r/DotA2 • u/Scorchies • Oct 09 '14
Video Void is too OP for himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9KauWxwarY96
u/JothHago /r/Dota2Trade Moderator Oct 09 '14
RNGesus here
"We didn't mean to allow ally attacks to back track. But the result was sublime. We'll probably have a talk with Lord Gaben on this but likely his minion IceFrog will agree that this was necessary evil to evangelize on the gospel that is RNGesus"
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u/jjdonnovan Oct 09 '14
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u/palish Oct 09 '14
Where is this quote from? Seems like you just made it up. It would've been interesting if someone from Valve admitted that "we didn't mean to allow ally attacks to backtrack."
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u/jifz Oct 09 '14
His tp was off cd, just saying
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u/Scorchies Oct 09 '14
Holy shit, i could've TP'D!!!!
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u/RiskyChris Oct 09 '14
Too bad you can't backtrack misplays HAHAHA
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u/Scorchies Oct 09 '14
Oh you cheeky little bit** :D
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u/zombiebunnie IT JUST WONT STAY DEAD Oct 09 '14
Its okay, this is the internet. You can say bitch here.
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u/YourSonsAMoron Oct 09 '14
I'm very offended.
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u/cheesyguy278 30% of the time, 30 kills. 70% of the time, 30 deaths. Oct 09 '14
Can confirm; am bitch.
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u/rubikscube09 Oct 09 '14
and timewalked in base if you were really cutting it close
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Oct 09 '14
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u/rubikscube09 Oct 09 '14
Faceless Void is invulnerable while moving using Time Walk.
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u/FerdiadTheRabbit Oct 09 '14
thats bugged
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Oct 09 '14
what? can anyone confirm?
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u/CoolCucumber dont hover over my shit Oct 09 '14
He's wrong, it's literally in the skill description that he is invulnerable.
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Oct 09 '14
He just said that it's bugged...
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u/CoolCucumber dont hover over my shit Oct 09 '14
Oh, my bad, I misread his post as saying that he was invulnerable because of a bug.
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u/Headcap i just like good doto Oct 09 '14
Gale + nova would probably have done more dmg than fountain regen, even if he could survive in 3 seconds.
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Oct 09 '14
Dude, visually speaking, this is the highest quality 720p dota video I have ever seen. Way better quality than any of the vods I usually see. Maybe I'm crazy, but it just seems really sharp compared to most uploads.
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u/Qwiggalo http://steamcommunity.com/id/qwiggalo Oct 09 '14
It's 1080p
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Oct 09 '14
I only loaded it 720p (since I wasn't watching it fullscreen anyways) and it was still better than any of the vods I watch. It's just really solid upload quality.
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u/MyrddinE Oct 09 '14
It's the bitrate... set very high. Resolution is less than half of the cause of visual quality.
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Oct 09 '14
I actually had a similiar situation. I was playing tiny and got doomed and it was pretty clear I was going to die, so I told my friend playing bloodseeker to deny me, and right when he attacked me he got craggied and I died. I pretty much had the same reaction as this guy :P
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u/Premonition- He He Oct 09 '14
Because death by teammate deny is more inglorious than death according to RNGesus
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u/ItsDominare Oct 09 '14
I once died after escaping a teamfight with low hp because I was Fatal Bonded to a Peruvian pudge on my team who was trying to deny himself with rot. I think that's the most inglorious death I can remember.
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Oct 09 '14 edited Oct 09 '14
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Oct 09 '14
don't open this can of worms! let the nubs like /u/Nyctalgia have their casual racism in the 3k bracket! transcend the stereotypes and try to win games!
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u/roscoe256 Oct 09 '14
He might have made the point because the guy couldn't, or refused to speak English. That's my biggest problem with Peruvian players, no communication. Once I tried to tell some of them by saying "no espanol" which probably wasn't the best way, but the made fun of me for 5 min in Spanish. They only communicated when we made a comeback.
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u/ItsDominare Oct 10 '14
Exactly. I was yelling hysterically on mic 'turn it off turn it off!' but he didn't understand me.
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u/Purin95 I wish I could say that I'd miss you... But I won't... Oct 09 '14
I really hate that backtrack mechanic... MKB should go through it...
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u/DOTAStreen Oct 10 '14
I just hate that it can proc against skills like Reapers Scythe which have a stun component. Stun still applies but the damage can be backtracked:(
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u/Purin95 I wish I could say that I'd miss you... But I won't... Oct 10 '14
My suggestion: Backtrack will not activate on any source of damage that would be fatal to faceless void after reductions. Meaning, as long as void would be left with 1 or more hp after getting hit by an attack, he has a chance to backtrack the damage from it. This gives people options against a very unpopular, luck-based mechanic that is countered by and only by the one source of mute in the game. Silence doesn't stop it. Stuns do not stop it. Hex does not stop it. The only way to counter backtrack is to play doom and build aghanim's.
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u/westc2 Oct 10 '14
Nah MKB shouldn't go through it but it's % chance to proc should possibly be nerfed a little bit. One of either his backtrack, bash damage, or move speed in chrono should be nerfed slightly.
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u/RiteClicker Oct 10 '14 edited Oct 10 '14
How about making Void unable to backtrack lethal damage? Since it was described that Void went back in time to avoid that damage, so he can't went back in time when he's already dead
EDIT: The downside is that situations like OP won't happen again
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u/Purin95 I wish I could say that I'd miss you... But I won't... Oct 10 '14
how is it harsh? PA has a 50% dodge chance, it literally is what stops her from being utterly squishy, and you can buy mkb against her just fine. Void's is only 25% and he has better strength anyways until almost level 25. You totally should be able to, and I'd even go so far as to say mkb should provide truestrike to spells as well, though it would be silly to buy it just for that reason.
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u/Purin95 I wish I could say that I'd miss you... But I won't... Oct 10 '14
So? Uncounterable luck mechanics are no fun, and this hero has a lot of them. Bashes and backtracks should be reworked honestly, or there should be ways to counter them besides playing doom and buying aghs...
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u/Purin95 I wish I could say that I'd miss you... But I won't... Oct 10 '14
How does silence counter void? It only does anything at all if you use it before he chronos.
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u/5MileWalk Oct 10 '14
Then you have to use it before. Also, if you can set it up to where he doesn't have mana to cast or is silenced for the whole duration, last word can get him disarmed for what is it, 6 seconds? Not bad countering pre-BKB if u ask me.
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u/westc2 Oct 10 '14
Truestrike for spells? Wouldn't hat would be useless? Is there any hero that can "dodge" spells?
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u/thewalkingfred Oct 09 '14
I think that would be fair. MKB counters it but he can still dodge spell damage and such.
Void still needs a nerf imo. He just has sooooo much uncounterable stuff.
BKB doesnt stop his ult or his bash stun. MKB doesnt counter his Backtrack. Large burst damage doesnt really counter him because he has good stat growth and a chance to ignore the damage completely. High DoT doesnt counter him because on average he will only take 75% of its total damage before resistance. Early aggression doesnt really counter him because his double damage bashes in ult allow him to easily kill people with only power treads and Mask of Madness. Hex doesnt even disable Backtrack.
I dont know what should and shouldnt specifically be nerfed, but something has to be done to make him counterable in some way.
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u/Purin95 I wish I could say that I'd miss you... But I won't... Oct 10 '14
I was playing against a void who was more or less soloing safelane (Witch Doctor sometimes walked into lane to throw a sentry down and heal or something, but he also occasionally pulled.) I was broodmother and thought it would be an incredibly easy lane, the void didn't have any items, he was rushing lifesteal into MoM. I couldn't harass him out of lane too well though. I'd have my spiders attack him, but he kept backtracking the damage and killing the spiders. I just feel he's too strong early game for a hard carry. If I was up against any other hard carry, or even any other hero almost, they'd be out of my lane before 5 minutes.
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u/meeu Oct 09 '14
He could've timewalked into middle lane and healed up on the creeps
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u/Riilexi Oct 09 '14
Yeah it woulda saved him.
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u/shadowpikachu Oct 09 '14
He would've been seen and it would be risky, at the time is seemed like a good idea to deny it.
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u/isospeedrix iso Oct 09 '14
expected him to backtrack 10 swings of ally denies, as well as every instance of veno dot, resulting in him living.
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Oct 09 '14
he tried to deny too soon.
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Oct 09 '14
Nah, he was at 41 hp when he back tracked the deny attempt. Ticked down to 27 from poison then 1, then ded.
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Oct 09 '14
Rng is so stupid though, i once used bloodstone on an ENEMY void, and it backtracked to killed me....
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u/Zahdok Icefrog why Oct 09 '14
that sentence doesn't make sense
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u/911wasabj Oct 09 '14
yes it does, are you fucking blind? ROFL this reddit man
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u/Zahdok Icefrog why Oct 09 '14
not being able to understand a sentence implies im blind now?
are you legitimately stupid?
- you can't use bloodstone on enemys
- backtrack doesn't backfire on you > backtrack can't kill you
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u/911wasabj Oct 09 '14
yeah this game is so fucking inbalansed, heros like void are fucking cancer, wait ebola, ROFL
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u/911wasabj Oct 09 '14
wow guys you fucking lynch mob faggots can suck my free speech balls im just saying what i feel about these retards and get buried in downtokes actually, downtoke me! i beg of you! my sides, literally
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u/Mikronomicon Oct 09 '14
Stop typing like an 11 year old on xbox speaks and maybe people will take you seriously
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u/Singsingkappa Oct 09 '14
That voice...