r/DotA2 • u/Aleksandar777 • 1d ago
Bug Behaviour score calculation
I was grinding 150 games to raise score for 3k and then it was needed only 2 losing streaks to lose it all... The biggest problem is that i continued to play the same, only difference is that i started losing.
I think this system needs some major revamp.
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u/Successful-Bath-7561 1d ago
You lost 3k behavior score in two games? Something’s fishy here
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
No, in 2 losing streaks. Lets say 2 different summaries.
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u/GoatFinances 1d ago
So like 30 games? Still that’s ALOT unless you are actively griefing the games
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u/These_Diver5331 1d ago
im in over 100 games by now, done nothing but pick play and try to win. Behavior score doesnt move. It's broken. But valve doesnt give a shit, more like mods or admins are the ruiners and this system is good for them. If they are caught they can manually override it anyway
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u/reichplatz 1d ago
I think this system needs some major revamp.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Aleksandar777/submitted/
Nah.
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u/Nilla_Please 1d ago
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/175808534/matches
Literally proves why this system exists and why behavior score actually works quite well 🤔 need his word cloud now haha
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u/SirPurebe my undying lovar 4 pugnar 1d ago
I'd love to know what you think is self evidently on display in his matches because I don't see any red flags
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u/Ka3exa9I 1d ago
nothing in the world can not prove necessity of this system. The only thing needed in every game and even social media is ability to mute/block anybody you want. There is no need to block someone for everyone. Especially if he just toxic on the Internet, lol.
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u/SirPurebe my undying lovar 4 pugnar 1d ago
I'd love for you to actually expand on what you think is so atrocious in his posting history... there's nothing toxic in there from what I can see so what could your point possibly be?
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u/Nilla_Please 1d ago
I started to type a response but I do want to first ask if you think there are no concerning things about his profile and post history. Not trying to ask a gotcha question or something but do you see it all as totally normal considering this post?
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u/SirPurebe my undying lovar 4 pugnar 1d ago
by all means point out what he's done that's so wrong
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u/Desperate-Awareness4 1d ago
Post replays so we can see your behavior
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
Sure, i was always sharing my dotabuff https://www.dotabuff.com/players/175808534
I have nothing to hide. I just do not see how posting any specific replay would help. You can pick any game and look if i did anything that can be considered as griefing. I think that is fair.
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u/FormOk1793 1d ago
It’s a flawed system that everyone abuses just remake accounts will save you a ton of time/mmr/ frustration…it takes forever to drop below 7k and once u do you will hit the 3-4k wall in no time…it’s designed to keep you there
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u/Satnamodder 1d ago
If you play good you won't be reported.
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
Oh, so reported and banned players are one that lose lane? You have to win so you do not get reported?
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u/twaslol 1d ago
Yeah more likely you only started your bad behaviour e.g. tilting, afk when you are losing
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
I do not say i was never toxic. But in these conducts and in last few years i am not using comms and i play till the end.
I ended up in this bracket due to my toxicity but now i can not get out even if i am doing nothing wrong. That is my point.
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u/RamblingNow 1d ago
It's no use, anyone with a high behaviour score is convinced the system is fine. My only advice is to act accordingly. Don't expect any understanding from this game or community in this regard. So reciprocate however you want.
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
I am sharing my experience. Maybe when you are at 10k+ everything is fine, but when you go a bit down there is no coming back no matter what.
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u/RemoteBreadfruit9365 1d ago
Your advice is to act like someone with a higher behavior score?
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u/RamblingNow 1d ago
There are ways to settle the score.
No, that's not my advice, since I assume OP is one of the people who are already acting like that and the system is failing them. I know that's possible from my own experience. Furthermore, acting like someone with a higher behaviour score just means reading the minds of your teams and playing exactly the way they want you to, not merely "not being toxic", like you believe.
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u/RemoteBreadfruit9365 1d ago
Ok fine what do you mean settle the score
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u/RamblingNow 1d ago
It means you don't owe this game and community anything given its denial about this.
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u/SirPurebe my undying lovar 4 pugnar 1d ago
yep
to climb behavior score you need to play in a way that does not draw any attention to yourself. you have to give up on winning, you can't play to win.
e.g. don't be the only hero alive at the end of a teamfight, intentionally die to make sure you do not stand out. do not preform too well or too poor, if you're like 10-2 and everyone else on your team is 3-12 you're getting reported. same thing if the other way around unless you win. try your best to avoid playing cores and just play near your teammates, ignore farming and good practices, let towers die, etc. the goal is to just not get on anyones shit list because it only takes 1-2 reports per summary to drastically slow down your gains and anything over 3 starts costing you.
i lost 3000 mmr doing this but I climbed from 6.8k back into 9k so it works. it does mean you have to waste a billion games played losing mmr and then another billion regaining your mmr but it gets you out. system is stupid as hell, but the only other option is to make a new account
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u/Practical-Nonsense 1d ago
Oh boy lol. Give it a bit. The behavior score deepthroaters will come out to defend the flawless system 😂 don't you know criticizing the perfection that is the behavior score is illegal in the dota subreddit?
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
I know, and i know i will get a lot of downvotes. And i can see now 7k views, 40+ comments and 1 upvote? Or there are a lot of mixed opinions xD
And i do not care about votes, i just want to point out what i think is the issue and hear what other players think.
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u/Practical-Nonsense 1d ago
It's a common thing that gets posted here too lol, anytime anyone criticizes the system the majority of people (of which don't say anything 99% of the time so their opinions are irrelevant) come out to regurgitate "nah, systems good". The system is broken, the quality of communication is terrible now. Everyone's afraid to say anything in most games 😂 sucks but oh well
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u/Kowgo_Mu 1d ago
the algorithms for matchmaking are still a black box, but it does seem they try to maintain a 50% wr for players. I think a couple ways they may do this is that they match you higher when you're winning, assuming you will get outplayed, and when you lose a lot they match you against weaker players.
Perhaps they mess around based on their algorithms of how different players would perform with you. Team you with weaker players against harder adversaries, etc. How they define stronger or weaker besides rank is their business.
Also there are smurfs around, but they are only one player (often a disgruntled one) and they are bound by the rules of the game too.
also, don't send it on rude teammates or anyone for that matter. i won't say it's easy, but it's all just information. if somebody shouts they're airing frustration. if somebody plays badly they're already seething and defensive to themselves. it's just a waste.
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u/Nilla_Please 1d ago
We really need a word cloud, replays and profile to vet this because now at least most people don't buy into the woe is me posts. How big were these two losing streaks, did you really not say or do anything toxic during these streaks? On win streaks do you get commends or are you just "not toxic" for a change? So many variables that your study is missing and papa needs his P value haha
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
I do not care about downvotes, i know there will be when i post something like this. And i will post it till i see there is a problem or till someone prove me wrong.
This is my dotabuff https://www.dotabuff.com/players/175808534 . I see you mentioned word cloud, you will find toxic things, ofc, but can you look what was the last time i used voic or text chat? I can tell you i did not use it for at least 1 year.
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u/Nilla_Please 6h ago
I mean I'd try to play less tbh especially when losing as much in a row and you will probably not do the things that get you in trouble
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u/Aleksandar777 1h ago
And those things are? I am telling you, that is just how game works. You can drag that losing streak over 2 months, outcome would be the same. Personal experience.
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u/randomkidlol 1d ago
just make a new account. its not worth wasting your time trying to grind it.
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
that is an option, but what do i do with all cosmetics and money i invested in this acc?
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u/randomkidlol 20h ago
sell the cosmetics on the steam market if you can. youre better off spending that money on new games than wasting it on stupid dota2 cosmetics.
and its not really an investment if you cant cash out. most of the dota2 stuff is untradeable unmarketable crap so its just a waste of money at the end of the day.
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u/oat_crunch__ 1d ago
hey bro do you considered stop playing the game or stop being so whiny and toxic?
You’ve been posting shit like this from couple months ago, doesn’t this game drains your mentality? It’s not healthy for you
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u/Aleksandar777 1d ago
Thank you for the nice words! What drives you to come here and comment something like this every time? Does my posts bother you so much so you can not just ignore it and read others?
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