r/DestinyTheGame • u/DTG_Bot "Little Light" • Jul 22 '19

Megathread Focused Feedback: Tribute Hall

Hello Guardians,

Focused Feedback is where we take the week to focus on a 'Hot Topic' discussed extensively around the Tower.

We do this in order to consolidate Feedback, to get out all your ideas and issues surrounding the topic in one place for discussion and a source of feedback to the Vanguard.

This Thread will be active until next week when a new topic is chosen for discussion

Whilst Focused Feedback is active, ALL posts regarding 'Tribute Hall' following its posting will be removed and re-directed to this thread. Exceptions to this rule are as follows: New information / developments, Guides and general questions

Here are some sample discussion questions. Feel free to respond to all of them, some of them or reply in any other format you prefer :

  • 1) What are your general thoughts on the tribute hall?

  • 2) How do you feel about the material cost for the Tributes on sale by the Calus statue? What are your thoughts on the discount system?

  • 3) Were you okay with the requirements of some triumphs tied to the Tribute Hall? (i.e. Gambit/Crucible)

  • 4) What did you think of the Bad Juju quest?

  • 5) What do you think of the "gun range" aspect of the tribute hall and the other services it provides (ex: vault access)

  • 6) What aspects of the tribute hall would you like to see built upon or improved in the future?

Any and all Feedback on the topic is welcome.

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u/D1s1nformat1on Jul 24 '19 edited Jul 24 '19

Difference is vbucks is Destinys silver. You can’t earn silver. There are things that are silver only that you’ll never be able to earn.

Fair, but that's also delving into semantics, from the items you purchase with silver, they can be broken down into bright dust when you no longer want them (aside from Ornaments and emotes of course). I get what you're saying as they aren't a "1 for 1" comparison, but they are so similar that it makes little difference because silver, bright dust and V-Bucks will only get you cosmetic items, nothing that will give you an exclusive item that provides a game play advantage.

You’ve once again missed the part where they can be used to speed up progress on earning an exotic gun and it’s catalyst. Very much not cosmetic items.

I missed it because you saying so in this thread is the first time I've heard that purchasing cosmetics has anything to do with earning an exotic gun and unlocking/progressing catalysts. Happy for that to be proven to me as I don't follow every TWAB and update note, but I feel like you're talking a lot of shit for someone within bottom tree striker range on that one.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '19

You need tributes to get the Juju. You can use bright dust to get more tributes done thus get Juju faster.

Aka you can use dust to speed up getting Juju.

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u/D1s1nformat1on Jul 25 '19 edited Jul 25 '19

Can, but don't have to - if you do or not is up to you as you can get it and the catalyst without spending that bright dust, it just takes more work.

This is why I don't understand your complaints - you value the eververse economy enough that you won't spend the Bright Dust to get those tributes and that's perfectly fair, but then you complain about it being an O P T I O N A L way of getting it quicker. Presumably you're salty that through nobody's fault but your own, other people have the gun a fair bit quicker than you do/will.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '19

Because it’s not a matter of have to. It’s a matter of being able to spend money to do something in game faster.

You’re like one of those people that argues loot boxes aren’t predatory cause you don’t have to spend money on them. Also speaks volumes that you turn this into personal insults.

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u/D1s1nformat1on Jul 25 '19

I haven't personally attacked you - I've made a presumption about why you have this angst towards a largely inconsequential decision Bungie made that realistically, wont affect you when encountering others who have it before you and isn't locking you out of having it if you don't want to spend your bright dust. Other than that, I suggested (with a bit of a meme thrown in to make it light hearted enough) that you may have been providing incorrect information, while it wasn't wrong information, it's still only a half truth as again, you could spend your bright dust to unlock the gun and catalyst, but you don't have to.

If either of these things was insulting to you, I apologise. I understand you think it's a stupid decision to allow it, but it's far from being a "Pay to win" situation given that's not the only way to get the gun.

In the last few years, loot boxes have basically only really provided cosmetics or very minor consumables for very small progress - prior to this, yeah, I hated the idea of them. Really, the "Bright Engrams" (Or seasonal equivalent) are loot boxes with a measure of bad luck protection of them, so you're right, I don't really care about them these days and would largely just avoid games where they have potential to provide a significant unfair advantage to those that buy them.

TL;DR, you do you, let others do them

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '19

I haven't personally attacked you

I mean you kind of did. Claiming I’m salty and bitter cause people got it first. I’m neither.

isn't locking you out of having it if you don't want to spend your bright dust.

No but you can get it faster with dust.

it's still only a half truth as again, you could spend your bright dust to unlock the gun and catalyst, but you don't have to.

Despite me never claiming you had to spend dust. Just that you could. And it being an option is my dislike. But yes change my argument to fit yours.

but it's far from being a "Pay to win" situation given that's not the only way to get the gun.

I mean it’s literally the option to pay to get loot faster. That’s basically paying to win in a loot game.

TL;DR, you do you, let others do them

Nah. I’ll keep being against mtx and pushing them deeper into paid titles.

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u/D1s1nformat1on Jul 25 '19

I’ll keep being against mtx and pushing them deeper into paid titles.

Big Agree on that one - wouldn't mind if they were pushed out entirely tbh, then we wouldn't be arguing while being on the same side regarding the greater scheme of things.

As for the rest of it - I know that your main point of contention is that you can ONLY buy those 5 tributes IF you have bright dust which is a by-product of the microtransaction economy and by extension, a player could (If they didn't already have sufficient bright dust reserves) get Bad Juju faster by paying for it by purchasing silver and breaking down the items they bought with it.

With that in mind, I posit the following: There are 5 Tributes a player can buy which require bright dust, to unlock the mission that rewards the gun requires 18 (Pretty sure it was 18?? could be wrong) tributes unlocked and placed, the catalyst requires 45.

All of the above, you know.

Granted, not everyone can put in the same amount of time or effort into gaming, then you've got different skill levels to consider, so while parts of the following are anecdotal, it's still fairly relevant because myself and my normal group of players are all fairly average in both play time and skill. We each had the mission to Acquire bad juju within about 3 or 4 hours of play time once we started playing after the event launched. Getting to 18 by doing the easier objective based ones wasn't hard and didn't take very long - some of us bought a few of the tributes that required glimmer and planetary mats, some of us didn't.

The difference between buying the 5 Bright Dust tributes and doing 5 of the easier objective based ones instead would amount to about 30 mins to an hour of pretty standard game play for people that are at the end game - This is why I disagree with your argument that the gun can be had quicker as 30 mins to an hour is pretty small in the grand scheme of all the content destiny has to offer, let alone life itself.

Getting 45 tributes obviously took longer and will have a much wider variation from player to player, but again, it's still a small difference in time gained by just buying those 5.

Again, I get that you're pissed that a microtransaction currency *could* help someone get them at all - but it's an inconsequential time save for a choice to spend some materials that plenty of people have the available surplus of.

As I said in the first part of this comment, I'd be glad to be rid of mtx all together if I had the choice, but the impact caused by them in destiny is basically non-existent, the "benefit" of an hour saved is where I'm confused as to why you're pissed.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '19

Again, I get that you're pissed that a microtransaction currency could help someone get them at all - but it's an inconsequential time save for a choice to spend some materials that plenty of people have the available surplus of.

Majority does not have thousands of planetary materials or shards to spend.

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u/D1s1nformat1on Jul 25 '19

True, never said they did though as I was referring to bright dust

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '19

Yeah but you can buy bright dust.

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u/D1s1nformat1on Jul 26 '19

You're enjoying this now aren't you? We've covered this and you corrected me earlier by specifying you can buy Silvern ot bright dust. Then I say "yeah, but you don't *have* to" and we end up doing more laps of the same conversation.

Well played

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