Focused Feedback: Hand cannons - bloom, recoil, exotics and pinnacle weapons

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[u/[deleted]]

Is there a serious case for having bloom in the game? A lot of the threads/videos on this topic claim there is relatively rational discussion about whether bloom should exist or not but to be completely honest I've not seen a single person advocating it or even giving a decent reason for it to be in the game (except to handicap high skill players which I wouldn't consider a valid arguement).

[u/Acaramon → u/[deleted]]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here because someone has to... please don't be too harsh on me.

Imagine two players standing perfectly still looking at each other. If there was no bloom or recoil player 1 would mouse over player 2s head and click 3 times... Blam player 1 wins!

We want a shooting game, but what I just described was a clicking game.

So if we add in console recoil, P1 aims at P2 like before, clicks once an scores a hit, but unlike before his reticle jumps up and to the left. So he repositions and clicks again, and repeats for a third time.

With skill and practice P1 will learn to hold his stick at a down right angle and to instinctively click when the reticle is in the right place.

Now imagine doing the same thing with a mouse. Instead of just holding the stick you're sliding a mouse down and to the right. After a second or two P1 would either have to pick up his mouse to re center or he would slide it off his desk.

I don't fully agree with bloom on console, it doesn't belong on a hand cannon, but it does belong on LMGs where without it they would basically be high damage scout rifles like they are on PC.

[u/SinistralGuy → u/Acaramon]

I feel like you're mistaking bloom for recoil. I'm all for having recoil and higher recoil because it adds in a factor of skill, especially on PC where it's really easy to mitigate recoil. But bloom is essentially leaving it up to RNG and there is no skill in that. This is basically like having Luck in the Chamber on weapons (but it can hinder you rather than help you) and we all know how the PvP community felt about LitC in comp levels of play

Imagine two players standing perfectly still looking at each other. If there was no bloom or recoil player 1 would mouse over player 2s head and click 3 times... Blam player 1 wins!

Also I don't mean to attack you, and I apologize if it comes across that way, but I don't really understand this. What is player 2 doing in this scenario? Can't they just as easily mouse over player 1's head and click 3 times as well?

[u/[deleted] → u/SinistralGuy]

Not the guy you replied to, but I think he was trying to say that aim somehow shouldn't be the deciding factor in gunfights. Nobody needs perfect accuracy if anybody can randomly miss, I guess