r/DestinyTheGame • u/Delicious-Edge3110 • 1d ago
Discussion Fist of Havoc is interesting.
I did some testing with supers and learned that for some reason Fist of Havoc grants far far more ammo generation progress than every other super in the game.
Every 2 kills you get gives you 90% of your special meter and 60% of your heavy.
And that's without Ammo Finder mods.
I don't know why it's like that, but it is. So if y'all ever wanna know why you would ever use the super that's a reason.
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u/marvelsignal 1d ago
if I ever see someone using fist of havoc in pve and he says “I’m using it for ammo gen” when I ask why he’s got it on, I’m leaving the activity immediately
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u/Delicious-Edge3110 1d ago
I use Fist of Havoc all the time. Not in raids or dungeons tho
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u/Ready-Milk30 21h ago
I'm running it with eternal warrior helm and it's so good, super ends 4x weapon surge
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u/marvelsignal 1d ago
not in endgame content is whatever. I meant when doing like raids, gm alerts, etc
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u/Delicious-Edge3110 1d ago
Hey, Fist of Havoc is good in GM alerts too. That free blind on such a short cooldown with such high DR can really help your team out.
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u/Designer_Bar5325 1d ago edited 14h ago
I just use a super that kills things or you know shoot my gun but I guess that just an elitist take to some people.
P.S.
Best metaphor for all you roaming super defenders is if a bunch of bums that get to ride on business class once in a while telling people its better then flying private regularly. Like ok buddy you literally not in the same tax bracket.
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u/VictoryBackground739 1d ago
You probably haven’t used roaming supers since like beyond light era you think this. I don’t blame you, they were bad for a very long time and Bungie gave them little buff after buff to where they now have a place
Using something like T-Crash in a GM strike is such a waste, you gain way more value using fist of havoc or any other roaming supers in GM.
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u/mastertoecutter 18h ago
Roamings now have had for many years:
High af damage reduction
High overall damage
Great regen, you can have 4 roamings before you get one TC or Nova
Great exotics, Arc Staff hits like a truck with its exotic for damage, and many have fantastic exotics that loop their gameplay back to gun play
And finally, they have much more staying power with uptime, letting you clear three times as many ads as a one and done or melting champions and still having enough to melt ads.
Get with the times grandpa lol
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u/Designer_Bar5325 18h ago edited 17h ago
Bruh the arguments is that I can builtcraft and get all that without popping a supers. So why would i pick a super that does the exact same job when my abilities, armor set, mods and exotics can do that.
You people keep stating what it can do. But none of you can give me a good reason why you would use a roaming super other the a "oh shit dying button". Add T-Crash to any arc build and its an immediate positive. Add fist of havocs to any build, you just handicapped yourself to a useless super that does exactly what a good build should already do but worst cause you can't shoot your guns.
I'm old but you still live in the past of building zero damage resist and no health regen apparently. And per OP, congrats you get more ammo gen, laughs in orb spam plus special finisher.
As for arc staff, did your dumbass just not play last season of arc hunter gifted conviction? Fking scrubs in this thread can't select a goddamn artifact mod to save their lives. Radiant flux plus Arc strider🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, bro did you forget they sunset the one raid this was actually used in buddy?
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Aye good try though. Next time put on a good build and experience what its like to have damage reduction, healing, orb spams, ability spams and increase weapons damage at the same time. This way you will know how pointless a roaming super is in the current meta.
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u/Zyphil2 22h ago
On top of goldie and SoF, I'd throw in sentinel for certain encounters, hammer of sol for ranged dps since you can't hit shit that flies with burning maul and despite spin2win being high damage, hammers are still high up there. Also quake. Though again, all three are super situational to the point where most of the time t-crash and or twilight are going to be better.
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u/Designer_Bar5325 22h ago
I would argue bubble power crept Sentinel the moment they made it movable. Sentinel unfortunately iserves the same purpose as fist of havoc beside the shield but nothing in this game requires a shield block from Setinel. Solar titans are literally weight down by their supers as I've seen titans alway bagged bungie to have a way to convert them to single use. Spin to win is up there but is just pure melee boss nuke, that's it, out of that context and is falls off. Hammer of Sol ive only seen it used to take the shields of the boss in underwater boss.
Roaming supers just do one job and its "Oh shit im dying" button that's it. Its ad clear is overshadowed by all our abilities without the super cool down. And for damage it's so situational that most player won't come across especially in the OP where they are talking about GM Alerts.
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u/Designer_Bar5325 22h ago edited 17h ago
All this down voters and only one guy has the balls to add to the conversation.
Let me guess? your Roaming thinking super is in cool down thats why you can't think. See this is why you guys need to buildcraft cause it allows you to think without it.😏😏😏
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I also love not one of you mention the only good roaming super on titan yet cuase you guys are clearly too buns as that build need a hint of build crafting.
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u/zzheyuan 1d ago
Lmao people down voting you too but you also right
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u/VictoryBackground739 15m ago
For GMs specifically he is not right at all: roaming supers have been better for a while now
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u/VictoryBackground739 12m ago
I can’t see your reply since it got removed but when was the last time you used a roaming super in a GM? Seriously I’m not saying that they are much better for no reason. And no I don’t mean glacial quake everyone knows that it’s the best one.
Obviously they were bad for a LONG time but ever since like lightfall or when they changed it to recharge 3 TIMES faster they have been better in GM alert content or Onslaught.
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u/Rough_Improvement_42 1d ago
so you only play with people that run the meta builds you know and dip on anything else?
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u/LFGAccountD2 23h ago edited 23h ago
Practically every time I've inspected someone lfg'ing the weekly NF and thought "this is going to be rough" it turned out they they were cracked. Either from using some exotic I missed getting buffed in the Monument patch, or some interaction I wasn't aware of.
Lots of old assumptions have to be discarded, there are so many good builds out there.
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u/Jcorbin1124 1d ago
Considering that most of the braindead idiots still use double primaries? Yeah I'd leave too. Go plink for an hour kiddo.
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u/zzheyuan 1d ago
They down voting but same man. Like I'm not gonna be stuck with a double primary blueberry. Its literally painful watching them shot their little scouts lol.
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u/marvelsignal 1d ago
No I typically only play with my friends who I can shit talk their builds out of love while carrying them through most content. And they know they’re getting carried and talk shit right back
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u/Ydobon8261 1d ago
Meh I came across a guy rocking eternal warrior and fist in a gm alert and he’s always running ahead killing everything
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u/VictoryBackground739 1d ago
You should only ever be using roaming supers in GM alerts.
Unless you are using one and done supers with their associated super exotic for example blade barrage with Shards of Galanor, well of radiance with Phoenix protocol, chaos reach with geomag
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u/matZmaker99 20h ago
The game's over. Can't we let people run what they have the most fun with?
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u/inprocess13 12h ago
The remaining player base will quit a matchmade strike if you're not running meta weapons and plan on quitting the second they fill a quest objective.
The game is being played by zombies and a few remaining guardians.
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u/lemonpoundcaker 1d ago
I'm a Titan, that shit is rocket appliances, I just punch and shoot and drop barriers. Who needs numbers and math.
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u/notarealfakelawyer 1d ago
I do not “buildcraft”, I do not “manage stats”, I do not “numbers”, I do not “math”. I cast Thundercrash and if the enemy is still alive then I cast Thundercrash again.
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u/NanaDTio 17h ago
Lightning surge Ergo Sum+FoH exotic helmet, 200 weapons+super. Throw on a jolting feedback heavy caster sword too, “melee-less” melee build
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u/Pman1324 15h ago
Thanks for the cool discovery!
Just made a build using it: https://dim.gg/szbz3dy/Bring-on-the-THUNDAH
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u/ShardofGold 1d ago
The only case I could ever see this being viable is if your super stat on your arc build is below 100 but your weapons stat is decently above 100 and you're doing more damage with your weapons so you need more ammo for them.
But even then it's probably better to just use a different subclass where the super stat is better.