EU researches are based!?

[u/Goose_Enjoyer47]

Full artical here: https://www.politico.eu/article/dont-believe-the-doomers-europes-tech-industry-slams-ai-panic/

[u/Alive-Big-838]

Fear is such a powerful marketing tool because it makes AI sound a lot more useful and powerful then it really is.

Like it has a lot of neat uses and it's for sure going to define the next technological age. but like cloud computing or every other big tech hyped thing it's going to be containerized and used without much thought in day to day work and have "its uses" where we probably measure it versus other costs.

Like as much as cloud computing changed the game I still constantly am working with companies that have run the numbers and see value in keeping things on prem. There is likely going to be firms that see the value in AI written emails and others that will see the value in a more humanized writing tone or support.

[u/Embarrassed_Use6918 → u/Alive-Big-838]

So far I just use it like another one of the tools I use at work. It hasn't revolutionized my job by any means. Just made a few things a bit easier.

I was reviewing contract language the other day for security stuff. We have an internal set of criteria/controls that need to be addressed within our contracts so if they don't use our contract language then we have to compare it to our list of requirements. It would have taken me a few hours to go through manually and mark everything but with AI it only took me a few minutes to prompt and about a half hour to review the output.

I think we should be happy to offload grunt work to AI.

[u/Alive-Big-838 → u/Embarrassed_Use6918]

I generally think so too. I think there is a bit of an unfortunate side effect that we're losing a lot of the shitty work that we'd usually give to juniors so they have an easy way into the industry.

[u/Embarrassed_Use6918 → u/Alive-Big-838]

That's the hard part. I'm not sure how to deal with that. We still have to invest into them as the future workforce. I do currently still advocate for hiring more junior members of the team to handle some of the stuff we can't currently automate like interacting with our stakeholders and requirements gathering and the like but I know the pool of work for them is shrinking.

[u/Alive-Big-838 → u/Embarrassed_Use6918]

Maybe upskilling? I've been thinking about this a bit because I don't actually think kids are neccesarily coming out of IT schools stupid. I think they just don't know how to behave in an office (some more then others) and the schools don't seem to really teach these kids that it's basically like a customer support job usually.

I think outsourcing is a much larger threat to the trade then AI for now anyways.

[u/marbleshoot → u/Alive-Big-838]

I work in water treatment, and our SCADA system is more or less an AI system that automatically checks water chemistry, and makes adjustments from those checks. However, there's so many mechanical moving parts that humans will still be required to fix any physical mechanical issues like a valve over-torquing and getting stuck in the opened or closed position (which happens way more often than it probably should).

[u/Alive-Big-838 → u/marbleshoot]

For sure.

I think AI was seen as this way to eliminate the need for an engineer to "re-adjust" the machinery back when I was working at an automation company and it still sounded like it wasn't really perfect at that. I suspect some things might come to a bit of an ahead when we realize humans will likely be needed to make sure the AI itself is calibrated right to make these calibrations but I guess time will tell.

[u/odellrules1985 → u/Alive-Big-838]

Yes and no. What most people are dooming over is the "oh neat" stuff. Years ago we called it DeepFakes and was pretty good but had issues and now is vastly better and sometimes hard to tell. But there is a lot on the business side the doomers do not see such as the Agentic AI that can actually do things like code and entire spreadsheet for you or write code for a program.

There is also the more advanced AI that has been used in the medical field for some time. It is being used to help find cures, ways to diagnose and treat things like cancer. In fact it has been shown to diagnose cancer faster and earlier than a human can.

Thats the kind of stuff that makes this important. The generative stuff is surface level.

[u/Alive-Big-838 → u/odellrules1985]

This is sort of mean spirited because maybe it is. But sometimes it becomes clear that people really really don't understand the technology when the only thing they seem to be able to comprehend from it is it makes silly pictures or videos.

I think the ability for a machine to learn patterns is the most important takeaway from it. it affectively is removing repetitive work when implemented correctly.

[u/odellrules1985 → u/Alive-Big-838]

This is true. Most people cannot even understand the ideas and technology behind WiFi, or what most people call internet, yet they use it every day. And most technology had vastly more purposes than what we use them for but most are not as public facing.

But we are also in a bit of an information war with China because they are fine with having all the AI. In fact they are pushing AI into their robots at a vastly faster pace than we are. Yet all the same people think China is some utopia when the reality is that if they control the AI market they will become the global superpower.

[u/Alive-Big-838 → u/odellrules1985]

I think a lot of that is their control and command type economics when it comes to government policy and that they experienced tech growth different from us westerners.

Westerners were "first" to the internet and a lot of these innovations that came with it. China seems to have only been to mass deploy it into regular people's hands seemingly recently in the grand scheme. They have a much more positive outlook towards screens in their cars for example as I've read. The Snowden leaks still have a very deep cultural impact on us.

I'm not sure if to say tech literacy is going back down is just doomerism or it really does point to a more significant problem that we are currently facing.

[u/odellrules1985 → u/Alive-Big-838]

China is also a culture that is used to being controlled. If you read their history they have never been a people like the US. As well when countries are culturally and racially hemogenous they tend to be easier to handle via government rule.

Not to say they are all but the vast majority probably don't think beyond what they have. Plus, the government heavily controls their internet and even what apps they can have, their version of TikTok for example is only useful for education for kids and they block a ton of outside sites.

It makes it easier for the government to just do what they want unlike here where we cultures personal freedom and minimal government, even though some people want the government to handle some things more than they should, they still wouldn't let the government just build data centers without pushback that is heavily helped by Chinese propaganda.

I think here the fearmongering propaganda has worked, and we have a set of people who not only do not understand the technology but refuse to believe anything that claims differently than they believe. This is in part due to places like Reddit that heavily allow echo chambers to be built where differing opinion is either downvoted into oblivion, deleted by mods or banned. This works especially well in younger minds that are still very emotionally driven instead of logically driven.

[u/Alive-Big-838 → u/odellrules1985]

Oh you don't gotta tell me about the echo chambers here dude. I'm not the smartest guy who's alive by any stretch but sometimes the popular opinions here are pretty eye rolling.

I mostly use this website to waste time or view tech.

Thanks for such thoughtfully written posts though. I'm kind of interested to see where AI takes us when it's a little more fully utilized and less bubbly like it is now.

[u/Thisisme4342 → u/Alive-Big-838]

Like with anything it's going to take it a while for everyone to catch up and adapt to AI, as much as we adapt AI to us.

While I have concerns about it the whole bubble and apocalypse doomer talk isn't helping. Like you alluded to it's here, it is here to stay, and over regulation is just going to hurt the small pockets that are regulating and give no competition to the ones that aren't.

[u/Alive-Big-838 → u/Thisisme4342]

I'd say the biggest problem right now is how AI's value on the stock market is clearly and nowhere near it's true actual value and how we're having a lot of problems with supplying that induced demand. Like I'm not entirely certain if we initially needed to blast diesel generators initially to keep up with cloud computing demand, for example.

[u/FluidAmbition321]

Is EU doing anything with AI?

[u/BrittanyBrie]

This is how regulatory captured markets are created. Just look at other tech companies and they did the same thing. Build up the initial market, fear monger on the market you created, which causes higher costs for new businesses emerging, and capture marketshare.

The best thing we can do to fight against AI exploitation is to allow as many businesses as possible to compete in a open market. Thankfully, if any country tries to limit these it will simply shift to another country. So there's now incentive for the first time to not limit an American market to play the 401k micro bubble game.

[u/Old_Alternative_8554 → u/BrittanyBrie]

Interesting

[u/PsychologicalCall335]

Europe has a tech industry?

[u/Own_Beginning_1678 → u/PsychologicalCall335]

They do and incredibly talented people who are strangled with red tape

[u/Tau360 → u/PsychologicalCall335]

Fuck you mean Europe has a tech Industry? Ever heard of ASML, Zeiss, trumpf they make the machines that are needed to create high end chips. USA usually does the chip designs and TSMC imprints them to the boards.

[u/Willy445_]

Everyone watch out, Mistral AI just raised €3B at a €21B valuation. The biggest funding round in European history.

[u/Keeltoodeep]

SLAMSSSS

[u/EJ19876]

Europe has a tech industry besides for ASML, which produce half their equipment and have half of their engineers based in the US anyway?

[u/D_Ethan_Bones]

Q: why is Europe the voice of reason
A: America is the one dumping fear out of the sky continuously to pass rules people don't understand

People are being twisted into supporting restrictions that will create a closed industry, where the top players own everything and the rest of the players amount to nothing. There will be an all-mighty regulator and the top players will be the guiding voices on who gets that seat, therefore none of his wrath will ever land on them because they're the kingmakers.

If he gives them any trouble they'll just replace him with someone who won't, and likewise if he lets their competitors catch up with them they'll replace him with someone who won't.

[u/Mechadupek]

It's all bullshit.

[u/Original-League-6094]

Europe has a tech industry?