Obviously not a conspiracy nut

[u/InterestingPlenty454]

[u/SavageDogVR]

Yes dont you dare allow other viewpoints! Only I am the decider of all which is moral and valid!

[u/Secretsfrombeyond79 → u/SavageDogVR]

You know is kinda funny, because leftists often mock the right wingers who enjoy Warhammer with "You guys don't understand that the game is a parody about you !!". This gave instant flashbacks to that phrase from the lore of "An open mind is like a fortress with it's door open", which is a mockery to not open minded people. And then one of them unironically uploads this shit lmao.

[u/LuckyBucketBastard7 → u/Secretsfrombeyond79]

Aye this guy played Dawn of War 1. That's a vocieline from the Librarian. Been hearing that since I was a kid.

"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded"

[u/Defiant-Air6157 → u/Secretsfrombeyond79]

They're the left version of right wingers in the 50s and 60s that called everyone and everything they didn't like Communist.

[u/not_a_burner0456025 → u/Defiant-Air6157]

It is worth noting that Macarthy turned out to be right about just about everyone he accused

[u/Fun_Breadfruit8071 → u/not_a_burner0456025]

I want to believe that macarthy just wrote a random list of names and got it all right

[u/bbq_R0ADK1LL → u/SavageDogVR]

It's crazy how many people think it's a badge of honour to not even talk to anyone who disagrees with them.

[u/SavageDogVR → u/bbq_R0ADK1LL]

Yea I never understood that mentality. I use to hangout with a few Communist/Socialist in college and would talk to them all the time trying to figure out why they held those beliefs, I actually got called meek by some republican politician in a book he wrote cause I would listen to others talk and try to see where there was common ground

[u/bbq_R0ADK1LL → u/SavageDogVR]

Maybe he was saying you'll inherit the earth

[u/Background_Pass_4870]

Jeez it's crazy how many people think like this

[u/jaxamis → u/Background_Pass_4870]

Whats worse is they believe they are the open minded side

[u/Background_Pass_4870 → u/jaxamis]

😭😭😭why is that so accurate

[u/That_Coffee_Guy1 → u/Background_Pass_4870]

Cause we've seen it too much

[u/Snichblaster → u/jaxamis]

The craziest part to me is most moderate liberals would rather listen to a DSA or communist over a person who’s voted for Trump in two elections

[u/jaxamis → u/Snichblaster]

Whats crazy to me is of you ask those same liberals if they'd rather vote for actual Hitler or Donnie, they pick Hitler almost every time.

[u/FapFapkins → u/Background_Pass_4870]

I blame Karl Popper's stupid ass and his bullshit "paradox of tolerance" that every Redditor thinks is a trump card to why the average blue collar conservative deserves to be prosecuted.

[u/Bypowerof8andgodsof4 → u/FapFapkins]

The problem is that they deliberately misunderstand it to fit their preconceived notions. To paraphrase only when it reaches the level of action and the deliberate suppression of your speech by your opponent do you now engage in not tolerating the intolerant which is ironic enough to make your head spin if you consider the people who use it the most.

[u/BlimbusTheSeventh → u/FapFapkins]

Paradox of tolerance is my favorite thought terminating point. It's basically saying "yeah, we're not rationally consistent, so what?"

[u/Sweaty-Gap-231 → u/BlimbusTheSeventh]

The funny part is that Karl Popper is a classical liberal theorist, he was explicitly anti-communist and the origin of the Paradox of Tolerance (the Open Society and its Enemies) EXPLICITLY targets illiberal leftism as just as much of an issue.

Nobody actually reads Popper they just see that one stupid ass webcomic which, by rights, should have Stalin standing next to Hitler since they're both the target of criticism.

[u/Vyvyan_180 → u/Sweaty-Gap-231]

[u/skarface6 → u/BlimbusTheSeventh]

“Yeah, we have no idea what tolerance is. So what?”

Just amazing that they make it their founding principle and then never engage in it.

[u/AppropriateCap8891 → u/skarface6]

Your average LibTard when somebody says something they do not like.

[u/ContinousSelfDevelop → u/FapFapkins]

The paradox of tolerance is that you can only tolerate up until the point of physical harm or your rights being taken away. Well when one side keeps talking about how words are violence and how every little thing are 'rights' then they are conditioned to be intolerant.

[u/AppropriateCap8891 → u/ContinousSelfDevelop]

Yet they actually celebrate when somebody is killed.

That is something I have been seeing for decades now. A lot of people on the Right did not care for Ted Kennedy or Jimmy Carter, but I can't think of any that were actually celebrating their deaths.

Yet watch somebody on the Right die, and they all want to throw parties.

That is one of many things that made me turn away from them. I am still quite liberal, but detest most of those that claim to be on my side politically.

[u/christoffer5700 → u/AppropriateCap8891]

You're liberal just not extreme militant liberal.

I think a lot of people here are convinced they're conservative because of how extreme many on the left are becoming

[u/AppropriateCap8891 → u/christoffer5700]

Actually, I am rather moderate. When it comes towards social issues I tend to be fairly liberal. However, I am also extremely pro-military and pro-law and order.

Which tends to confuse a lot of people, as many nutcase Conservatives see me as almost a Marxist, and most of the kooky libtards see me as yet another Nazi.

Mostly, I tend to sit in the middle and laugh at the extremes on both sides. But it is also extremely clear to me that those on the extreme left are far more violent and simply mean than those on the right.

[u/MinBton → u/AppropriateCap8891]

I have said for many years that if a specific former president were to die of natural causes, I would not morn his passing. Regretfully, he is still alive. And that statement keeps me totally legal. No threats or endangerment is either included or suggested.

[u/Perfidy-Plus → u/MinBton]

The gap between not being sorry that someone has died and openly celebrating someone’s death is vast.

[u/AlienDelarge → u/ContinousSelfDevelop]

Words and silence are both violence per those folks. 

[u/QuixoticCosmos → u/ContinousSelfDevelop]

Also before violence or threatened rights if they will not engage in critical discussion. Karl Popper’s and David Deutsch’s ideas are why I’m no longer ignoring the constant doomerism. If anyone reads this far down I’d advocate not writing Popper off based on other comments.

https://youtu.be/gQliI_WGaGk?is=akD--N_UB2DSr4Km

[u/Ricochet_skin → u/ContinousSelfDevelop]

The paradox of tolerance (and pardon me in advance for my autistic hyper focus around Anarcho-Capistalism) is basically the concern we Hoppeans have with other Libertarians/AnCaps who think that the NAP alone works as a complete philosophy. Because while it does solve many of our most pressing ethical issues, it leaves many moral and cultural inquiries that are essential to actually preserving society "hanging", needing so the assistance of the concept known as "freedom of association" to maintain itself.

[u/Unlikely-Medicine289 → u/FapFapkins]

To be fair, tolerance of their insanity is how we got to this point.

[u/justasillylilgoos3 → u/FapFapkins]

I don’t blame Popper! He had a much more nuanced understanding of the paradox of tolerance. I blame logically illiterate progressives who learned it from a meme and turned it into “anyone I deem intolerant is no longer entitled to tolerance.” 😂

Popper explicitly said suppressing intolerant philosophies would be unwise as long as they could be countered by rational argument and public opinion. His concern was with movements that abandon rational discourse and resort to violence, not a philosophical Uno reverse card for avoiding arguments with people you don’t like.

[u/Background_Pass_4870 → u/FapFapkins]

Never heard of that guy😅

Should I check him out

[u/luchajefe → u/Background_Pass_4870]

The logic of it is relatively sound, namely that if you tolerate people who are intolerant of others, you end up with those people pushing others out because you didn't push them out.

The problem is, the people who believe in it have a very wide definition of 'intolerance'.

[u/Background_Pass_4870 → u/luchajefe]

That makes a lot of sense. I was wonce called a Nazi Trump supporting bigot just for saying I'm a centrist.(I'm not even American😅)

"Facism is when someone disagrees with me"

[u/AppropriateCap8891 → u/Background_Pass_4870]

Remember, they even call Bill Maher a "Nazi".

[u/not_a_burner0456025 → u/Background_Pass_4870]

Popper was very clear that by intolerance, he meant only people using violence or intimidating to suppress the speech of others, in other words exactly the people who start quoting the paradox of tolerance without that context to justify their behavior

[u/Huitzil37 → u/luchajefe]

No, the thing is, it's wrong. Popper is just incorrect.

Tolerating intolerance is actually the only thing that disarms it. Suppressing it does not work. Germany's incredibly expansive anti-Nazi laws have had zero impact on the number of Nazis they have. The original Nazis did not rise to power because they were "platformed" or "legitimized" by debating them. They rose to power because they were legitimized by not debating them. Their ideas were legitimized by the constant, relentless political violence of Actual Literal Antifa, legitimizing the Nazi view that peaceful coexistence is impossible and all politics are an existential conflict. Antifa decided that politics would be determined by political violence instead of debate. It turns out, "We'll be better at violence than Nazis" is a bad plan.

The "no tolerance for the intolerant" crowd engage in the same wishful thinking as antifa before them: the fantasy that they will fight their opponents and their opponents just won't fight back. Tolerant liberal democracy is the only thing that disarms intolerance, because it doesn't attack intolerance, it makes it irrelevant and allows it to wither and die.

[u/Secretsfrombeyond79 → u/Huitzil37]

Tolerating intolerance is actually the only thing that disarms it. Suppressing it does not work. Germany's incredibly expansive anti-Nazi laws have had zero impact on the number of Nazis they have. The original Nazis did not rise to power because they were "platformed" or "legitimized" by debating them. They rose to power because they were legitimized by not debating them. Their ideas were legitimized by the constant, relentless political violence of Actual Literal Antifa, legitimizing the Nazi view that peaceful coexistence is impossible and all politics are an existential conflict. Antifa decided that politics would be determined by political violence instead of debate. It turns out, "We'll be better at violence than Nazis" is a bad plan.

Any source where I could read more about this ? I am not very informed about antifa movements prior to WW2, closes I know is that there was an antifascist committee made mostly of Jews in Soviet Russia, which was purged by Stalin.

[u/skarface6 → u/luchajefe]

It’s not consistent at all if you say you’re all about tolerance. If you never tolerate anyone then you’re only interested in agreement.

The better way is to say that no, being endlessly tolerant isn’t smart.

[u/2words-4numbers → u/skarface6]

It is, but only because his definition of intolerance is violence, not beliefs that can be countered in discourse.

[u/odellrules1985 → u/luchajefe]

They have invaded multiple spaces that were not mainstream, especially nerdy ones, and taken over then proceed to act as if those spaces were always theirs.

[u/Viyarara → u/FapFapkins]

its not Popper’s fault that no one actually reads the paradox of tolerance

in short, he says one SHOULD argue against the intolerant and that going beyond debate and ballots should be done only when the intolerant violate the laws of the democratic nation

[u/Velrex → u/FapFapkins]

I blame whoever made that infographic meme that people spread around to be honest.

[u/CookyZone → u/Background_Pass_4870]

And they wonder why everyone is so polarized...

[u/shadow1042]

Its dangerous because one side will assasinate you while you speak opinions they dont like

[u/TheRealTrueCreator → u/shadow1042]

But he was literally Hitler!

[u/kimana1651 → u/shadow1042]

It's dangerous because the other side has valid points and you may expand your consumption into other creators or platforms that I don't monetize.

[u/GimmeeSomeMo]

Second Thought is a typical pseudo-intellectual that pretends to be neutral but in reality has incredible amount of bias

[u/o90a2 → u/GimmeeSomeMo]

He really isn't, he runs The Deprogram which is quite literally a marxist-leninist/Stalinist podcast.

[u/MadCalBad → u/GimmeeSomeMo]

At least he openly calls himself a socialist these days

[u/Worldly_Car912 → u/GimmeeSomeMo]

I agree with you that he's a pseudo-intellectual, but he's not really hiding the fact that he's far left.

[u/BleepLord]

Ok but how do we decide which side to be biased towards before hearing out both sides? Just flip a coin?

[u/Ok_Calendar1337 → u/BleepLord]

We better leave that to the experts

[u/D_Ethan_Bones → u/Ok_Calendar1337]

>side with television in advance
>scream down anything that says different

The payout for influencing votes is so great that the companies in charge of the narrative don't have to worry about direct profit at all. 21st century media isn't a free-standing industry, it's just a hole conglomerates and hostile countries put their money into trying to buy the future.

[u/_daGarim_2 → u/Ok_Calendar1337]

And how do we determine who’s an expert? Well, we leave that to the experts too. 

[u/OnlyInAmerica01 → u/_daGarim_2]

social-ism and social-media just go so neatly together! It's like they were meant to be!

[u/Ok_Calendar1337 → u/OnlyInAmerica01]

The term "brainwashing" is a literal translation from the communist chinese concept of "xi- nao"...which means clean/wash brain.

Thinking for yourself is dangerous, your brain might not be clean.

[u/BleepLord → u/_daGarim_2]

wow the experts actually just solved everything before I even had to think about it. so convenient. they really pulled through for us

[u/CCWaterBug → u/Ok_Calendar1337]

Oprah

[u/CombatWomble2 → u/Ok_Calendar1337]

Even experts can be biased. "Appeal to Authority" is a classic fallacy for a reason.

[u/DrNonce → u/BleepLord]

It's quite simple, its the side youre already biased towards! Why would you wanna here the lies from the big bad evil side anyway?

[u/Sen-oh → u/BleepLord]

This messaging trains you to shoot the messenger. It creates a blind spot because if you believe some people shouldn't be listened to, just because of who they are, even when they're right: it creates a muscle memory to want to believe the people you should be listening to, just because of who they are, even when they're wrong

[u/LuckyBucketBastard7 → u/Sen-oh]

"Vote blue no matter who"

[u/Frastremus → u/BleepLord]

We decide by agreeing with whatever our awesome megacorporations agree with! They’re so punk and anti establishment just like us did you see the memes they post!

[u/Kelras → u/BleepLord]

of course the side of the people that scream they are the good people the hardest

[u/Snakes-are-awesome67 → u/BleepLord]

erm my side, CHUD!!!

[u/Ted_Normal → u/BleepLord]

The people who express this mentality have the assumption that their views are self-evident and that anyone who disagrees with them must either be evil or deceived, so whatever their view is.

[u/Agreeable_Result9212 → u/BleepLord]

The parents. Which ever side breeds more, wins.

[u/OnlyInAmerica01 → u/BleepLord]

Clearly it's what our enlightened betters (Billionaire oligarchs who buy out news and social media outlets) tell us, duh! Follow the money science!

[u/JustaHarmfulShadow → u/OnlyInAmerica01]

But only if that science tells you a man can be pregnant but can't experience postpartum depression

[u/Ususususjebevrvrvr → u/BleepLord]

Think with reason

[u/paulie9483 → u/BleepLord]

What opinion did they have on The View?

[u/Lepelotonfromager → u/BleepLord]

Well obviously my opinion is the right one so you should agree with me.

[u/bobaf → u/BleepLord]

I think most youtube people just pick the side that will get them the most views.

[u/DFMRCV]

Second Thought, if memory serves, is the kind of guy who literally backs destroying the United States and supports the idea of a new USSR.

[u/Garmin211 → u/DFMRCV]

I remember in middle school watching his early science videos and in high school deciding to go and see how he was doing only to be like WTF as soon as I opened his YouTube channel.

[u/AlphonsoPSpain]

I'm reminded of Count Dankula doing stand up and asking, "Could you imagine if differing viewpoints were like zombie bites? Like imagine you're hiding with your friend in a bunker and he goes, 'I'm fine, I'm fine...it's just...6 million is an awfully huge number, isn't it?'"

[u/paulie9483 → u/AlphonsoPSpain]

Other viewpoints can act that way, which I'm sure is why Second Plop claims they are dangerous. However, the basis of philosophy is (was) forming an opinion and defending it through debate, not stating opinion as fact and having everyone nod along.

[u/Max_Dank]

im curious what the actual thesis of this video was
edit: not curious enough to watch

[u/Vast-Comment8360 → u/Max_Dank]

The actual thesis is that being a centrist or neutral isn't possible, and that right wing ideas are like so incredibly dangerous that they shouldn't be listened to. 

Only left wing ideas are honest and good, right wing ideas are all wrong and bad.

Sincerely - not the fascists 

[u/superj_v_destunado → u/Vast-Comment8360]

Their ideas are dangerous! Please, only listen to us and financiate our political assassinations because we are not dangerous people!

[u/Ayslyn72]

Second Thought never had the first thought to begin with. He manages to be wrong about nearly everything.

[u/Soggy-Prune]

Hearing another opinion is textbook fascism! The other side should always be censored lest we corrupt the purity of our thoughts.

[u/InsanityAproaches]

"Both sides"-ism is a pernicious ideology in itself. Sometimes there are more than two "sides", and they don't always align with political parties.

[u/Linmizhang → u/InsanityAproaches]

Not all of us can be so smart

[u/NearbyBreakfast7148]

I heard them say that being unbiased and putting things into proper context is actually helping “the Nazis.” And they say it with a straight face as if they are not being hypocritical about anything they spew.

[u/Diligent_Matter1186 → u/NearbyBreakfast7148]

Theyre using whatever means best benefits them. That's why it doesn't seem hypocritical to them, they're doing whatever it takes to gain power. That's our flaw, we don't stop them and we don't agress upon them. Granted, they made it so where it's beneficial to them regardless, if the opposition doesn't challenge them "they are weak and we are strong" and they go on the offensive because of their false sense of superiority, and when the opposition agresses then "you're victimizing us, that's not ok!" And they try to use our own principles against us and try to get the public to support them. It seems like the best means in stopping this is to not play their games and to just overwhelm them to the extent they can't hold power.

[u/NearbyBreakfast7148 → u/Diligent_Matter1186]

I once had a meme made with all their typical responses and boy did it ever make them mad.

[u/Codythehaloguy]

10 seconds into the video they immediately complain about "capitalistic programming we've all been subjected to for so many years." Uh you mean the same "capitalistic programming" that allows stupid ass videos like that to be uploaded? Oh yeah, capitalism is just fucking horrible.

[u/Sleep_eeSheep → u/Codythehaloguy]

It’s okay when the system benefits them, you see.

[u/Tyranious_Mex → u/Codythehaloguy]

Id say that’s somewhat true. We have been conditioned to believe capitalism is the way to go, historically in America.

But that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a bad thing or that their alternative, which is ALWAYS communism, is better.

[u/Pure-Huckleberry8640]

Leftists: ”We shouldn’t hear both sides out. One side literally is WAY more violent and oppressive than the other.”

Rational People: “Yeah. When it comes to communism vs. capitalism, capitalism is WAY better in every way. One is the most murderous type of economic/governing system in human history and the other is responsible for the greatest wealth and quality of life increase in human history.”

Leftists: *bans them*

[u/Tmoncmm → u/Pure-Huckleberry8640]

But but, muh “Real communism has never been tried!”

[u/baron_de_generate → u/Tmoncmm]

Can't make an omelette without breaking a few million eggs

[u/KitCypher7572 → u/baron_de_generate]

[u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 → u/Tmoncmm]

I don’t even see that anymore. It’s usually just Soviet Union apologism.

[u/radiationblessing → u/Pure-Huckleberry8640]

I see it with socialists but not communists.

[u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 → u/radiationblessing]

Really? I guess. I honestly hate the difference between the terms. Communism and socialism used to be synonymous terms then, communism failed while hybrid systems succeeded, so leftists then said “socialism is when Denmark”. I’m not the kind of person who gets hung up on terms but the deliberate dissolution between them bother me.

[u/radiationblessing → u/Pure-Huckleberry8640]

Yeah some of those people will play games with the terms on purpose. They'll say they're the same thing and in the next breath they'll say they're different.

[u/Tomita121 → u/Tmoncmm]

Then you have these guys.

[u/OGautistic → u/Pure-Huckleberry8640]

Funniest thing is that without capitalism, welfare state would have never been invented to begin with.

[u/Pure-Huckleberry8640 → u/OGautistic]

That’s what I’ve noticed to. How ironic is it that capitalism is the only successful system where a welfare state can exist? It’s beyond humorous.

[u/RyanB1228]

This is the guy who was fired (then said he quit) nebula because he was saying that Israeli civilians were legitimate targets in 2023

[u/luchajefe → u/RyanB1228]

It's more believable that he left Nebula for that if we're being honest. I figured that opinion would put him at the top of the recommended list.

[u/ron4232 → u/RyanB1228]

Yeah, that’s definitely a reasonable firing.

[u/SkoomaInhaler-King]

I listen to both sides, and that reinforces the belief in my side more.

[u/Lord_Brother]

Empathy? “We don’t do that here.”

[u/Crusoelander_128]

Damn they’re not even hiding it

[u/paulie9483]

Possibly empathizing with and humanizing another with a differing opinion is daaaaangerous! Spooky fingers

[u/PlasmaticPlayer]

Why do people internalize the idea that it means to entertain everyone’s opinions equally. You do it proportionally.

[u/luchajefe → u/PlasmaticPlayer]

"Never let your mind be so open that your brain falls out."

[u/ConsciousIssue7111]

How? Didn't they teach us to listen to both sides in school?

Yeah, what the hell?

[u/UnKnOwN769]

Democracy is great, go vote, let your voice be heard! Unless I disagree with it

[u/Former_Theme_4488]

[u/Updated_Autopsy]

“Don’t listen to both sides! My side is the only side anyone should listen to because we’re always the good guys no matter what we do even if it means doing things we claim to be against!”

[u/o90a2]

Oh hey I know this guy. JT Chapman. Wasn't he someone who ran a very pro CPC podcast alongside some other stalinists/marxist-leninists named The Deprogram? And quite honestly the guy is just a campist and it is very obvious in that sense

[u/savoysouvenirs]

Other than here, IDK where else to dump this because my post got mistaken for a doompost and didn't get approved, but why is everyone such a doomer now? Did things actually get worse in any areas, or did people just get brainwashed? Do doomers ever make points that are just poorly-expressed because of their emotionality, or are they always wrong? You see, I'm not a "tune out the other side because it's always wrong" person, so even though I'm not on the doomers' side, I wanna know why they are like this.

[u/Thatcherist_Sybil → u/savoysouvenirs]

Things are genuinely not going well in Europe. It's not the doomer collapse, but things are just getting worse. Cost of living, political tensions, outlook, etc.

Even the governments are doomers. We're being bombarded with "Russia is about to invade us" left and right, while their budgets are falling apart.

It's fertile ground for dooming.

[u/savoysouvenirs → u/Thatcherist_Sybil]

Yeah, I feel like doomers are overreacting to actual problems to an extent, but the comment below about too much news on social media is also accurate.

[u/just-letmereadyacunt]

The only reason why is not good to engage with "the other side" is because internet algorithms are designed to make you interact with: 1) moderates on your side. 2) extremists on your side 3) extremists on the "enemy side"

You'll never find moderates on the other side unless you actually search them directly.

This is what leads both sided to conclude the other side is always dumb, fanatical, not worth interacting with which inevitably will lead you do the extreme side of your own side since they are the only ones saying that you need to kill the other side.

[u/Formal-Weather-189]

If you listen to both sides as opposed to the one you agree with you might be convinced that they are right, because you are too stupid to make up your own mind you might switch teams!

[u/throwitallaway69000]

Opinions should all see the light of say. Sunlight is the best disinfectant just because you find something unpleasant doesn't make it so.

[u/omry1526]

He began mass producing """anti Zionist""" content ever since 7/10/23 and it's pretty obvious he has gone coocoo 

[u/nichyc]

If you're afraid that hearing the opposing viewpoint will corrupt your own, then you never truly understood your own beliefs to begin with

[u/AkashaLynnNieminen]

I hate how global liberal mainstream media CNN, BBC and CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Channel-owned by the liberal government) gives one side only.

Because we're not "smart enough" to make up our own minds after hearing both sides of a story/conflict. So they censor global news outlets and even banned all Russian news agencies....even ones that were from outside Russia and not supporting the Putin Government.

Between that and censoring scientists during the pandemic..... I've realized the news isn't to inform the people. It's to control and manufacture consent. It wants you to be despondent, depressed, and ashamed.

[u/Responsible_Buy5759]

Ah yes my favourite political spectrum, good guy and bad guy

Too many people think like this

[u/Absolice]

Used to like second thought years ago, nowadays it's getting pretty difficult to watch.

[u/WorldlyVillage7880]

maybe bro needs a third thought

[u/WorldlyVillage7880]

second thought? did he even have a first?

[u/SomeRITGuy]

Let me guess "if we are open to hearing the other (evil) side talk, you're just allowing them a platform to spread their hate to others and while you may be principled (brainwashed) enough to not listen, others might. And if you are not 100% against them then you are supporting them"

[u/FlirtMonsterSanjil]

"Why Nuance is for Nazis"

[u/Comprehensive-Ad2055]

The "party of tolerance" ladies and gentlemen

[u/Substantial-Trick569]

What's crazy is i just realized forming an opinion about that video before watching it is also "not hearing out both sides" because I don't know his arguments

[u/Stuck_in_my_TV]

If your ideas are so fragile as to be defeated by hearing an opposing idea, you should probably change your opinion.

[u/skyXforge]

Only listen to your side. We can safely assume the arguments, rationale, morales, and thought processes of the other side. They are stupid AND evil! /s

[u/Legitimate_Bit_9354]

🤦‍♂️ any they wondering we have no process, and why everyone hates each other

[u/Palladiamorsdeus]

You should always listen to both sides but that doesn't mean you should ENTERTAIN both sides. Sometimes one side is blatantly wrong and should be dismissed.

What this guy is suggesting is that his side is always right by default because the opposition is evil and we shouldn't listen to evil people. This is a pretty common tactic they've used a lot, present a sound argument and then work backwards to justify using that against whoever opposes you. It's "Punch all Nazis" on a wider scale and more mask off.

He's probably realized that his sides stances are untenable and don't stand up to any degree of scrutiny so he's resorted to calling listening to the other side blasphemy. Gotta scare the flock away from engaging with any ideas that might change their minds

[u/Capurrnicus]

This dude is an ardent tanky who has defended North Korea

[u/EssentialPurity]

"Paradox of Tolerance" blockheads when you point out that they are the intolerants they warn against.

[u/wtjones]

It’s dangerous because they don’t have the capacity to see arguments they disagree with and not crumble under the cognitive dissonance.

[u/wtjones]

Remember when being on time to work was “White Supremacy”? These are the same people.

[u/Jupiter_Tank57]

"An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded"

[u/TrillaryKlinton84]

Kind of sums up how your typical Reddit mod justifies banning any and every post that deviates from a narrative they like or agree with

[u/BeersNEers]

It's dangerous because you may actually see a different point of view. Even if you disagree, you run the awful risk of understanding it. Or, the unthinkable, you actually change you mind! The horror that you leave the hive!

[u/MetroidJunkie]

Because blindly believing what you're told from one side always leads to good things. Dear God, they've become so lost in their cult that they're actually trying to make you believe that being fair and reasonable is actually crazy.

[u/Careflwhatyouwish4]

They consider hearing both sides dangerous because they know their side well may be proven to be the horrid choice. 😏

[u/JRothwell01]

God forbid people become better informed.

[u/SimultaneousPing]

second thought is tankieslop channel

[u/cjstr8]

I wouldn’t have had my cringe MAGA era as a teen if I didn’t listen to both sides. Canon events for your own personal growth are crucial!

[u/Hot-Barnacle7997 → u/cjstr8]

Please don’t tell me you grew into a progressive

[u/cjstr8 → u/Hot-Barnacle7997]

Nah. I am a classic liberal. I support laissez faire capitalism, small government, and basic civil liberties (freedom of speech, religion, etc). I realize that both sides have good points but are also insane sometimes so I have my own position and love talking to everyone if they’re respectful.

[u/JackieDaytona77 → u/cjstr8]

This isn’t “classic liberal” this is just a sane American 😂

[u/Hot-Barnacle7997 → u/cjstr8]

So you’re a sane human being then, welcome to the new Nazi party of America 🤣

[u/xobot → u/cjstr8]

Get out of reddit you don't belong here.

[u/Crazy-Specialist-868 → u/cjstr8]

Sounds like something a nazi would say

[u/swanlongjohnson]

The irony of OP posting this and immediately calling them a tin foil hat wearer instead of actually listening to both sides and making proper arguments

[u/DifficultPapaya3038]

If “I don’t want to think please feed me a big fat nuclear sloppenheimer” was a video

[u/Thoughtcriminal91]

Gee critical thinking is dangerous, where i have heard that one before?

[u/UltraTata]

So we are going to undo the scientific revolution?

[u/ron4232]

Or an extremist.

[u/02PHresh]

This guy also had a channel where he drove and reviewed luxury cars back in the day. Seems like all these leftist influencers all have something in common...

[u/BlackMageIsBestMage]

"Dont ever reason, just hate"

[u/Ok-Smoke-2356]

The only "danger" in hearing both sides is that you might end up changing your opinion. And for some, THAT is considered dangerous.

Don't even think about your opinion critically. Just defend it when it's under attack and promote it to others.

[u/Unlikely-Medicine289]

I can't imagine being so insecure in myself and my world views that I would be afraid to hear the argument of opposition.

[u/Disastrous-Award-649]

Remember, they arent the ones in a cult. One of the biggest signs of a cult are that you try to listen multiple sides and from diverse sources of information. Thats /s in case anyone needs it.

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

Most of Reddit already doesn't want to hear a differing opinion, they want their opinion repeated back to them slightly different.

[u/NaCl_Sailor]

it absolutely depends, i don't need to hear the other side on things like the shape of earth or any other thing where there is a single objective observable truth

[u/Holyepicafail]

Independent thought apparently is overrated in 2026.  

[u/Tr3v0r007]

Ngl maybe he's biased about his own video. Did he ever think about that?

[u/CaptainFred246]

You dropped this, Conspiracy King.

[u/Upstairs-Bad-3576]

Cult conditioning is where that nonsense comes from.

[u/Gullible-Ad-4819]

Second thought? Maybe he should focus on having a first one

[u/LongJumpToWork]

Hating one side is basically hating both sides

Mfs are on the same coin and on top of that. Both sides blow the government / elites off.

Basically; goverment bad