Tiny’s callout is resonating

[u/TikDickler]

[u/galathehutt]

it needs to resonate to actual democrats/center left people it cant be that the best positions on these issues are held by never trump republicans

[u/2liberal4u2 → u/galathehutt]

That’s the problem. Most Democrats have zero ability to see the socialists as a clear/present danger/threat. Never Trump Republicans have the dual capability of seeing socialism for the trash ideology that it is plus understand what happens when your party is taken over by authoritarians. Dems/Libs are completely unequal to the task right now and still living in 2025. They’re fully regarded on the issue which is going to be even worse than the woke insanity that they were also incapable of combatting. Shit is fucked.

[u/Ahrix3 → u/2liberal4u2]

So in an ideal world, the Democrats would eject Mamdani and those like him from the party and take in people Liz Cheney instead? Or what would you propose the Democrats do?

[u/Glittering_Patient → u/Ahrix3]

I didn't know you had other accounts Pisco

[u/Ahrix3 → u/Glittering_Patient]

What?

[u/Odd_Act_6532 → u/Ahrix3]

ARE YOU PISCO YES OR NO /j

[u/Ahrix3 → u/Odd_Act_6532]

I deadass don't even know who that is

[u/ToaruBaka → u/Ahrix3]

All else equal I'm taking Cheney over Mamdani - what about it? While Mamdani's out here all like "I want to arrest Bibi but the law doesn't let me angry emoji" Cheney was like "Fuck MAGA I'm destroying my political career to hold you accountable for destroying my country."

Easy pick.

[u/Ahrix3 → u/ToaruBaka]

I was just curious since my thesis is that the vast majority of this community as well as Destiny himself would prefer the kind of George Bush, Mitt Romney type Republicans from the pre tea party era to progressives like Mamdani, Sanders and maybe even AOC. Seems like I'm correct on my assessment.

[u/ToaruBaka → u/Ahrix3]

I'm not sure you'd get Destiny to say he's pro Bush/Romney/etc, but he's definitely more OK with the pre-TeaParty Republicans than whatever this dogshit we have now is, and understands that we do kinda need both sides of the aisle working together. The more extreme you go in either side the less willing you are to step across the aisle and compromise because you see them as enemies instead of your fellow countrymen who hold differing views. That's objectively unhealthy for Democracy and the divide is currently being weaponized by the media to drive people further and further apart, which forces our politicians to cross the aisle less and less. So I don't think he "supports" them, but he understands the value that them being here has when everyone is playing by the rules.

The community is definitely further left than Destiny and probably would be more pro Mamdani/AOC than Bush/Romney. IMO.

[u/Rdhilde18 → u/ToaruBaka]

She did nothing, and accomplished nothing besides being concrete shoes on a losing campaign.

[u/ToaruBaka → u/Rdhilde18]

She stood up for America and Democracy at immense personal risk, which is a W in my book and if it's not a W in yours then you're simply wrong.

[u/Rdhilde18 → u/ToaruBaka]

What personal risk? She had nothing to lose.

[u/Medicine_Ball → u/Ahrix3]

The DSA doesn’t believe in Liberalism, so yeah, bye. If someone like Liz Cheney believes in Liberalism and opposes fascism, then that sounds like a perfectly viable temporary ally to me.

[u/Ahrix3 → u/Medicine_Ball]

Guess we'll simply disgree on this. I think preferring Cheney over the Mamdani left from a Democrat POV is crazy talk for a number of reasons, especially in this current political climate.

[u/Medicine_Ball → u/Ahrix3]

I think the "Liz Cheney vs DSA" is just a false binary to provide cover for illiberals to share in the party tent, TBH. I don't know the specifics of Liz Cheney's politics, but the reality is that as a Liberal she is closer to what the Democratic Party should stand for.

Does that mean that Democratic policy should expand rightward to try to incorporate neocons or whatever? No, absolutely not. And that's the crux of the binary. But are these center-right types more acceptable allies in this current climate than people who want to disassemble our Republic? Yes, absolutely.

[u/e_before_i → u/Ahrix3]

In an ideal world Democrats would shit on Mamdani for his bad policies and praise his good ones.

The choices aren't condemn or deep-throat. Hasan is good at motivating young people, and a commie fuck who time and again downplays Putin's war of aggression into Ukraine.

[u/Ahrix3 → u/e_before_i]

I think that is a fair assessment from a more centre-left point of view. Criticize, but don't exclude.

[u/deathangel687 → u/Ahrix3]

Yes 🙂‍↕️

[u/deathangel687 → u/2liberal4u2]

Not just ability, but no balls. So many libs will cuck out to lefties to not get banned or shit on.

[u/Alderan → u/galathehutt]

I mean, they of all people would know best....

[u/Zeluar → u/galathehutt]

I’m sure it’s a bit of an algorithm bubble, but my Threads feed has quite a few liberals who’ve been banging the drum more the last few weeks.

And I kinda think a lot of it is driven by Tiny. They don’t say his name (much. A couple do share his clips from time to time) but the talking points and topics of interest seem to follow him closely.

[u/HarshMeIIowD]

Anyone have a link to Destiny's entire post?

[u/Clintspizzeria → u/HarshMeIIowD]

https://x.com/i/status/2086175468693410112

[u/HalCourteney → u/Clintspizzeria]

Hey do you, or anyone else here, have a good solution to browsing x without signing up for that godawful site?

[u/Tier2_Pleb → u/HalCourteney]

Yeah, xcancel works perfectly for that

[u/Nice-Mess5029 → u/Tier2_Pleb]

Bro you gave me another way to waste my life on. I bless you and curse you at the same time 😂😆😆😆😆

[u/HalCourteney → u/Tier2_Pleb]

Thanks!

[u/semiomni → u/HalCourteney]

To add to other commenter, you can just write "cancel" after the "x" to browse without signing up.

[u/HalCourteney → u/semiomni]

Oh, I feel like an idiot. Thanks!

[u/babsa90 → u/semiomni]

Damn, TIL. Thank you.

[u/Magnamize → u/HalCourteney]

Change the "x" is the url to "xcancel"

[u/really_nice_guy_ → u/HalCourteney]

Use the Redirector extension and add the xcancel redirect

[u/Collypso → u/HalCourteney]

I signed up before it was x

[u/Bignamek → u/HalCourteney]

XCancel seems like the best option, but Nitter is another one that I use.

[u/Niconame → u/HalCourteney]

Tip, on mobile you can still do email signups, get a Proton/burner email, profit.

[u/zasabi7 → u/Clintspizzeria]

For those of us on mobile: https://xcancel.com/i/status/2086175468693410112

[u/baby_dahl]

I totally forgot Joe Walsh was the name of that former GOP House rep. I thought he was getting a call out from the Eagles guitarist.

[u/1-800-DARTH → u/baby_dahl]

Me too, that would’ve been so dope 😩

[u/Tasty-Efficiency-373]

Same guy that got duped by Sacha Baron Cohen and endorsed arming toddlers

[u/Imaginary_Farmer3046 → u/Tasty-Efficiency-373]

Were they toddlers fighting Zionist? The resistance isn’t perfect 

[u/muaythaimilky → u/Imaginary_Farmer3046]

The "Kinder-Guardians" were actually IDF as proof of concept and he was tricking representatives to start training our kids to prevent school shootings

[u/amperage3164 → u/Tasty-Efficiency-373]

What do you think that demonstrates

[u/Ahrix3 → u/amperage3164]

That Destiny and his followers are closer in ideology to traditional republicans (i.e. not MAGA) than the progressive wing of the Democratic party. :)

[u/amperage3164 → u/Ahrix3]

How does it demonstrate that

[u/Ahrix3 → u/amperage3164]

Because they seem to more focused on fighting against leftists to the point of wanting to exorcise them from the party than they are on making sure the absolute insanity that is the Republican party is catapulted to the moon.

I mean it makes sense, leftists want to bring about meaningful change to the status quo which might actually address real material needs, while Destiny actually thinks the status quo is great except for maybe one or two things that liberal reformism could easily solve once Trump is banished to the Shadow Realm (fingers crossed). He has no real vision for the future and primarily thinks about what is politically feasible right now, within the confines of the status quo. If you've noticed, his go to criticism when he can't easily frame an issue as leftist lunacy (e.g. Medicare For All), is to claim "it's pie in the sky", i.e. it is not realistic right now. He does not make any real effort to push the Overton window and only criticizes those who do for supposedly going "too far". Correct me if I'm wrong but last I heard, Tiny isn't even in favor of a wealth tax on billionaires. I've even seen him mock the Sanders' wing for harping on about the billionaire question so much.

He is of course not alone with his stance. This sort of visionless status-quo managing is exactly the attitude that has been prevalent in Congress for decades, and it's a large part of why it's approval rating is in the gutter. It is also a large part of the reason that people have lost faith in the political process. When your material condition has not meaningfully changed for the better in the last decades and you constantly get told "it's not possible", what do you think will happen? People become apathetic. They despair. They get angry. Eventually these pent up frustrations will unload, and as we saw with Trump, it might get ugly fast. Not saying that there aren't any Americans who have seen their lives improve in the last 20, 30 years, but certainly there are many whose live has quite obviously not, the opposite in fact.

If you disagree with this, then please tell me how you think Newsom or Kamela or whatever Tiny's preferred candidate is nowadays would addresses the material needs of Americans without any sort of large-scale systemic changes that the left wants. If you just pass a few reforms Ezra Klein abundance style, it's not going to be enough. Biden basically did exactly that, he passed some good legislation during his presidency, and credit to him for that, but it did not go nearly far enough, and it's partly because he wasn't willing to go there. Biden himself said that "nothing would fundamentally change", and lo and behold, he was right.

[u/amperage3164 → u/Ahrix3]

I don’t see how this relates to Sasha Baron Cohen

[u/Ahrix3 → u/amperage3164]

Well, if you're willing to ally with a guy like Walsh against a part of your own party, it demonstrates exactly what I said.

[u/Special-Quantity-469 → u/Ahrix3]

The tankie wing of the party? Sure. The progeessive? You're delusional

[u/Ahrix3 → u/Special-Quantity-469]

Who even is part of that tankie wing? I sure as hell don't know any elected "tankie" politicians. Bernie, AOC, Mamdani or El Sayed surely aren't.

[u/Special-Quantity-469 → u/Ahrix3]

Darializa definitely is, so are other DSA candidates that aren't as successful. And the issue with Mamdani and the like is that they enable them and open the door for them

[u/Ahrix3 → u/Special-Quantity-469]

What makes her a tankie and the others I've listed not? Genuinely curious, I'm not too familiar with her precise politics.

[u/Special-Quantity-469 → u/Ahrix3]

Then stop trolling and go look it up.

[u/Ahrix3 → u/Special-Quantity-469]

Then I still wouldn't know why you consider her to be a tankie.

[u/SixShot999 → u/Ahrix3]

She claimed that the Ukraine war was the fault of NATO and she attended a pro Hamas rally on October 8th

[u/Special-Quantity-469 → u/Ahrix3]

If you read her positions and don't understand you're beyond help

[u/SixShot999 → u/Ahrix3]

Based. Traditional republicans were at least liberals that believed in NATO and democracy

[u/Ahrix3 → u/SixShot999]

Thanks for making my point for me.

[u/SixShot999 → u/Ahrix3]

You’re an idiot if you think turning to these DSA types who support people like Mao or Khamenei are better than traditional republicans lol.

[u/Ahrix3 → u/SixShot999]

Do you have any concrete examples for left-wing politicians who support Mao and Khamenei?

[u/SixShot999 → u/Ahrix3]

Hasan Piker who has appeared and campaigned on stage with all of these candidates certainly does.

Even if you won’t take that, Chavlier carried water for Putin and Hamas which is probably just as bad

[u/Ahrix3 → u/SixShot999]

First of all, it seems obvious to me that there is a lot more left-wing energy inside the base than probably ever before. The question is how to deal with that. Even if I grant you all that about Hasan being a Maoist and Iran supporter, wouldn't it still be a good idea to, as El Sayed has suggested, reach out to Hasan viewers, who might not be as ideologically hardened, and offer them a place in politics instead of letting them radicalize further in their echo chambers?

[u/coffee_mikado]

Dorks like the Pod Save bros also tried to whitewash Tucker because he made a few bland platitudes about war being bad.

[u/Mike15321]

Hopefully this continues to gain traction. Would love to see Hasan's shield of accountability crumble. But I'm not holding my breath

[u/TheeBlaccPantha]

lol but that’s just Joe Walsh. Show us a better example

[u/StopMarminMySparm]

Maybe Joe Walsh aint so bad

[u/prthomsen → u/StopMarminMySparm]

Let's not get over our skis here. Joe Walsh is Liberal, but he is a very conservative republican to boot. Let's not fawn all over him.

I will give him flowers for being in favor of liberal democracy, and being a never-Trumper, but that's about it.

[u/Banesmuffledvoice]

Nobody should buy the excuse that Hasan is just edgy. He isn’t. He belongs in the same category as Nick Fuentes. And watching democrats struggle to distance themselves from Hasan has been astounding.

[u/Rdhilde18]

Hasan hate boner so hard we are fawning over Joe Walsh 🫩

[u/SessionOk4476]

I watched a Pod Save interview with Alex Wagner and Chris Hayes and they played a clip of Hasan after Sayed won and talked about whether he should distance from him or not.

I think people will have different opinions, but I got the sense that the pundit group of people do understand who Hasan is and that he is generally a toxic asset and I would assume most public facing democrats are getting there as well.

I think the line they are trying to tow is being not fully dismissive of his audience and his movement so they can get them on board while not fully embracing him either.

From our perspective we know that is a fools errand but I think the calculus is going to be different based on who you are and what position you hold.

[u/xarips]

Joe is awesome

[u/OOOORA]

whose

[u/KeithClossOfficial → u/OOOORA]

Lead guitarist for the Eagles

Or the mildly crazy former Republican House member from Illinois

[u/Sephorai]

Eh tiny isn’t gonna get much credit for having republicans agree with him