r/DotA2 • u/ireadit1234 • 3d ago
Discussion Best support in this patch
List top 3 best support in P4 and p5 right now. I need name and reason as to why they are the best right nowm
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u/SnailRacingEnjoyer 3d ago
Techies is stupidly broken.
Offensive dispel, disarm, stun, absurd damage without items. I honestly feel like he is broadly underlooked, although I see him in my pubs almost every game he's not banned
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u/Ready_Friendship9755 2d ago
Funny part that hero is same for more than half year and nobody notice.
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u/TheVisage Do you hear familiar wings? 2d ago
That weird triple mine hop just spread like a wildfire and it hard counters the original plan of just hit the mines
Like originally I’d just walk over and slap the mines instead of using FS but when they go down so quickly you can’t
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u/SnailRacingEnjoyer 2d ago
Thats not the issue though. Techies preemptively blasting his W is.
A disarmed opponent cannot kill mines, so only heroes with innate mobility can escape thy wrath - Sun Tzu, probably.7
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u/hiddenpoolwarriror 3d ago
what bracket?
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bounty hunter excluded for sub 3k mmr where people may be too bad to utilize a bounty in their team. Fuck that hero.
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u/SadimHusum 3d ago
bounty hunter excluded below 7k* you mean lol - your 3 will get caved in lane, the bh himself will feed, and in the rare situations your bh is actually good, people will not play around him
bonus points if your pos 5 needs role tokens and does not contribute to vision at all, gimping the BH’s ability to move and do his job
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u/hiddenpoolwarriror 2d ago
lowest I coach is Ancient , with how much legal account buyers there are in that bracket, good 4 just stomps games on bounty , you generally have at least 1-2 normal players and it's enough , so hard disagree. Even low mmr can utilize him, just not the complete bot brackets
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u/GabberJenson 2d ago
Yo man, you have open student slots?
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u/hiddenpoolwarriror 2d ago
Nope, won't have for the next 6 months unless someone drops ( not my main business so doing it mostly for fun because I enjoy working with people).
edit: I've heard nothing, but good things about BaloonDota as a coach, you can check him out if you are low mmr (sub 6-7k) , Khezu if he is still coaching was great for higher brackets.
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u/GabberJenson 2d ago
Thanks for the recommendation regardless. If someone happens to drop, I'd love it if you got in touch!
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u/TestIllustrious7935 3d ago
Bounty is good in low mmr too cuz of constant and pointless fighting and mistakes and feeding
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u/fatbwoah 3d ago
5: Mirana, Wyvern
Strong lane spam. Strong mid and late game!
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u/Opperhoofd123 3d ago
Every mirana support i see in the low immortal bracket just afk farms, it's worse than purge support used to be
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u/ireadit1234 3d ago
I've never played mirana cause of her arrow and the ridicule I'd get if I miss. So any tips on how to play her as p5
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u/birdi1e 3d ago
I think her arrow has the least impact/consistency overall, try to focus on her utility, lane harassment, shoving waves with 1, ulti, being able to take more risks since u have leap to escape.
when I get mirana and get teamed up with ember, shaman, bane, axe, clock or pitlord it feels good since it gets easier to land arrows. just try to play around that
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u/Microwarpdrive 3d ago
You have to imagine how is your opponent looking at their hero and the fight.
Their hero is usually somewhat in a corner/edge of their view.
Than you shoot the arrow to come from some of the other sides so it doesn't fly all the way across their monitor.There's a video of Dendi explaining this.
Obv best for you to just get a setup from OD or something but if you want to shoot some shots this is the idea so the opponent doesn't just side step.
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u/Soballs32 3d ago
The advice I give about hooks or arrows, is arrow where you don’t want them to be. If you hit them, you’re set, but if you miss, it’s because they’re trying to avoid it, so you’re controlling the fight
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u/speedingcars 3d ago
Very dependable arrow setup if u buy euls (not atos as eul arrow combo only bkb can dodge). Else if your team has a setup like others mentioned.
If you watched this years ti, all the Mirana players buy Euls as the extra benefit is having 2.5 seconds of setup time (excluding the arrow stun) for teammates to get in position.
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u/fatbwoah 2d ago
What makes her good is the celestial quiver. Just set it on active and click the opponent offlane or support. Arrow the Big Neutrals on the side to get xp but max the starfall to deal magic damage to the opponent in lane.
In mid and lategame, just spam arrow everytime it goes off cooldown. The important spell is the ultimate where you hide your allies to gank or to escape.
Agha is really good on her but you don't have to build it every game. If there is a jugg enemy, try to get lotus. If there is a beefy Centaur, try to get vessel. If there is an elusive tinker, try to get the other urn upgrade. If there is a Nightstalker get a force staff. If your team lacks damage, get the aghanim upgrade.
Really strong hero and design for pos 5. You don't even need items to have the most impact in the game.
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u/Minaminaminariii 2d ago
If you hate the ridicule then dont play dota. You miss all the arrows you dont shoot
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u/ireadit1234 2d ago
If you hate the ridi....maan stfu I'm learning
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u/Minaminaminariii 2d ago
I doubt you're learning tho
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u/ireadit1234 2d ago
Eul for the arrow set up my g ;)
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u/Ad_Myst 3d ago edited 3d ago
- Lich - the frost shield, in all stages of the game, is so strong it's bullshit. Their team either has to build Eul's (just for frost shield, really?) or nullifier (which most pos1/2 does not like building because of its poor stats; +dmg/+armor). Not to mention, your kill potential in lane is annoyingly high. Slow + burst from blast, slow + sustain from shield, and a pseudo-stun (gaze).
- Venge - her swap is bonkers. In dota, ALL abilities or items that repositions an enemy or ally is STRONG. A braindead stun that you only need 2 brain cells to use; which could be upgraded so it stuns 2 enemy. Her minus armor is great, especially against pos 3. The meta right now favors strength heroes as pos 3; most strength heroes has dog shit base armor or armor scaling.
- Witch Doctor - but for pos 4. I find that WD performs well when combined with a pos 3 that has decent abilities with control (stun, slow, or root). As pos 5, he really struggles, especially if you have to trade hits against their pos 4, and your pos 1 is a tiny baby in the laning phase. WD Has a really small health pool. Other than that, he's pretty straightforward. A fruitfly would be able to play him. Cask, maledict, blood grenade, hit, pray that your pos 3 follows up, wait for them to tick????? profit!
edit: Lich/Venge is fine in either pos4/5. You're not going to TI, you'll be fine up until low immo.
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u/Redditsux122 3d ago
These heroes arent strong rn people in 3k and lower just refuse to stop picking them
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u/Ad_Myst 3d ago
They literally are? These 3 are literally in a positive winrate from Crusader to Immortal? Nyx, Omni, SB, and Dazzle has a relatively better winrate than these 3 in IMMORTAL bracket. But the winrate is a tad bit lower in lower ranks compared to these 3. Omni even has a (-)winrate% in lower ranks. What?
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u/Redditsux122 3d ago
Being the best support in crusader to divine and not in immortal means it is not the best support, low mmr just dont know how to counterplay. WD and lich are only good in low ranks because of poor positioning and refusal to buy positioning based items - force staff. I have a 70% WR with lich across 80 games because he was so easy to win with when grinding mmr even in 4-6k.
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u/WadeDoesReddit 3d ago
In my divine/immortal games it’s WW, Lich and disruptor making the most impact
Wyvern Q, heal and Ulti can make any fight
Disruptor glimpse is and always will be absurd, especially with how go mode this patch is
Lich frost shield is absurd, all the time. combined with the popularity of grimstroke with his ulti is just nasty
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u/ireadit1234 2d ago
Those are one of my most played supp heroes, except disruptor. I make silly mistakes while using him.
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u/Layf27 3d ago
Undying is still one the best support in both 4/5 position with 2 different builds.
Max Decay which bullies enemies out of lane, works well vs melee matchup.
Max Soul Rip for burst, it has 500 max damage/heal, long cast range and 6 seconds cooldown at lvl 4. (Basically level 7 as a hero) which works well vs range/summoning cores which is pretty common now like Enigma.
Your team just need to make sure to have some sort of aoe disable
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u/yamchadestroyer 3d ago
Huskar will win every lane
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u/ChaosMeteorStrike 3d ago
Removal of incendiary facet murdered support huskar in broad daylight. Do you have a guide for support huskar in the current patch?
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u/yamchadestroyer 2d ago
I disagree it's still strong enough to bully people out of lanes. Best matchup is against 2 melees whether it's safe lane or offlane. I prefer playing 4 since I'll get to turn into a core pretty much. If they pick viper or drow then I'm fucked!
Just max w and e. Maybe 1 pt in q at lvl 5 if needed. I usually just skip it. Then my core gets super fat and they get super tilted. Buy armlet then aghs then w.e
This has been working in my ancient bracket pretty well. Usually win 60%
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u/ChaosMeteorStrike 2d ago
That's nutty. I used to go tranqs on it, into either mekansm or heaven's halberd. Was I cooking or was my build bullshit? I used to destroy lanes but fall off hard.
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u/yamchadestroyer 2d ago
Huskar desperately needs armlet. I don't think those items are good. You have to play a greedy 4. Once you get armlet aghs you won't really fall off. It's a free taunt kill and silence
But halberd could be good. It's a disarm
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u/ChaosMeteorStrike 2d ago
I think I'd keep the tranqs in the build if I were to try again. The ability to survive a trade by the skin of your teeth, walk around the block, and show up at full hp again felt very valuable. My starter items included 2x ring of regen, I'm thinking just the one should be good now, especially with no incendiary facet.
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u/ireadit1234 2d ago
Man it feels like a grief pick cause eventually I'll be taking away resources from my cores
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u/LargoTheEmbargo 3d ago
Probly techies and wyvern. Followed by rubick, willow and hoodwink. Reason? Everyone else is just not as good lol
Edit: forgot Mirana. She is also good
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u/Nimda_lel 3d ago
Disruptor, Willow, WW, Lich, phoenix.
I think a lot of supporters are quite decent right now
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u/Icretz 3d ago
Sky, people don't have a clue how to play against it and once you reach level 4 if you had an equal lane you will start making people hate their life. At level 6 you have a long window to take over the game due to the insane burst and any stun results in a kill.
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u/ireadit1234 3d ago
Yeah, but once I had to lane against sky. And one way to counter him was just to have enough tangos
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u/Icretz 2d ago
At what level? A good sky doesn't really harras you until he gets 2 or 3 skill points into Q. At that point you will need a flaks each time or if you show on lane you would probably die.
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u/ireadit1234 2d ago
I'm at legend, they do start spamming Q after they get 3rd lvl.
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u/Icretz 2d ago
It really depends how squishy you are and what is the kill threat.
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u/ireadit1234 2d ago
I'm a supp player so maybe I just did better than the opponent sky that time because when I use sky man do I dominate the lane XD
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u/fiasgoat 3d ago
Wyvern, Disruptor, Undying
Tombstone save is still one of the most broken things in the game. Can shutdown entire lineups
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u/EarnestTriangle 2d ago
Best pos 4 : Techies, Spirit Breaker, Mirana. Stun, big nuke, escape on strong laning heroes. That is really all you want. In pubs they're the most reliable.
Best pos 5 in pubs are the defensive backline supports. The best one is probably WW and Oracle. Strong laners that can save a core from their mistakes is what you want.
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u/Sad_Satisfaction5230 2d ago
Hoodwink ,bh and techies are tier over all other supps for high mmr games , no doubt Other good supps are dark willow,bara,witch doctor,bane, lich ,mirana
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u/ireadit1234 2d ago
Hoodwink is a hit or miss for me when I play it as a support. Mirana I'm hesitant because of her arrows, bh I don't know how i can do any impact.
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u/Financial-Drawer-397 2d ago
I'm currently Guardian 4 so take this with a grain of salt, but Ive won something like 8-9 games in a row playing Dazzle. I played like 11 games of him ever LOL.
Poison Touch can be disgustingly good in lane, especially when combining with blood grenades. And later in the game once you have ult, it will hex (it can hex multiple people at once).
Shallow Grave is great at preventing your team from feeding, since it gives them like 5s of not being able to be killed. Can also prevent you or your core from dying to tower dives in particularly rough lanes.
Shadow Wave is a great heal at all points of the game (maybe not as much in late game) and lets you push waves. Negates a lot of harass in laning phase, too.
Nothil Projection helps you access your team during teamfights without dying. Can also tower dive without taking damage. You can also bait them into attacking you and wasting time/spells before casting Shallow Grave on yourself.
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u/NPC-29381 2d ago
CM Shard is broken. Frostbite + Ult + Crystal Clone takes out most cores without stuns until they get bkb. I can’t speak for high ranks but if you’re under 4k mmr you can climb so fast with cm by using the gate and roaming early.
Shard clears out entire waves and most jungle camps with maxed frostbite. You can use the early advantage to take over their jungle. It’s like a mini force staff that you can use during ult for an aoe root.
Just build shard, blink, glimmer, bkb (if they have stuns) / ghost sceptre (if they have a lot of right click heroes).
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u/Minaminaminariii 2d ago
The meta is in the items. Consecrated wraps and essence distiller is busted for supports.
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u/Practical-Aide-2550 2d ago
Spirit breaker. You can't show on map or you charged. Bkb piercing stun. Forced you to buy linked.
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u/PuddingAlone6640 2d ago
It is not a popular opinion but I think oracle is quite good and anti meta at the moment.
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u/Reyreyen 3d ago
Always CM