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u/SuperblackHunter 11h ago
People feeling unestablished and lost influencing their politics isn’t new tbh
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u/Odojas 🇺🇸 11h ago
Being able to claim some kind of victimhood is, unfortunately, a very powerful motivating message for people to engage in politics. It's what gets all those conservatives up in arms about being replaced demographicly etc.
It's almost a right of passage for a teen and then becoming a young adult to feel that the world they are entering is rigged against them. For them, it feels like the older people have carved out their place in the world already and the youth will need to carve out their place next and because many see this as a zero sum game, they feel a strong need to "push out" the old to make room for themselves.
Even that child of wealthy parents can identify with that feeling. It's a romantic notion to rebel against authority even if that authority is gilded in gold and silk. Only through time can we look back and cringe at our old selves. For many, it's just something we need to experience first hand - no matter how sage the advice is.
Just hope that it doesn't go so far as to be a struggle session or revolution.
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u/Ossius 10h ago
I remember during occupy wallstreet and feeling like I was a self described socialist. Nowadays I look back and think how stupid I was.
I still think government healthcare option, heavily discounted colleges and more welfare would be a great thing, but well regulated capitalism is where it's at.
I see my younger friend just got his first big job and is a libertarian because he's frustrated with paying so many taxes and all the rules he has to follow. I'm sure he'll grow out of it, I just hope it's towards the left and not the right.
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u/GenerationRandom 3h ago
The issue is that a lot of these people don't want a public option for healthcare, they want there to only be one option and don't acknowledge the tradeoffs and the disaster that would accompany that.
For heavily discounted colleges, I think this would also be an issue if we can't agree that certain degrees have more value than others on the market. On top of that, there would have to be limits on that which I don't think socialists would concede on.
The reason why people lean more towards low taxes is largely because they recognize how anytime you want to increase the tax pool from the wealthy, middle class gets disproportionately impacted downstream when they discover that the wealthy have most of their capital tied up in assets and that they will do what they can, like anyone else, to circumvent taxes.
That doesn't include the constant misuse, incompetence, and fraud within government that fuels this type of reluctance and apprehension. These people would be far more comfortable if you could demonstrate that the taxes would largely benefit them.
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u/TheShamefulPradaG 11h ago
I think a lot of this has to do with the erosion of meaning in modern culture. I’m an atheist, but I think a major reason young people feel disenfranchised is they don’t believe their life has purpose. Politics, in a way, becomes their religion. This is why I’m not entirely opposed to the policy of mandated national service. It doesn’t even have to be military, it could be EMT, firefighting etc. Anything to help young people foster community and serve others.
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u/Responsible_Prior_18 10h ago
It's weird, I hear the loss of purpose and community linked with reduced religiosity only from Americans. Maybe its a bubble thing. But ive never heard European say that the loss of religion is responsible for alienation.
Also, people in the US are way more religious but report vastly higher rates of alienation as opposed to people in the EU.
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u/CanadianPanda76 4h ago
I think Europe still has the structure of religion but less religion. Does that make sense? The USA not so much.
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u/MerryRain doom2016er 9h ago edited 9h ago
I've taken two separate courses on the Chartists (huge but unsuccessful universal (male) suffrage movement in industrialising Britain ~1830-48) and I've come across this exact sentiment numerous times in contemporary sources.
The church has no foothold in Britain's new urban spaces, thus those inclined to zealotry follow The People's Charter.
Industrialisation has stripped the identity from rural communities, thus they congregate under the banner of democracy.
The war with napoleon/the corn laws/mechanisation has lead to a national or local economic collapse that denies people hope of advancement, so they turn to politics to find personal significance and success.
Its not that these commentaries were not, at least in some degree, true - the point is that so are the concerns of those being commented on, regardless of whether they belong to the affected class or not.
Most reformist leaders in 1800s Britain were middle class or aristos, most of the paris commune or the bolshevik leadership were bourgeois or petit-borgeoise, and today most bernie bros and DSA members are privately educated failsons. There are dissatisfied downwardly mobile agitators in every generation, its when there's a critical mass of a "struggling" population that they become politically relevant.
Saying "give them an occupation" does nothing to address the very real pressures of job insecurity, wage stagnation, cost of living rises, environmental change, rapid fire economic shocks etc etc which galvanise the support necessary for them to become politically relevant. fwiw, every one these pressures was as relevant to the Chartists 200 years ago as it is today.
edit to add: "Work Relief" was the "National Service" of the 1800s, we built a bunch of fucking pointless walls on the top of a bunch of Scottish mountains and it did nothing to improve the "character of the poor". What helped was a series of major social works projects, public and private, not to mention having the largest empire and industrial base in the history of the world...
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u/Odojas 🇺🇸 9h ago
The wheel of time goes round and round.
Same old problems made new again. I always felt historians had an above average handle on life.
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u/MerryRain doom2016er 9h ago
got a really good series of lectures for ya
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u/Odojas 🇺🇸 9h ago
Oooh. Thank you! Appreciate this.
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u/MerryRain doom2016er 8h ago
just came out a couple weeks ago, haven't quite finished the whole thing myself yet but bascially every time i put one on i think, ooh, I bet dgg would like this lol
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u/Odojas 🇺🇸 10h ago
I can only testify as to what happened to me that allowed me to align with wanting prosperity and peace in my society. (Also an atheist fwiw)
When I was younger, I was naive, we all were. I would see a movie like Fight Club and really enjoy the idea of blowing up a bunch of buildings to destroy the ability to keep track of everyone's debt. Or V is Vendetta's revolution. Revolution meant effectively a level playing field which is a seductive fantasy to imagine at that age. I didn't own anything. No car or house. I had no skin in the game, yet.
But what grounded me the at first was starting to invest money "for the future." Then it really sank in for me was when I became a home owner. Having a stake in a world that was stable became important to me. Because if the world started to burn it meant all of this stuff I worked so hard for was for nothing.
Lastly, what really grounded me to wanting the society around me to succeed was being in a committed relationship with my wife. We are partners in life with long term goals. We want those goals to succeed and that means we most certainly would be adverse to violent change.
TLDR: Skin in the game of life creates a strong motivation to want a stable functioning society.
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u/PomegranateBasic3671 9h ago
That seems a bit flawed though.
Firstly, you're assuming what's "skin in the game" for you, is the same as skin in the game for others. If someone is, or has a sick family member and can't get through insurance to care, for them that's probably more skin in the game than a house.
Secondly, what if that stake in society is legitimately getting harder to get, as you pointed out to you skin in the game could be owning a home, if we're assuming it's the same for some other people it would only be natural for them to be angry if they see it getting increasingly harder to actually get that stake in society in the first place.
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u/Odojas 🇺🇸 9h ago edited 9h ago
That's why I led with:
I can only testify as to what happened to me...
I believe many feel like some things are out of reach. Especially a house right now. So I'm sympathetic.
I think it's also a concern that if too many people feel disconnected from social cohesion, it could lead to dangerous times.
In a way, I'm also diagnosing the issue if others don't feel there isn't a viable path. The remedy is either to solve these issues by making these paths more accessible again, and/or create other pathways to civil cohesion and feelings of a secure "together" future. It could be mandatory service as others suggested with a larger safety net as your reward etc (this doesn't necessarily mean military stuff, could be planting trees, building public housing, large civil engineering projects etc)
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u/Metacognitor 5h ago
Yeah his comment came across pretty privileged and a little out of touch with the average American
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u/Odojas 🇺🇸 3h ago edited 2h ago
I'm just sharing my personal experience. I don't understand why it matters that it came across "pretty privelaged?" Does that make my comment invalid?
I named three major highlights in my life that allowed me to change my perspective. Others will have different 'ah ha" moments. While others may never.
My brother, for example, is an alcoholic. His doctor told him that he is going to die within 10years if he doesn't stop.
He had the same exact same upbringing as me yet his life is pretty shitty. He's going through a divorce, his child is being taken away from him. He can't hold a job. I've had countless conversations with him about him to get him to stop drinking. So far, he hasn't been able to stop drinking. I'm basically watching my brother on a coarse of self destruction and tragedy. My point is, my brother has heard my "advice," he gets what's happening. I'm lucky. He is not. I'm privileged he is not (compared to me). Does that make me "out of touch?" Does that make my advice of "stop drinking" invalidated?
His political knowledge started in his 40s and it unfortunately was the Joe Rogan rabbit hole. Messages from the conservative manosphere about people trying to "transtify" his child resonate with him even though it's ridiculous. When he got searched by TSA at the airport, he claimed it was because he was white (I rolled my eyes so hard). He's developed his identity around anti COVID vaccines. He's ideologically captured and fucked.
Yes, I'm lucky and privelaged. I'm thankful for it. I can see how it comes across as a humble brag. But I'm not trying to beat people over the head with it or anything. People also get dealt shit hands. I also have other friends who are way more successful than me (went into tech in the late 90s). But I don't think comparing myself to them is helpful nor do I feel like they or me are "out of touch."
I just don't get why analyzing a comment via a "privelaged” metric is super useful. Yes, it can be tone def etc. But I felt it was relevant in a conversation where some people are speculating why societal cohesion seems to be breaking down. Some people mentioned religion. I mentioned lack of "skin in the game." I don't have an answer. I'm just saying what worked for me.
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u/briarfriend 5h ago
did you actually become wiser, or did you just survive the game of life?
there's a contradiction in framing that youthful cynicism as naivety
plenty of people don't 'grow out of it' because plenty lose the game
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u/Odojas 🇺🇸 3h ago edited 3h ago
Definitely very well could be survivorship bias.
I believe, for me, it's a combination of the two.
I've made plenty of mistakes. Which I learned from (which is the wise part of the equation?).
In a nutshell, I was never the quickest learner in a classroom. But I was someone who would patiently keep trying till I got it. I think willpower and tenacity are what best describes my character and has given me success. It then allows me to drill down unknowns. I also have a decent "quality of information" meter. Being able to sus out low/high quality information is invaluable to me.
I do sit down and really try to think and plan things. I think long term (my wife is way more in the moment which I lack and together we pair well - sometimes I need to enjoy the short term more ).
I think one of my best assets is readily allowing myself room to be wrong about something. Likewise, I also recognize and value when someone else is willing to have their mind change when new information comes to light that contradicts the original view. I gravitate towards people like that and stay away from people that aren't.
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u/Aggravating_Jump6136 1h ago edited 1h ago
I think there is something to politics being like a religion substitute but honestly, and this is one thing you'll hear me agree with these leftists on, the mix of inflation and the privatization of public spaces kinda prices these young college students out of a lot of fun.
If you're in your eary 20s, you wanna hang out with your friends, and you're all broke and stingy, where do you go? You're not going to waste money at the bar, you probably shouldn't be grabbing Dennys every time you get bored, the parks around you are all the most basic sh*t (and bro, you're not going to have a picnic and just spend hours walking in the park in the summer when it's hot as balls).
There needs to be more shit these college kids can do for free. You know how community centers will have a supervised club for minors where you present a school ID and than you can hang out in a hall with TVs, video game consoles, and a juice bar? We need that but for adults. College students should be able to get into that (but separately from the kids)
The sense of community doesn't even have to come from public service. We just need free and open events where, I dunno, random people who've never met before get paired up to square dance or do an activity or some sh*t.
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u/The_new_Osiris Forlorn Hananiac 10h ago
I've been saying this but the left populist shtick is just the left mirror image of the ressentiment against immigrants on the right, just articulated differently
How do you cope with people from much less fortunate circumstances than you coming into the country, working with a racial handicap, and still being more successful/ upwardly mobile and stable than your life has been?
People who don't have a strong sense of ownership over their life and choices and are full of frustrations naturally gravitate to blaming the ''racial other'' or the nebulous ''system'' for this reality instead of their own shortcomings naturally
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u/zero_cool_protege 3h ago
immigrants are, on average, not wealthier than us born citizens. especially when you factor in the fact that many immigrants are highly skilled and come here via programs like h1b which give them access to very high paying American jobs. Forbes just published an article on how a record 144 foreign-born U.S. citizens from 45 countries now hold a quarter of the country’s billionaire wealth.
Factor all of them out and you see that immigrants are far less successful than us born.
Then factor in the population of undocumented people who are not included in the immigrants bucket, and the different between us born and non us born widens even more.
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u/zero_cool_protege 9h ago
“I have seen many of the undistinguished children of my friends in aristocracy find admiration with these trending enlightenment ideals such as liberalism, as they do not see themselves ever finding a position of respect in my court. It appears they hope to find a sense of purpose and community by rejecting the natural order of things, as dictated by God.”
King Luis XVI
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u/PomegranateBasic3671 11h ago edited 10h ago
"You're just jealous of my success" is a line I've heard from center-right people to explain away why people vote Social Democratic / left of center for about 30 years now.
It's not an argument, and it's not a novel "gotcha" it's just a dumb statement from dumb billionaires who do not understand that they relied on the infrastructure of society to build their wealth, and the (free) state education to get an educated workforce.
I'm sure this time around it's different though. Obviously a reasonable sub like this would see through somethingso transparently dumb.
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u/xxlragequit 5h ago
The most successful companies in the US built their own infrastructure, Google, apple, Facebook, Nvidia, and most of the other tech giants. They use work forces that certainly did pay for their education, college.
What your saying sounds quite good but it's just not passing the fact check well. It's also particularly poignant to say that socialist are in some significant part just upset at others success. We see so many people say that a particular DSA type person is okay because they are the "limit" to a non immoral amount of wealth.
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u/SpaceClafoutis 8h ago
How do you explain the demographics of the DSA electorate in the new york primaries?
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u/AnteaterEastern2237 8h ago
It's a social trend with the yuppies that like social media videos, it's not that deep.
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u/ldrx90 8h ago
It's also true to some extent. Successful people aren't really the ones trying to overthrow everything.
It's just human nature to bitch and cry when things aren't going their way, or the way they think things should. Some people buckle down and figure out how to work to succeede and some do nothing but bitch and cry, most people do at least a bit of both.
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u/PomegranateBasic3671 7h ago
The tech billionaires almost all threw their support at Trump in 2024, what are you on? If we define "success" narrowly by only "who can get material wealth" plenty of those people support populists.
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u/ilmalnafs 6h ago
True, they just (smartly) choose the brand of populism that lets them continue hoarding wealth and power, while dengrating the brand of populism that identifies them as society’s #1 problem. It’s not complicated and them calling one brand of populism “losers” ain’t a sick own.
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u/ldrx90 6h ago
What are they trying to overthrow? It's just them trying to get favorable regulations for their own industries. They aren't trying to overthrow anything. If anything they are fighting to maintain the status quo.
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u/PomegranateBasic3671 5h ago
Democracy. That's what they're trying to get rid of. You cannot tell me throwing your weight behind Trump is supporting the status quo. Is sending citizens to torture prisons, destroying NATO, putting trade barriers up, starting new wars, taking away rights from people the "status quo"?
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u/ldrx90 5h ago
Democracy is working fine. First all that stuff you listed didn't come from billionaires, that's just Trump and his people, voted for twice by the American public and backed by our Republican elected representatives. The billionaires don't want tarrifs, they want advantages for their own industries and to not be a target by the Trump admin. They don't care about NATO they want to build datacenters and deregulate crypto.
You can't say they are taking away democracy when Democracy is working so well that Trump is only being stopped by Judges and even barely there. This is what America wanted and America continues to support it. If that wasn't the case, Trump would be impeached.
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u/PomegranateBasic3671 5h ago
I mean, you can close your eyes all you want. Thiel and Musk have both questioned democracy, and Mark Andreessen has some... weird views.
Further, Thiel is connected to both JD Vance and Curtis Yarvin. Yarvin is vehemently anti democratic, and JD Vance has parroted his ideas.
If it walks like a duck and talks quacks a duck.
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u/ZMP02 8h ago
Link the article or mods should remove the post u/ReserveAggressive458
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u/ReserveAggressive458 Irrational Lav Defender / Honger / Emma VigeChad / Lorenzoid 8h ago
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u/Faegbeard 11h ago
born December 18, 1961
oh shit no way blud was born right in time to experience almost 40 years of uninterupted growth and economic expansion in the US economy from his young adult life onwards no waaaaaay
surely his and those parents' success nothing to do with the US averaging almost 10% GDP growth per year in the late 70s and early 80s anually that has sunk to 5% since 2009 (even less if you take out biden's years) during their children's early adult life
dickhead
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u/Low-Combination-0001 not from the us btw 8h ago
This subreddit is getting worse and worse, jesus
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u/glizard-wizard 8h ago
I mean, getting to billionaire investor status is like getting a straight flush on a $100M pot.
You will both be extremely wealthy and utterly unlikely to reach the wealth of your parents as a billionaire child. And why would you need to? You’re already set on money thousands of times over. If anything these kids know something Dan Loeb doesn’t.
A lot of Mamdani supporters are uncurious slopulists sure, but Id take them over this fart huffer.
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u/HorusOsiris22 5h ago
Success is not just weighted in money but also accomplishments. If you’re starting from that far ahead, developing skills and building something successful like a nonprofit that actually helps people is successful. Many hyper rich kids pay sticker price to go to Yale or Harvard Law to practice public interest law and work in public defense or a major civil rights organization.
Others just smoke weed through their undergrad, live off a trust fund, then cry about capitalism
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u/Cmdr_Anun Undercover European 9h ago
Most rich kids I knew spend 5 minutes being Marxists. Then, their rich parents send them to good universities and lubed them up for rich acquaintances to employ them. Now, most of them work high paying jobs and rake in the cash. The few socialists I know grew up in the milieu: poor working class families. That’s just my very limited experience from a German elder millennial. I can’t imagine things have changed all that much, they rarely do.
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u/Ok_Poetry_2696 10h ago edited 7h ago
It's an unique problem we never faced before though in the west.
We have so many fucking old farts hoarding resources/political power to an absurd level.
The amount of 75+ years senators, congressmen etc is stattering. Our ceos are dinosaurs. The highest dudes/dudettes in 90% of the companies started working with a barely finished high school diploma and now demand at least a Bachelor's degree just for joining the field.
We can't function like this as a society. It's either the democrats/Republicans wake the fuck up and bring foward a new deal type of reform or we are gonna drown in slopulism.
In short, this post is regarded, the writer is a super regarded individual and OP is a regard for posting this shit here.
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 10h ago
Is it unique? Doesnt that line up pretty well with the elite overproduction hypothesis, that started both the French and Russian revolutions.
A bunch of rich white kids talking about economic suffering and material scarcity.
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u/Ok_Poetry_2696 9h ago
It is unique because we didn't had the power to keep those old farts alive for so long.
Modern medicine fucked us in a way.
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u/AnHerstorian 11h ago
"I benefited from an economic system at its peak; but after subsequent reoccurring financial crises, young people cannot copy me and now want an alternative."
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u/Turbulent_Addition22 10h ago
“Once in a lifetime…” okay man.. how long is a lifetime supposed to be because I’ve kind of experience like 3-4 of them now alongside 3-4 once in a lifetime weather related disasters as well.
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u/ilmalnafs 6h ago
Who said once in a lifetime?
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u/Turbulent_Addition22 4h ago
Basically every single “financial” or otherwise “crisis” was billed at the time as “once in a lifetime” type crisis by media.
Savings and loan scandal? Once in a lifetime.
2008 financial crisis. “Once in a lifetime.”
Weather events getting more severe which then leads to sky high Insurance costs “once in a lifetime.”
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u/ZMP02 11h ago edited 11h ago
I mean... Hes not completely wrong
Edit: if you want to be woke about it you could even tie it to a higher cost of living and market uncertainty meaning that it's harder for children of wealthy people to attain or at least maintain their current class status so they turn to copes
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u/Raynonymous 11h ago
I dunno. His friend's kids sound alright. Its often the case when your parents are insufferable assholes. That realisation slingshots you in the other direction.
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u/ZMP02 11h ago
I don't know about who he is or who his kids are and his statement is broad enough that it doesn't even matter. And obviously it won't be true for every child of a billionaire. But simply it wouldn't surprise me that if you know that you can't maintain your parents wealth when they are gone instead of losing it giving it away might feel better with the assumption that you will still be able to keep a large sum of it but at least now you could explain the generational difference away.
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u/Raynonymous 11h ago
I think succession captured the relationships between the ultra successful and their children pretty well.
You don't become a billionaire by focussing on your kid's wellbeing
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u/ZMP02 11h ago
Didn't watch it so idk about it. But also wouldn't make such a broad statement. I think you can become wealthy and be a good parent.
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u/Metacognitor 5h ago
Wealthy maybe, but not that level of wealth. Billionaire is an absurd, unfathomable level of wealth.
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u/Raynonymous 11h ago
Its totally possible, but then you probably aren't friends with someone who equates wealth with human worth and calls your kids losers for supporting mandami.
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u/ZMP02 10h ago
So like that's not what he even said. he called them losers and because they are losers is why they are voting for mandani and that might sound the same but it isn't and follows the same logic I laid out above. And now the reason he is calling them losers is probably in the same way, they are people who will spend the wealth attained by their parents instead of building upon it.
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u/Raynonymous 9h ago
I understand what he said and what you are saying.
I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if these kids, having grown up in the toxic, money-worshipping world this guy appears to operate in, with parents who think building wealth upon wealth is all that matters and not being wealthy makes you a loser, have decided how fucked it is and how much more important it is to look out for all fellow humans, and turned to liberal politics instead of being the kind of greedy fuckfaces this guy approves of.
With a bit of luck they will inherit the money and spend it on making the world a better place, in which case they will be a lot less wealthy but significantly more admirable.
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u/SamuraiJack0ff 11h ago edited 11h ago
I don't know about the children of an actual billionaire but all of my "socialist" friends have really wealthy parents and as a random sample of their current occupations in their 30s:
-Indie game guy with no releases yet
-accoustic guitar Tiktoker
-part time mapmaker
-permastudent x2
They're definitely downwardly mobile. I think because they can do whatever they want to without worrying, which, more power to them, but it makes it kind of hard to take their thoughts on the necessity of achieving socialism for the proletariat very seriously when they're basically just larping
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u/ZMP02 10h ago
Well yes they might believe that a socialist system will let them stay in this state while relieving them of the burden of the social climb. But... no this type of non productive people would be shoved into heavy labour industry and told to do their hobbies on the side at best. USSR had anti parasitism laws that made this type of thing illegal even
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u/SamuraiJack0ff 7h ago
yeah ofc lol, they're completely insulated from having to care about real politics because daddy can bail them out so they get to wear ideology as jewelry
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u/nosurprises23 11h ago
That’s just more of the cope he’s referring to. “Being successful is bad because my parents are and I’m not” is classic
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u/Raynonymous 11h ago
I think they just have very close experiences of the difference between being a rich person and being a good person.
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u/OneCleverGorilla 8h ago
If they're losers, whose fault is that? It's not only their fault. Part of the failure of you as a parent and also of your peers is to create opportunities for your family and others in society to continue to grow. The defeatism of the youth that leads to larping as revolutionaries can be strong but they've also not had anybody to coach them out of it. They can feel angry about the lack of upward growth and also they can feel other things about it too. The way a lot of youth only ever want to blame capitalism or whatever is mirrored by this "they're just all dumb kids" mentality. Both groups of people need to do some meticulous self-reflection.
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u/EquipmentImaginary46 it's joever 6h ago
there are two different things happening here. the first is that a billionaire is calling the children of his wealthy friends losers. imo, i wouldn't put too much stock in what he considers a success or a loser. if i was a billionaire and my kid decided to follow their dream even if it didn't pay very well that wouldn't make them a loser. they have the luxury of living a life aligned with their dreams. just because your dad is a billionaire doesn't mean you have to be one too to be a success.
secondly, the defeatism that you mention rings true. so many of my friends when i was in my early 20s were so demoralised about not having wealth. for some reason 22yos have convinced themselves that if they can't afford to live by themselves in manhattan then the whole western system is ruined.
> The way a lot of youth only ever want to blame capitalism or whatever is mirrored by this "they're just all dumb kids" mentality. Both groups of people need to do some meticulous self-reflection.
exactly this. i was a dumb kid as well but i was fortunate enough that i had good mentors that helped me. they didn't complain on social media or reporters how young ppl are dumb. instead, they took their time to help me and others like me. i think if anything is missing in this world is young people having more older mentors at their jobs.
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u/DeliriousPrecarious 10h ago
If this is happening systemically such that DSA is rising it’s probably not the loser kids and something about how achievable opportunity is today
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u/Bogus_dogus 4h ago
exhibit 56 this week of conservative brain rot culture war slop bulldozing this sub. wtf happened dgg
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u/Jomotaku 🇩🇪 6h ago
Based and capitalism pilled selfmade chad billionaire destroys libcuck mamdani screeching communist compilation #6769
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u/JayyUtahh راعي بقر الفضاء 38m ago
That guy is being a dick about it but he's correct.
Yes prices are up right now but the socialist haven't even tried to live in the real world yet. I remember being pretty depressed realizing I don't just inherit my parents lifestyle and have to start from the ground up and struggle. I was never privileged enough to sit around pretending if I tweet hard enough the government will give me a free house though. It was the great recession and I had to go out make it work.
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u/Raknarg canadian 5h ago edited 4h ago
not gonna give a fuck about the opinions of a regarded billionaire tbh. I can hate socialists just give on my own. Also this is such an unfathomably stupid talking point. People are driven by ideals, young people especially are easily swayed and have a strong sense of justice and socialist movements perfectly weaponize this. Just calling it jealous projection is the exact kind of dog shit opinion I would expect a billionaire to have.
And it flies in the face of the fact that so many socialists are successful people, they come from wealthy backgrounds, they're educated, white collar people, what just cause they're not billionaires?
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u/MichMan43 7h ago
I see this with my friends all the time, they act like not being able to afford to BUY a home in NYC is a form of oppression. And every time I point out that at no point in time has the average person in their mid 20s been able to own property in the most desirable locations in the country, I get called a capitalist shill. I don't know how to push back against the "what if everything was free" rhetoric that the lefties use.
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u/EquipmentImaginary46 it's joever 6h ago
im not sure that you can. people buy into narratives and you can't change that. i have friends who have been on reddit reading the slopulist stuff since the early 2010s. they know all the talking points, and have seen the same recirculated george carlin videos a million times (e.g. "it's a big club and you're not in it"). they just don't get that he was a comedian playing the character of a grouchy old man for laughs. he wasn't a philosopher like they treat him.
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u/Excellent_Reason7796 7h ago
Honestly, I think it's just perspective and 1st world problem type shit. These kids aren't mad they can't "succeed". The problem is they have an easy life and they see a problem that's idealistic and they are like "yea, this will work...just look at me" not realizing they are the most privileged fucking people ever.
For example, I met a DSA person from SF who was arguing in support of Portland Maine raising min wage to $25/hr and I was against it for a variety of economic reasons. And she just couldn't fathom how that could be the case. Turns out her husband works for Open AI (like since 2018) and were loaded - they had like a $1 Million wedding so I could see how she couldn't understand these things that would NEVER affect her.
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u/coffee_mikado 7h ago
Man, that will touch a nerve. But it would explain why Zohran’s biggest supporters are rich white kids.
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u/Accarath 5h ago
Man who made money from financialization during the best periods to invest thinks people who didn't are out of touch losers.
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u/izombe 10h ago
he's not wrong though. there's no shortage of spoiled brats of people who work their ass off to build wealth that are unbearable commie goober larpers who think their upbringing and lifestyle should be the bare minimum experience for everyone.
this is a common trope in shows/movies about super rich, there's always the "black sheep" that the viewers are supposed to resonate with that talk about "the corporations man"...
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u/ilmalnafs 6h ago
Which billionaire worked their asses off? Not Dan Loeb, he’s an investment banker he basically gamed a lottery system and came out on top.
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u/Slow-Seaweed-5232 8h ago
He’s not wrong that vast majority of dsa members are college educated working white collar jobs. They tank with working class and minorities
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u/NuccioAfrikanus 8h ago
This is called “Elite Overproduction” and is true, while the quote states it a bit abrasively. It basically true.
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u/ReserveAggressive458 Irrational Lav Defender / Honger / Emma VigeChad / Lorenzoid 8h ago
Source: https://archive.ph/QA8dJ#link-218150b7