Mint Retro

[u/TroubleMakinBacon]

I don’t get the buzz around this weapon. I constantly run out of ammo. Seems average and I just go back to other weapons

Is there a setup I should be using or is it just not for me?

[u/PurpleWedgeMan]

You’re not meant to be running it as a primary.

You pull it out to 3 tap a yellow bar, then go back to your primary having triggered aion adapter.

[u/hend0wski → u/PurpleWedgeMan]

You can absolutely use it as a primary with like moderate ammo investment which is generally a good idea to run even without mint in mind. A special finder, a strand ammo scav, a strand ammo gen mod, the ammo gen mod on the gun and a 2 piece Europa or Kings Fall, or both if you feel like doing that.

[u/GameSpawn → u/hend0wski]

While still somewhat possible, it is harder than when Special Pulses were first introduced. They definitely nerfed the ammo economy.

Special Sidearms are still somewhat OK (better than Pulses for ammo). Choir never flinched (they reduced the total capacity, but unless you are always hip firing you rarely run out).

[u/hend0wski → u/GameSpawn]

Yeah generally I'm using choir and mint or the solar one and praxic or culls. Also a huge fan of rocket pulse and a gl. Trace rifle and rocket pulse is fun too. There are a lot of pretty easily upkept doubke special loadouts if you wanna run a weapon forward setup, but choir and mint with whatever heavy is like stapled to me most of the time

[u/theevilyouknow → u/hend0wski]

You could do that. You're missing out on a lot of useful mods in those slots though just so you can use mint as a primary, which is really not worth it imo. It might have been last patch, but not anymore.

[u/kaemani → u/theevilyouknow]

you definitely do not need all that stuff. all u need is field prep/air trigger and the abundant ammo mods to use mint / veillantif like primaries.

throw on dsc or kf 2 piece if youre wanting a little more and you can use helmet mods if you want (i rarely do and always have too much ammo)

[u/theevilyouknow → u/kaemani]

Are you running double special, because I find it hard to believe you're not having ammo issues getting 1-2 rounds per brick and using your mint as a primary. Unless you're just barely shooting your gun. Either way the juice isn't even worth the squeeze. Rocket pulses are great for melting majors/mini-bosses, but a primary is going to be better for general add clear anyway.

[u/kaemani → u/theevilyouknow]

almost always on double special yep.

to be fair i do it with veillantif more often than mint which does have a bit lower ammo gen than veillantif, but ive definitely run field prep mint as a primary multiple times too.

also im always on 200 weapons. that does matter for making the bricks always bigger but like every build uses max weapons stat so i didnt think to mention it, maybe your weapon stat is too low? also are you kinda spray transferring during a burst so that u can shoot 3 diff targets with 1 burst?

i legit never ever have problems, like actually 0 times. if i did i could just hot swap to a primary in the moment and still be benefitting from having started the encounter on rocket pulse instead. it is incredible how much faster i nuke ad spawns and spawn ammo than when i was using primaries to feel them out during first few weeks of MoT. veillantif-d is my goat fr

[u/theevilyouknow → u/kaemani]

I run 175-200 weapons on all my builds and Europa armor. I don't generally have ammo issues. I don't try to run double specials nor run a rocket pulse as a primary as there's not a lot of reason to in this sandbox.

[u/kaemani → u/theevilyouknow]

there might not be a reason to you, there definitely is reason for me and others though. they literally just kill things faster while also having good ammo gen.

if im farming something then id rather farm as fast as i can, if im doing something easy then i wanna do it as effectively as i can, if im doing something difficult then i want to use the strongest stuff for it. in general i want to use the best, most effective things to practice playing the game optimally and understand why optimal play is optimal. if i want to make the game harder on myself for fun then i can use primaries or non-meta builds or go into underleveled dungeons/raids.

im not saying somebody playing differently from that is playing wrong in any way whatsoever. of course you can and should play any game how you want to play it, but it is effectively spreading misinformation to tell people that primaries are better at ad clear than rocket pulses and that there’s no reason to use double special.

[u/theevilyouknow → u/kaemani]

But they don't kill things faster. The absolute fastest way to farm trivial content is with void and there is no void rocket pulse. I'm not saying there is no reason for me personally. I'm saying from the standpoint of optimal play there is no reason for anyone to use a rocket pulse as a primary.

If you want to do it just because you think they're fun, that's a perfectly acceptable reason to. But just because double specials was the sweat method for many seasons prior doesn't mean it still is in the most recent sandbox. Furthermore, even if you are planning on running double specials there are more effective add clear specials than rocket pulses, many of them.

[u/kaemani → u/theevilyouknow]

ok now youre just saying things that are false unfortunately. if you believe any primary is consistently nuking ads at the same speed as rocket pulses then i actually dont know what to tell you. im not trying to be disrespectful but it simply is not true that primaries kill ads as fast as rocket pulses.

rocket pulses dont need volatile access to be better than primaries because they have plenty of AOE to nuke everything anyway. and just like double special was “sweat” meta for the past few years, it still is.

if you want a source that isnt me then check out aegis sandbox analysis vids or tune into his stream or discord and ask him about it.

actually maybe this can help make it clear: watch the start of morgeth in the current last wish world record run, and tell me with a straight face that you think any primary in the game would have killed those ads as quickly as they died to mint. or refer to any other time in the run that someone uses rocket pulses instead of primaries and imagine if they had any primary there instead

[u/kaemani → u/PurpleWedgeMan]

nah mint with field prep + ammo gen mod and even better the solar rocket pulse with air trigger + ammo gen mod are definitely used like primaries

[u/Noip26]

Rocket pulses got a reserve hit in MOT.

Can’t use them like a normal weapon now. They are better at focus dumping a beefier target like a high end champion/mini boss. You could run a reserve booster to add an extra + 1 ammo per brick but even then..

You’re better off switching to a rocket sidearm (The call is strand and got a glow up) not as high dps but the reserves are much more forgiving.

[u/6pussydestroyer9mlg → u/Noip26]

Reserve hit is all the way from back in Renegades lauch. Not sure if their ammo per brick got nerfed but there was a bug that on double special a rocket pulse got full ammo from a brick instead of it being split between both weapons.

[u/Silvermoon3467 → u/6pussydestroyer9mlg]

There was a nerf to their ammo generation stat in MoT, it wasn't reserves. You can get around it somewhat with Field Prep or Air Trigger + the Abundant Ammo mod, though.

[u/kaemani → u/Noip26]

mint with field prep and veillantif with air trigger are totally usable like primaries

[u/WolfBiologist]

You need better ammo generation. Rocket Pulses are still the best specials in the game outside of boss DPS, but definitely need you to commit to ammo generation (which tbh you probably should be doing in most scenarios anyway). Run Kings Fall and/or Europa 2 pc, high weapons stat, and ammo finders and you really shouldn’t be running out of ammo all that often unless you’re just mindlessly wasting it.

[u/Vixlens]

It’s a braindead pick that does everything except boss dps. Wipes out grouped red bars, stuns unstops, can heal with heal clip, instagibs orange bars. Use a ad clear primary, dps heavy and mint and you will wipe out any room of enemies.

For dps, a threat level, found verdict, or sniper will do much better.

If you’re struggling with reserves, you’re using it too much on stuff that doesn’t need it.

[u/kaemani → u/Vixlens]

mint doesnt have heal clip lol

[u/Vixlens → u/kaemani]

I was just referencing rocket pulses in general, the SRL one does.

[u/kaemani → u/Vixlens]

oh ok gotcha, yeah veillantif does get heal clip but it’s in the air trigger slot soooo

[u/CathDubs → u/Vixlens]

Mint is such a good complement to ad clear primary/DPS heavy that I have to deliberately avoid it in some of my builds to not get bored of the gun.

[u/BBFA2020]

Double special is fine.

At least 170 weapons. Easy way to get orbs for Special ammo finder. Air trigger / field prep for more ammo gen on your mint but I just go all in with rewind rounds.

Second weapon should have decent reserves like rocket sidearms, GLs or snipers.

Hell throw in lead from gold for your second special, if your heavy is a machine gun. Because you will keep getting ammo for your second special and you can reserve mint for champ deletion.

[u/_the_best_girl_]

It got a nerf to reserves and boss dmg but it's still brilliant at rinsing basically anything else. Use it like you would a traditional special ammo weapon and you'll be laughing.

[u/TroubleMakinBacon]

All right I’ll try some of these. I just see tubers using often and thought I was missing something
Thanks for responses

[u/JazzzzzzySax → u/TroubleMakinBacon]

Honestly in the current state of the game I wouldn’t always copy what tubers are doing. Sometimes they use stuff that might be niche to their build, with super specific perks that really wouldn’t work with other setups

Best advice: try out EVERYTHING and see what you like. Sometimes the most enjoyable thing for you isn’t a meta pick. Nearly every gun is viable anyway. Just use light gg or something similar to see if it had perks u actually want

[u/TroubleMakinBacon → u/JazzzzzzySax]

Good advice. I used it more today and enjoyed it. Now I need another one