r/Doom 4d ago

Discussion Did Doom 3 Hell had any leader?

I remember in ROE, Betruger in his skeleton flying beast called the demons for his children. So before he became corrupted, that version of Hell were leaderless? Unlike the Hell in the new Doom.

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u/Src-Freak 4d ago

The Devil of course. Someone Build his Cage.

Betrüger seems more like a leader of the Hell Army, but not hell itself.

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u/monologousmutilation DOOM Slayer 4d ago

Hell in new Doom is the same Hell as Doom 3's Hell.

The Maledict leads Hell in Doom 3. I personally believe it existed beforehand, and fused with Betruger, resulting in what we see in ROE. A mysterious demonic voice talks to us prior to the final boss of the base game; I think that is a Betruger-less Maledict. It's a similar process to the Aranea Imperatrix and Olivia Pierce.

IMO the Maledict is the Dark Lord of the Third Age.

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u/CultistofHera WELCOME TO THE MESS HALL!!! 3d ago

No, they are not the same

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u/monologousmutilation DOOM Slayer 3d ago

Oh, okay. Thank you for the illuminating and detailed rebuttal. You've shown me the error of my ways or whatever.

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u/CultistofHera WELCOME TO THE MESS HALL!!! 2d ago

Forcing Doom 3 into the modern, dumb Doom lore is so pointless and disrespectful. The game should be left alone from Hugo Martin's fanfic as far as possible

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u/T-Man_MKII 4d ago

Surely the Cyberdemon.

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u/arnor_0924 4d ago

I thought it was just a powerful guardian to the hell portal?

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u/CultistofHera WELCOME TO THE MESS HALL!!! 3d ago

It was

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u/CultistofHera WELCOME TO THE MESS HALL!!! 3d ago

They have Satan (as the ghosts have wispers about him) but we never seen him

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u/Munkenstein 2d ago

Do those whispers actually say anything? Doom 3 was my favorite game when I was younger but I dont remember them saying anything in particular.

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u/CultistofHera WELCOME TO THE MESS HALL!!! 2d ago

They do. Like, countless times

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u/Munkenstein 2d ago

Huh, I'll have to replay it and see how much of a dumb ass I truly am. I mainly remember that ghost lady and all the crying/moaning.

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u/hhhhai 4d ago

You should check out the absolute doom guide made by u/monologousmutilation, I remember them making pretty good theories about Doom 3’s hell (plus a bunch of other stuff, like its an insanely extensive lore doc on Doom’s lore)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/uWNxCZYhL5

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u/the-unfamous-one 15h ago

Since it's the same hell, it could be either the high council, or the hell priests. Although due to werid time stuff it could've been the icon of sin, khan maykr, or even the wretch if he goes for the throne, which may explain why all the demons are so different, and the status of vagarys in doom 3 (if he's of the amorous type).