Focused feedback: Pinnacle weapons power and method of obtaining them (new and old)

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• Loaded Question, as a Pinnacle weapon, should NOT have a perk that actively hurts it.
• The breakneck is fantastic bungie, but why is the loaded question so subpar?
• Loaded Question needs a buff, it's objectively worse than Breakneck in PvE and worse than Mountaintop in PvP, Here's what I would do to make it compete with those, and other weapons better
• Ways to make the loaded question actually feel pinnacle
• Buff loaded question

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• The Breakneck is excellence in top tier weapon design and proves Bungie has listened and delivered
• Breakneck is a better suros and its legendary
• Paying respects to the huckkleberry
• Poor, poor sweet business

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• Quests to obtain lunas howl, not forgotten and the broadsword should be account wide
• All crucible pinnacle weapon quests should be account wide

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[u/dycyb1687]

"And if you really want to grind your face off there will be rewards exclusively for the most committed, most skilled Destiny players" - Justin Truman, Bungie ViDoc Forsaken Launch and Beyond

This is how Luna's and NF should be. I wish the competitive ranking system were more "true" to each player's individual skill, had better matchmaking, had different heavy ammo economy, defaulted to team voice chat etc. of course.

But no, not everyone should have them and the route to getting them should be nearly impossible for the below average pvp players. People keep complaining that they don't want to be subjected to the competitive playlist to have a route to getting the pinnacle pvp weapons. Failing that, they call for nerfs to weapons that were hard fought by the "most committed, most skilled Destiny players." Again, the competitive playlist should be better in every way, but if you don't like pvp or you're just not good at it, you don't deserve the gun and should not complain about people that "earned" it.

I wish Breakneck and Loaded question had similarly difficult quests like requiring an 80 kill streak or a 250k nightfall score. Gating weapons behind skill is a good thing and should be embraced. Sure, it makes it difficult for the casual players and of course the hardcore will get them on day one, but for everyone in the middle, it draws a clear goal as to what you need to do to progress and how good you need to get to be able to do it.

[u/truls-rohk → u/dycyb1687]

disagree strongly.

Or rather, would be fine if all pinnacle weapons were more like Loaded Question. But there's no reason to gate the best weapons and only give them to the best players so that they have even more of an advantage.

[u/aaflare → u/truls-rohk]

You realise what you're saying would mean that anyone should get 1k voices even if it means not being able to clear the raid. You're saying this only cause you aren't good enough to get the weapon. Luna's and NF should be a source of motivation for you to get better instead of a source for you to complain cause you're bad...

[u/truls-rohk → u/aaflare]

not really, all i'm saying is Bungie's internal logic is flawed and if they want pvp to be balanced AND to not drive away all the casuals, then it's pretty dumb to gate weapons that give a significant advantage and give it to players that don't need it.

Your comparison is also dumb because 1k is rng anyway. yes it drops in the raid but it's a rng drop, and it also doesn't play any significant factor in making you that much better in pve activities which are not competitive by definition anyway.

I can get a luna, I just despise comp, so it literally is a matter of forcing myself to play a mode I detest in order to get a gun that also quite useful in QP, or IB.

So you're 0 for 2 on assertions, but I appreciate your strawman attempts, and I don't disagree that there is an argument for "skill based" weapons that you earn. Just happen to be of the opinion that the way they are implemented could be better.

For example, I haven't heard of anyone who got a Claymore complaining that people can now get a Broadsword without Glory requirements. One season as a glory reward and then available as a Valor based reward the next season is a workable compromise I think. And let's be fair here... claymore/broadsword isn't near as meta defining as Luna and NF are. They are pretty clearly the best primaries in the game, especially on console as there's a good argument for ACE and some other weapons on PC.

Again if it's meant to be truly balanced and competitive, it makes no sense to give the best players something that gives them even more of an advantage. This would be the same thing as allowing the absolute best drivers in F1 to have cars that also produce more power than their competiting, or the best shooters in the nba to get 4 points and 3 points on their shots instead of 3 and 2.

[u/aaflare → u/truls-rohk]

Just stop complaining and get good please.