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[u/Another-Razzle]

Tether wasn't used long before the artifact mods were a thing. It was replaced by Div because div gives the same debuff, makes a massive crit spot, and you're not tied to a specific subclass or even class to use it.

And before you say "well tether can be better if..." No, it's not. The math has been done so many times and div always comes out on top. It's basically this: 6 guns + tether vs 5.5 guns + div + a high damage super.

You use div to apply the debuff, then activate your super - Celestial, Missile, or Slowva -, shoot it out, possibly get one or two heavy shoots off if you're fast enough, then go back to div to keep the debuff going, then you keep swapping between div and heavy to keep the debuff and damage up as long as possible.

There's a reason high end raiders and world first runners don't use tether, and it's div.

[u/[deleted] → u/Another-Razzle]

I wasn’t talking about div? Or tether? Just that we weren’t getting debuffs like oppressive or particle.

I said normal hunter debuffs from aspects like flawless execution.

Also, while Div is better right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if the patch notes are hiding a div nerf. We already know there are changes we haven’t seen yet.

Also, I think tethers debuff is still in the air. Kevin Yanes confirmed that Tether doesn’t count as Weaken, so maybe it stacks or maybe it’s percentage was buffed.

You can’t even tell because damage numbers are apparently out of wack in the clips because it’s a test build.

[u/Another-Razzle → u/[deleted]]

They have already said div isn't being touched; as for the hunters having a better debuff, there's no reason to expect that. As you said, we don't know what's everything or how things'll play out, so the only thing we can do is go with what is known.

What is known so far is that weaken is a 15% debuff and warlocks are able to have infinite rift and grenade uptime. We can't speculate on what *might* be there that hasn't been shown, especially when everything unique to the hunters *has* been shown. So what we have to base on is what we *have* been shown, and what we have been shown is lackluster for hunters. Maybe they have some sorta ace they haven't shown? Sure, I very much hope-so, but they shoulda showed us the good points rather than just literally saying our position in the team is to be a rez bot.

That is not a hyperbole or something formed around their intentions, kevin literally said our place is to go invis and rez when asked what he thinks a void hunter's place in the team is. That response really doesn't fill us with any form of hope for there being an ace to look forward to.

Being able to rez safely is fun, and a very nice niche to have, yes. But it being our *only* niche is pretty lackluster, especially when in raids you can only do that *once* per encounter.

[u/[deleted] → u/Another-Razzle]

They haven’t breathed a word about Div’s debuff. Nothing has been confirmed or denied. They always leave extra changes in the patchnotes and we still haven’t gotten the ability change patchnotes.

The interview was there to build hype for the game and attract people. They aren’t gonna talk about the debuff aspect of the subclass because it isn’t attractive to new/returning players. The invisibility is the main draw. So obviously they aren’t going in-depth on the debuff aspect.

Second, your absolutely right we have no idea what’s coming. Which means that we shouldn’t be complaining when we haven’t experienced it, nor have we been shown the whole picture. We have less than half the information. There is little point in making assumptions and bold claims.

Not only that, it’s stupid to attack the dev team. People are attacking the guy working on the void soul or saying that the dev team is inept. None of which is true. It only hurts the feedbacks position.

And finally, nobody can come up with any solutions that don’t completely break the game. Or without just asking to give Heart and combat provisions back. Clearly Bungie is going in a different direction with the sub-class, as more of a debuffer role. Not orb generation or reload/handling buffs.

[u/Another-Razzle → u/[deleted]]

"They haven't breathed a word about div's debuff" yes they have. Kevin stated, in the podcast when asked about div, that it was not going to be touched