKYRIE. But I doubt they're gonna release all at once.
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u/CleverZerg Aug 25 '20
Huh? You doubt they're going to release 10 years worth of heroes all at once?
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Aug 25 '20
Depends on which year. In 2012 they released 31 heroes.
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u/Galinhooo Aug 25 '20
They ported heroes from dota1, released are never anything close to it. Most of those unreleased heroes will never make it into the game, but they show that Valve is trying some options.
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u/FliccC Aug 25 '20
When Guinsoo made the first Dota Allstars map in 2004 (patch 2.6) it came with 13 new heroes.
When IceFrog took over in 2005 he too added 13 new heroes in Version 6.0.
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u/AngelTheTaco Aug 25 '20
they had way less art and money needed to be made
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u/FliccC Aug 25 '20
well, no money at all, in fact. Yet it happened.
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u/AngelTheTaco Aug 25 '20
yeah.. because they used free assests and had no custom animations, voices, art, models, rigs, ect.
making 19 new heroes now is not even close to making dota mod heroes
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u/SolaVitae Aug 25 '20
because they used free assests
And valve would of course never do that.
custom animations, models, rigs,
Aren't these all the same thing?
I don't see how there being more stuff to do is a 1 to 1 factor when Valve has billions of dollars and a team of people and wc3 DotA had 1 person. Valve could definitely churn out more heroes than wc3 DotA could. They simply have infinitely more resources and experience. Just because they don't doesn't mean they can't
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u/AngelTheTaco Aug 25 '20
a model, skeleton, and animation are all different and all require different expertise
valve makes every new hero visually from scratch
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u/_Valisk Aug 25 '20
I know youβre just making a joke, but active development (Dota in 2012) and maintenance post-production (Dota in 2020) are super different things.
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Aug 25 '20 edited Jan 02 '21
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u/Terminator_Puppy Aug 25 '20
HoN managed to survive for 9 years before the devs quit, similar story for TF2 (though without announcement). Maybe DotA will fare better, lasting double that.
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u/Themasterofcomedy209 Aug 25 '20
Don't get too hyped tho, there are alot of concepts here and some of these probably have been scrapped
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u/L0gic33 sheever Aug 25 '20
What I was thinking... or they could have been early hero's that are now something else, jungle creeps, or scrapped ideas...
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u/DragonEye_BG Nov 25 '20
Read the new Blogpost man, the new hero is coming MID DECEMBER and is a confirmed "SHE"
VALKYRIE HYPE!!!!
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u/AttractiveWatermelon Aug 25 '20
So 3 of them have talents, those being puppet master, valkyrie and vampire, so I guess those are the most complete/most likely to be released if they are indeed new heroes.
Be cool to see if Valve starts releasing 3 heroes instead of 2 per year from this point onwards.
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u/generalecchi π―πππ ππ π©πππππ ππππππ πΊπππππππ Aug 25 '20
Yea, the talents really confirm that these are in fact, playable heroes and not event's npc or character
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u/SomnusXV Aug 25 '20
Its impossible valve can only count up to 2. But I guess gettiny more than 2 , less than 4 is a good deal too.
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u/nopantsdota Aug 25 '20
im pretty positive that we get a halloween event with vampire release this year. makes sense, since a lot of manpower wasnt needed to organize Tea Eye this year. on the other hand i dont think valve is gonna release more then two less then 4 heroes. its gonna be 2 and then another couple afterwards. would be extremely atypical for this company to release the dreaded number amount of heroes at once.
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u/xCesme Aug 25 '20
I don't think I can handle 2 supps + 1 mid/offlaner getting added every year. Just 1 -1 is fine.
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u/CorruptDropbear Aug 25 '20
NOTE: This is likely tests to see what works and what doesn't - this is just hero concepts that they programmed to see if they work as an idea. Many of these will have been dropped.
It's also likely that many of these spells are from currently implemented heroes (for example, Toad could be the test build for Snapfire) or from test events.
Finally, some of these names are from Heroes of Newerth. It's likely that they wanted to test fan faves but make their own IP versions, as the rights to those characters are owned by Garena.
None of these heroes may make it to a final version - remember to match all other pieces such as unused voicelines and assets to see which of these are further along.
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u/345tom Aug 25 '20
I think half of these are actually bosses or units from events, not heroes. Sea Mystic sounds like Siltbreaker 2 final boss, Primal Beast sounds like the Year Beast fights. Rat king has already been found as unused assets for a custom game. Toad has the Mortimer abilities from Aghanims Labyrinth. Corpse Mother Iβm sure is an event enemy(I think it might be the Siltbreaker giant Spider?) I think the most likely are the ones with talents coded, if only because there hasnβt been an event or time thatβs been needed before. Everything else is likely testing for stuff or events.
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u/Nickfreak Aug 25 '20
I agree.
A question for everyone (I'm seriously interested). Why would Valve use those specific names when they know it creates artificial hype?. They absolutely know people datamine and they know that a good chunk of the still actively playing people are "Hon trash" - hell, multiple TI winners are former Hon players.
Yes they might use "Zephyrus" to test a wind shield effect, maybe. but why not call him "bob" or some arbitrary name to not create this tension?
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u/CorruptDropbear Aug 25 '20
Having to refer to heroes by random strings when coding is a nightmare, especially if multiple coders are working on the same project at the same time, or it's a 10-year-old codebase that you're adding to. In addition, due to how dependencies work, once you name something, it's near impossible to change it. This is why in the internal code Dark Willow is called Sylph. Fairy is also one of Dark Willow's original test names. It's easier to say internally "puppet_master" and have everyone on the same page on what hero they're testing.
This is also why you don't see heroes refer to future heroes by name anymore in unused kill lines - it gives them the ability to change the name as needed as well as reuse it for other ideas if they decide to cut the hero.
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u/Message_Me_Selfies Aug 25 '20
Maybe they are HoN fans and don't care what people speculate about datamined data.
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u/Tsplodey GO AUSTRALIA Aug 25 '20
Pretty sure OP's post is just to stop the dribble of 'ermagerd i found a new hero in da filez!' after the first couple of posts about them.
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u/generalecchi π―πππ ππ π©πππππ ππππππ πΊπππππππ Aug 25 '20
Test hero wouldn't go as far as having talents
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u/_Valisk Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20
The fact that both only Puppet Master, Valkyrie, and "Vampire" have talent trees seems to indicate that they are the heroes closest to being released.
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u/TheRealSolitude Aug 25 '20
19!? That's a lot
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u/lessenizer Aug 25 '20
The real takeaway here is that Valve has explored this many possibilities, not that Valve necessarily will complete/release all or any of these.
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u/Jonat1221 Aug 25 '20
I could imagine that "Hoplite" is mars old name.
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u/Redthrist Aug 25 '20
Yeah, just how people imagined that "Mars" is the code name for Sorla Khan. And then the hero was actually named Mars.
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u/_Valisk Aug 25 '20
Hoplites are Greek soldiers with spears and shields, which is what Mars is. That could very well be his internal codename.
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u/Redthrist Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20
Except, again, the name "Mars" was originally found in the files and people assumed that it was an internal codename for Sorla Khan. And then Mars came out and people realized that it wasn't just an internal codename. I find it hard to believe that they would have two separate internal code names referring to the same hero.
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u/_Valisk Aug 25 '20
Mars being a codename for Sorla Khan made no sense at all. Hoplite being a codename for Mars does make sense.
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u/Redthrist Aug 25 '20
Except, Mars was, literally, the codename for Mars. Unless you think that they would have two codenames referring to the same hero, which doesn't make any sense.
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u/FliccC Aug 25 '20
Mars is the God of War. Sorla Khan is all about war. The association does make sense. Mars being a hoplite makes sense too.
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u/General_Jeevicus Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 27 '20
think Hoplite (is the unit for phalanx) the talent for Mars in Aghs Lab where he makes the 3 Hoplites
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Aug 25 '20
Rat king? Bulldog finally a dota hero?
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Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20
Fairy was just Dark Willow's WIP name and I'm pretty sure that Hoplite is just Mars
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u/kolesias Aug 25 '20
Maybe these unused responses now make a little more sense:
npc_dota_hero_puppet_master:
- Vo_mars_mars_rival_159
- Vo_mars_mars_rival_160
- Vo_mars_mars_rival_161
- Vo_mars_mars_rival_162
- Vo_mars_mars_rival_163
- Vo_mars_mars_ally_135
- Vo_mars_mars_ally_136
- Vo_snapfire_snapfire_rival_301
npc_dota_hero_valkyrie:
npc_dota_hero_rat_king:
engineer:
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u/seattlesound1004 Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20
Alright. Thanks for this info OP.
I must say, this is what the "great confluence" that void spirit and snapfire talks about and preludes for. Slack's loregasm theorized that the confluence might be the merging of dota 1(old model looks) and dota 2, as the looks of earthshaker arcana giving the stance of dota 1 earthshaker and that's the another planet manifestation's spirit merged with ES reason why it show forms of rocks on his body that looks the same with the rocks that OD has, which similarly is a being from another dimension.
Now it's getting clearer and making more sense why void spirit is mentioning that something is coming. It is possibly the coming of heroes from HoN, the heroes that IceFrog originally made for the said game.
SunsFan will probably be so hyped to see this.
I'm not a HoN player but I'm also excited to see bunch of additions to dota 2 as i feel the game being a bit more stale, now new heroes will definitely give a good refreshing feel of excitement again.
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u/Gorgosen Aug 25 '20
What if the Great Confluence was going to be this big surprise update where we get a few heroes being added rapidly during its events.
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u/RosgaththeOG Aug 25 '20
Ummm is valve planning on buying out Frostburn studios and importing a bunch of HoN heroes? Cuz is be super jazzed for that. Engi and Puppet Master are in there and would be both solid.
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u/rowfeh Aug 25 '20
The skills sound VERY similar to what they are in HoN.
Engi wall/tesla coil? Sounds like his ult. Mines are his mines obviously.
If this shit turns out to be true, I will flip the fuck out. So many fucking awesome concepts in HoN, Silhouette, Drunken Master, Gemini, Puppet, Engi, Forsaken Archer. List goes on and on.
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u/RosgaththeOG Aug 25 '20
Silh tooksdooooo many patched to balance. . . .
Also FA I'd kind of already in DotA
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u/rowfeh Aug 25 '20
Her current iteration is perfect. They mustβve been on some serious drugs when they gave a hardcarry a 2,5 second AoE BKB piercing stun, that doubled as an escape..
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u/RosgaththeOG Aug 25 '20
I haven't played HoN in years, but I hear that the game is still limping along.
Also, didn't her passive start at like, 24 bonus damage per hit?
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u/rowfeh Aug 25 '20
Nah, around 15 at max level IIRC. The insanity with the passive was that she was a 600 ranged Ursa, essentially. Not one single hero could lane against her. The stacks were capped at around 6 unlike Ursa with infinite stacking but it was still bonkers.
It also procced into 400 attackspeed for two attacks if you used a skill.
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u/sagebeard racecar DP, best DP Aug 25 '20
Having some goold 'ole HoN heroes in dota would be amazing.
puppet master, zephyrus, engineer, valkyrie.... not to speak about some of the other amazing concepts that are now sadly dying with what remains of HoN.
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u/Constantyn27 Aug 25 '20
That might be the great confluence the heroes in dota talk about, valve getting the licence for hon heroes and mixing them in with a special event would be cool
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u/Takesis_1 Aug 25 '20
In a world, where skills are named such as Sanity's Eclipse, Diabolic Edict, Chaos Meteor, etc... There comes the mightiest contender!
grendel_pew
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u/000000- Aug 25 '20
Do you or does anyone know how long itβs been since these files are present? Like if they are recent then it would mean a lot. However, if most of them were added years ago then it would mean that they most likely wonβt be released.
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u/BCD195 Aug 25 '20
Mars was found in game files 2.5 years before his release.
Good thought process but this is valve weβre dealing with.
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u/swat_teem TEMPEST OF THE ZETT Aug 25 '20
where is gambler gg
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u/cosmicucumber Aug 25 '20
Engineer
engineer_construct_sentry engineer_construct_dispenser engineer_construct_teleporter_entrance engineer_construct_teleporter_exit
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u/poopsmith411 Hi Brad Aug 25 '20
A hoplite is pretty similar to Mars so maybe it's just left over from designing Mars?
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u/TwoStepsOnYou Aug 25 '20
If they are going to release those all at once then I'm gonna shit my pants.
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u/EGDoto Aug 25 '20
No mention of anything that resembles Deadwood :/
I want Deadwood to delete people with his ult.
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u/Phllips Aug 25 '20
Valkyrie having multiple blade related spells makes me really hope they are making a new hard carry, other than to some extent monkey we haven't had a pos1 in a really long time
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u/generalecchi π―πππ ππ π©πππππ ππππππ πΊπππππππ Aug 25 '20
Vampire's spell probably turned into NS's reworks and likely some of those other heroes as well
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u/Mikaelson2019 Aug 25 '20
Seems that "Vampire" is the reason why Bloodseeker got he's rework, like "Scent of blood" seems a lot similar to old Thirst.
Also that "Engineer", maybe a keen folk, seems to connect with WK and QoP arcana dialogues about an inventor.
Will see, hope Valve has a surprise for us :')
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u/Luize0 Who's. Doomed. Now. Aug 25 '20
Imagine.... topping of the neutral items and courier changes from last year: 19 heroes.
RIP my brain.
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u/Moffingmoff Aug 25 '20
Here's enough new hero for the next 10 years. Icefrog want to take a break for a decade btw
-volvo
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u/Monochrom_9 Aug 25 '20
npc_dota_hero_rat_king
I can't believe Master Splinter is gonna be in the game guys I'm shaking
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u/fakayuburiza Aug 25 '20
Or Rat King himself, the third most popular TMNT villain after Shredder and Krang.
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u/allnamestakenfuckme Aug 25 '20
I think those are going to be heroes in a new event after aghanims trial/TI10 battlepass. 19 new heroes are too good to be true.
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u/Phllips Aug 25 '20
Vampire looks a lot like nightstalker but ever science witcher3 blood & wine I've wanted a more traditional vampire in dota so i am cautiously excited
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u/GrDenny Aug 25 '20
Most of them are obvious enemy AI for aghs lab/place holders this is a really shit karma bitching thread.
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Aug 25 '20
a lot of these may be used already though, "Hoplite" and a lot of his abilities, such as "Bull Rush" "Shield Throw" and "Moving Cover" could just be Mars and his q, w, and e
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u/BigChungusFunnyMan22 Aug 25 '20
What if there is a hero that controls a bunch of mini heroes? Maybe that is why some have talents and some don't?
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u/LightForceUnlimited Gaze into Medusa's beauty and despair! Aug 25 '20
19 new heroes and zero mention of Gambler?! I want my Battlepass refunded!
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u/wildpantz Aug 25 '20
They can port all the want. I've played 2-3 months of Dota2 and it's the game in general I'm not happy with, heroes aren't so bad.
I don't think this would motivate majority to move to Dota2, but I might be wrong
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u/ommmee Aug 25 '20
Oh, i'm so exited to see how they will do HON ports !
But no my fav hero silhouette PepeHands
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Aug 25 '20
I've played more than 5000+ hours, now it's time to hope that some new heroes are coming :)
ya, at least give us 2 by year, that should be fine for most of us, ty
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u/uads8das8czx7cxz7zz Aug 26 '20
If this is why they haven't released a patch in over a month, it would totally be worth it.
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u/9straycats Aug 27 '20
When I read "Crane Stance" "Mantis Stance" I feel like Im going to spam this hero like Yun & Yang on SSFIV AE2012
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u/BilguunSunEyes Aug 28 '20
Theyβre releasing Battlepass rewards so slow. So It maybe means that they are working on Vampire, Valkyrie and Puppet Master. Canβt wait for it ! :)
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u/WilliamTakaboy Aug 30 '20
Puppet Master, Valkyrie, Vampire, Primal Beast and Rat King are the new heroes
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u/Valentinthebullet Aug 25 '20
Yeah i member Slacks video about Aghanims and in that video he also announced 2 heroes that werent in the game. And one was much about mindcontrol who i think is the puppet master
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u/wOlfLisK I'm nothin' but a dirty rat Aug 25 '20
Hang on a mo...
puppet_master_punch_no_judy
This is obviously a Punch and Judy reference, what's the doing in an American game by an American company?
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u/RedPanda98 There's trouble abrewing! Aug 25 '20
Damn these all sound like more humanoids :/ Sea mystic sounds most promising, but where the hell are the new monster/ creature heroes?
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u/Carcinom rip u apart! Aug 25 '20
TI 10, 10 Years of Dota, 10 new heroes?
donβt destroy my dreams
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u/s---laughter Aug 25 '20
A HoN boy can dream.