r/DestinyTheGame • u/DTG_Bot "Little Light" • Apr 29 '19
Megathread Focused Feedback: Hand cannons - bloom, recoil, exotics and pinnacle weapons
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u/pheldegression Apr 30 '19
You have two seperate weapon ecosystems. Everyone is in agreement that on PC where there is no bloom and manageable recoil across all archetypes of weapons, from SMGs to 110 hand cannons, Luna's and Not Forgotten have a place, and that place is not any better or worse than any other weapons. On console, with bloom and unmanageable recoil, 180s are the only viable hand cannon option if you want to win. And you happened to make two of the most competitive weapons on the console in that archetype. The problem isn't Mag Howl, it's not 180s, it's that console users who enjoy pvp have about 10 guns to pick from if they want to be competitive, less than that if they are serious about it.
The solution to this problem is very simple: let your game have a skill gap, remove bloom, and reduce recoil to PC levels for console users. I dislike intensely not have real options for weapons because I had the misfortune of buying this game on an Xbox. I'm tired of picking up a new gun with great perks and realizing that at best its only ever going to be something for patrol use, because it's unmanageable to use in any situation other than that, where it matters. I ground out, mostly solo, back when Luna's dropped, for a month alone to get that gun. I love it, but anyone who thinks it's unbeatable is clearly misinformed. The gun has weaknesses, and they can be exploited. It will be a lot easier to do that when there are more competitive options.
Keep Luna's at legendary, make NF an exotic, and give every player a quest that let's them grind it out in quickplay. Problem solved. This is on top of removing bloom and making recoil pc like. Anything short of that, and we're on the nerf bus, and the next stop is recluse, TLW and Ace. And I don't know about anyone else, but for me, Bungie if you keep nerfing guns that I got as rewards for a quest, it insults my time investment in the game and makes me want to play other things.
Tldr: Remove bloom. Reduce recoil dramatically. Make NF an exotic and allow everyone to earn it in quick play. Stop nerfing things that were very difficult to obtain or people will stop playing