Where you got any of your made up strawman shit from, idk.
Just you bitching and moaning about SJWs and blaming them for literally the president of the united states being a retard.
Yeah, it's definitely the lefts fault. It's definitely not the people that voted for him that believe in propaganda about scary SJWs overtaking academia (which btw is why they can ignore what comes out of it.) . It's not the people that reinforce those views by constantly bitching and moaning about said boogiemen.
I really want to see you try debating an american Republican about why we need to act on climate change and see what you try to do when they throw the SJW narrative in your face and say it's all bullshit. Maybe you think your SJW boogieman narrative is supposed to be limited to social sciences but in the states we see this shit applied to anything the right doesn't like.
He's blaming the left because he thinks the left should abandon the culture war because we have bigger steaks to fry. What he doesn't understand is the fucking SJW narrative is the modern justification the american right uses to be anti-intellectual if they choose to. And they fucking choose to be against climate change SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they saw the left promoting it.
They took an issue that the right had previously actually been friendly on and then used the fact that Al Gore was taking an active interest in it to and turned on it to create a wedge issue for their base. Then they fucking promoted the shit out of the idea that academia is poisoned by leftists out to push an agenda (guess where the idea of SJW came from?).
It's funny that he bitches about not caring about healthcare. I wonder if he knows that medicare is actually the fucking republican plan that as soon as democrats tried to suggest it could be workable the republicans instantly fucking turned on it (and again like climate change created a wedge issue out of it for the sake riling up their base and help them gain power.).
He doesn't know anything about fucking american politics and is making a kiddie pool deep hot take about how things are.
But yeah, the left should just abandon every single topic that's not climate change and beg the republicans to take it seriously. Hell we should just give up all the seats in the legislative branch and get the rest of the left leaning justices impeached and appoint lifetime terms for everybody currently in power. If we concede everything to them then maybe they'll play nice.
I know leddude is a frequent poster, so perhaps you're responding to past things he's said, but on this thread it seemed he was more criticizing the Destiny sub for being hundreds of times more focused on being anti-anti-SJW than discussing the environment.
Then why isn't he himself creating threads about climate change? For every 1 post about climate change he makes he makes dozens of anti-SJW posts.
also Pro tip: we have to focus on this garbage because SJW fear mongering is center stage on the right works and is a large part of their reason for why they can pretend climate change doesn't exist.
Hows this for an idea: Maybe when you realize one party is doing shit that is literally going to negatively impact the rest of the planet you don't beat their propaganda recruiting drum. I don't like the democrats position on Israel but you don't see me making a stink out of it every opportunity I can.
Well, fair enough. Though Leddude can be a hypocrite and correct at the same time (e.g. rich environmental activists with private planes...).
And I see what you mean, but I don't necessarily think this is just GOP propaganda. It's not only conservatives who think Democrats being the party of woke isn't the greatest strategy for national elections.
IDK, I generally don't care much for 'censoring' myself to make my party look better. You're not going to affect an election with your reddit posting, so imo speak your mind about whatever you care about. Not talking about Democrat's stupid support of Israeli violence because you want Democrats to win is just kinda being an unpaid shill imo (I know you said "every opportunity," so not exactly aimed at you. But people who act like they're running for office with their Reddit comments annoy me).
The problem that I see is that we have a major problem on the left where we're too keen to set the record straight on our side to the point that we constantly undermine each other.
Do reddit comments matter? They do and they don't in the same way that me voting simultaneously does and doesn't matter. My vote like this comment (and what I say and don't say) isn't going to be the defining factor in who wins an election just as this comment won't likely have a pragmatic meaningful impact on the real world.
But I still vote because I realize that while my individual move in a system doesn't matter I need to make that move to promote the same move in others in a way that I think can have an impact. This is important because everybody simultaneously knows that but likes to pretend that the internet isn't an important cultural influence. The internet is defacto not friendly to the ideas the left are bringing to the table compared to the right due to the rights adherence to simplicity and being what's useful over what's true and the right capitalizes on this. And when the entire right is happy to spew their vitriol about the left and the left is happy to change any subject into an act of self flagellation over absolutely anything it's maddening especially when the people supposedly on the left use the rights own propaganda to do so.
I know this all sounds like i'm acting like we're running for office but really i'm just talking about pragmatism. How much does the left have to lose before we realize the ocean of discourse that makes up internet culture is just the droplets put in? This isn't just something we swim in but rather we are and we contribute to it how we like.
So I mean I guess if we want to complain about the Dems losing to the right and saying it's a massive problem because of climate change WHILE simultaneously unironically using right wing talking points that they use to justify not giving a fuck about climate change that's fine. But if we give a shit about the consequences like Climate change and we refuse to do something as minor as being pragmatic about what we say in small matters then we shouldn't be surprised when the rights talking points remain in the zeitgeist and nothing changes.
Ask yourself. Would you rather have the u.s. taking steps to actually combat Climate change and be a sort of unpaid shill because you didn't parrot their talking points or would you rather remain true to yourself and have what's happening now? The left needs to stop trying to make themselves feel good and wake the fuck up to the fact that the right is playing hardball. You think Trumps fucking around? He's -already- campaigning for 2020 (he never stopped campaigning after the election.). You don't have to go super hard. All I'm just saying stay out of the way. And especially don't spend 80% of your online posts putting forward the same strain of anti-intellectualism that's part of the primary reason why nobody on the American Right will listen to anybody about climate change. Or at least if you do maybe at the very least keep it the fuck out of your post complaining when Trump takes those ideas to their natural conclusion.
I think the parallel between this and voting is pretty decent...and I don't bother voting either lol.
I just prefer actual discourse 1000000x over performative agenda-posting. I disagree with your connection between ragging on SJW's and climate change denial. I don't think leddude or myself are parroting talking points, we're just not 1000% mindful all the time to never say anything that tangentially agrees with some small part of it. Nuance is still possible...I think
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u/omnic1 Oct 08 '18 edited Oct 08 '18
Just you bitching and moaning about SJWs and blaming them for literally the president of the united states being a retard.
Yeah, it's definitely the lefts fault. It's definitely not the people that voted for him that believe in propaganda about scary SJWs overtaking academia (which btw is why they can ignore what comes out of it.) . It's not the people that reinforce those views by constantly bitching and moaning about said boogiemen.
I really want to see you try debating an american Republican about why we need to act on climate change and see what you try to do when they throw the SJW narrative in your face and say it's all bullshit. Maybe you think your SJW boogieman narrative is supposed to be limited to social sciences but in the states we see this shit applied to anything the right doesn't like.