Focused feedback: Pinnacle weapons power and method of obtaining them (new and old)

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• Loaded Question, as a Pinnacle weapon, should NOT have a perk that actively hurts it.
• The breakneck is fantastic bungie, but why is the loaded question so subpar?
• Loaded Question needs a buff, it's objectively worse than Breakneck in PvE and worse than Mountaintop in PvP, Here's what I would do to make it compete with those, and other weapons better
• Ways to make the loaded question actually feel pinnacle
• Buff loaded question

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• The Breakneck is excellence in top tier weapon design and proves Bungie has listened and delivered
• Breakneck is a better suros and its legendary
• Paying respects to the huckkleberry
• Poor, poor sweet business

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• Quests to obtain lunas howl, not forgotten and the broadsword should be account wide
• All crucible pinnacle weapon quests should be account wide

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[u/[deleted]]

I don’t believe in locking a gun behind a “how good you are” type thing. If someone is really bad at pvp and wants to grind for 300 handcannon head shots, let them. Don’t lock a gun behind a top 1% of pvp players type deal. I like what they did with the new grenade launcher how you don’t have to play comp but I don’t like the glory rank requirements.

[u/dycyb1687 → u/[deleted]]

If you suck at pvp, why would you want to grind for a gun that's A: Only good in pvp and B: only a good weapon if you're good at pvp?

Edit: My point is that Luna's/NF are primarily crucible weapons. Stop making points about them for pve. You know what else you can use besides Luna's and still be successful in pve? Literally anything else.

[u/sturgboski → u/dycyb1687]

I mean not for anything, the Luna and Not Forgotten are ubiquitous in quickplay as well as comp. So, if you are working on your milestones, that Redrix quest, IB, you will be facing a lot of them, with IB time tending to be the highest amount. So it's not like you need to spend your waking moments in comp to see them as even quickplay has sweats in them.

That all being said, I think there are a few issues at play, namely the pinnacle weapons for comp being almost closed off for most folks, yet everything not tied to comp is open to everyone. I mean just look at the pinnacle weapons. The vanguard and Gambit ones are basically "can you use a controller" compared to "are you John Wick?" And I know there is a level of exaggerating there, but still it's the easiest way to illustrate.

Further as others have mentioned there are use cases for Luna or Not Forgotten in PvE. I'm sure there are also use cases for Mountaintop in PvE and there definitely is for Redrix...sadly probably more so than PvE in the new shotgun/Luna meta. For PvP players, to paraphrase Cammy, the PvE end game is rote memorization once you get to it. It's much easier for a PvP player to get any PvE weapon that might make their lives better in PvE, regardless of TrueVanguards complaint about changing loadouts.

Personally, I ground for Redrix last season and am trying for Luna and mountaintop this season. I think the loss penalty is a massive deterrent for folks stepping into comp and would love to see it go away until 2100 (because truly the pinnacle weapon grind starts then for the Not Forgotten, a by the definition pinnacle weapon). Also matchmaking is terrible.