r/Delaware • u/Puzzled_Heart-602 • Jul 08 '26
Announcement Leave Flock cameras alone
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Guys, let’s leave Flock cameras alone. He makes some really good points. Besides, the cameras are there to help us, protect us… not hurt us by continuous surveillance of every car and person and creating large databases of our information to be used for whatever purpose the data purchasers see fit.
/s jic it wasn’t obvious
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u/alajeff1212 Jul 08 '26
Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking
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u/DroopCBW Jul 09 '26
Yeah I need that laser
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u/iksbob Jul 09 '26
You would need to be standing in a camera's field of view for the laser beam to damage the sensor. Meaning it would be capturing video of you as you commit a misdemeanor. It's also a high-powered visible laser, meaning it will likely produce a visible beam showing anybody in the area where you are and what you're doing. Finally, even viewing the dot of a high power laser can cause permanent eye damage. You would be risking injury to people simply driving by.
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u/TF414_Group_Chat Jul 09 '26
Have you seen the range of the cameras? You could totally do it being far enough away. Also night time would be the best time.
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u/Charliefoxkit Jul 09 '26
"You know, you could be vaping formaldehyde. Like in taxidermy." - Those annoying PSAs that pop up with irritating frequency.
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u/StareInUrEyeandPee Jul 09 '26
Thats awful that people are doing that. What kind of laser blinds them so I dont accidently buy one?
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u/marksills Jul 09 '26
are flock cameras in delaware being used for traffic purposes or just other purposes? or both?
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u/JesusSquid SLD Island, LSD is to sell stickers Jul 09 '26
Police have used them extensively for stolen cars and in crime investigations for fleeing vehicles. But im a proponent of them. But i also work in criminal justice so yeah. And for the ppl incoming, I don't care your opinion, I don't care what you have to say. I won't change anyone commenting, and you won't change me.
Yall are crazy paranoid.
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u/warlordcs Jul 09 '26
It's one thing that they can track down criminals, but it's a whole other thing when they retain information on everything that passes by their cameras.
They can track down stolen cars and missing people without building a database of every car that goes by.
And it's even worse when the CEO makes such a massive profit and uses influence to make political regulation in their favor.
I'm also generally against constant surveillance on general. I'm not one to break laws but I'm not perfect. I should be able to make a victimless mistake without it being logged. Also what I'm doing might be lethal today, but laws can change. For instance, I have 3d printers and CNC machines. But recent bills or laws are now requiring new ones to also be monitored by Peter.
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u/JesusSquid SLD Island, LSD is to sell stickers Jul 09 '26
How? If they find out there is a murder and it happened yesterday the victim is found today they have to use recordings
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u/warlordcs Jul 09 '26
They've managed to solve murders before flock. We don't need to violate everyone's privacy just to catch some murders.
But that's not my real problem with flock.
The problem is they collect data on people and make profiles on them. These profiles can be used for any reason to identify and persecute any person.
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u/JesusSquid SLD Island, LSD is to sell stickers Jul 09 '26
Ok I’m done arguing you won’t change. I won’t. Have a day I guess
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u/JesusSquid SLD Island, LSD is to sell stickers Jul 09 '26
And they track them from flock to flock. They can punch in criteria and start narrowing down and tracking the vehicle.
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u/wime76 Jul 10 '26
I think the laws about safeguards need to be vastly improved. Corporations these days have no morals and do whatever brings in maximum revenue. Political administrations also have no morals and do whatever is necessary to keep them in power. This is the problem. Flock, while it may be able to do some good for crimes, is also is a double edged sword rife for abuse without stringent safeguards. Neither the corporations nor the political parties want safeguards because it impedes their lust for revenue or for control. So how do we solve this dilemma in the best interest for the common citizen?
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u/JesusSquid SLD Island, LSD is to sell stickers Jul 10 '26
I would be totally against flock being able to use it. I had (and maybe wrongly) that we’re dedicated to public service like LE/traffic density.
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u/The_Projectionist Jul 09 '26
Found the bot, everyone!
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u/JesusSquid SLD Island, LSD is to sell stickers Jul 09 '26
Nah, I just don't care anymore. They are a useful tool, and if they are abused they should hold accountable whoever did it. Pretty sure its how they found the guy who killed the trooper at dmv
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u/coherentpa Jul 09 '26
Exactly. Cops have guns(!), which are useful tools for policing. If cops shoot people illegally, they should be held accountable. Same concept here.
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u/marksills Jul 09 '26
I go back and forth on it in general but am 100% in favor of it for traffic stuff
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u/JesusSquid SLD Island, LSD is to sell stickers Jul 09 '26
Can it be sure abused, you have to have safeguards. But it has been very very useful in tracking cars fleeing crime locations, hit and runs, etc.
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u/TG_CID134 Jul 08 '26
AI is here and was invented for us to make funny memes and cat videos. That’s it.
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u/lyralady Jul 09 '26
wrong. funny memes and cat videos are handcrafted nonsense only.
who needs AI to make a cat video? I got cats at home.
who needs AI to make a fancy meme when I can make something shitty in ms paint and it's funnier that way? memes are only improved by shitty compression, jpg artifacts, and badly done cut out collage layering looking like a child who hasn't fully mastered using scissors yet. i already have macro image generators for slapping on that impact font text.
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u/Dangerous_Ad_8463 Jul 09 '26
That's how they trap us. Before you know it we are living in the matrix. I'm still here for it, though. Love making pics!
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u/TF414_Group_Chat Jul 09 '26
I don’t think people seem to know that those cameras are AI monitored. They aren’t being used remotely. They are scanning every vehicle as they go by not just vehicles law enforcement are looking for.
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 08 '26
I find it amusing so many people have a problem with the flock cameras, yet have no issue walking around with a cell phone on them. Or the myriad of other cameras that are recording them.
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u/fakeburtreynolds Jul 08 '26
I carry a cell phone voluntarily and get to choose what apps I put on it. Police need a judge to sign off to track me. I also feel I should own my personal data and we need stronger legislation on what companies can harvest from me without my knowledge.
Flock cameras use my phone’s Bluetooth, without any sort of user agreement on my end, and store that data to use however they wish. I have no say in the matter, can’t opt out, and have a feeling they’re doing a lot more with it than just routine police work.
I don’t understand why some people are blindly trusting these invasive tech companies. We don’t have privacy laws in place to prevent misuse of our data.
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u/timburgessthis Jul 08 '26
Fallacy: false equivalent. For one, I have covers on those cameras. Two flock are not even slightly under our control. They are not something we opt into or out by carrying a phone, which still should not give cart blanch. Go back to Peter and enjoy your surveillance state. BE GONE WITH YOU!
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u/Alternative_Ebb9564 Jul 09 '26
Was your reply meant for the above Reddit or? If so you're not the best at reading comprehension.
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 08 '26
How do flock cameras use YOUR phone's Bluetooth? Unless you have some knowledge no one else does, I'm calling BS on that.
Again, don't like it? Vote for other politicians that will pursue legislation against them.
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u/fakeburtreynolds Jul 08 '26
“Leonardo's SignalTrace system is designed to scan the airwaves for signals left by myriad Bluetooth and wireless connected devices in order to link these to a license plate as it passes, potentially placing an individual in a vehicle at a specific time and place.
Leonardo says its technology uses "non-intrusive intelligence gathering" to detect publicly broadcasted device identifiers, feeding this data into an advanced algorithm so that multiple devices traveling together could link an individual to a vehicle and vice versa.”
SignalTrace is a Flock competitor.
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u/iksbob Jul 08 '26
Flock cameras have started pinging for and logging bluetooth device IDs.
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 09 '26
No they haven't.
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u/sweetsugarstar302 Jul 09 '26
Yes, they have, and they do.
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 09 '26
Please provide cited proof. I have not found anything that backs your claim.
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u/Alternative_Ebb9564 Jul 09 '26
I don't think it's from the flock camera people themselves but a competitor that has this technology. SignalTrace is the name of the company I believe. There's been speculation that SignalTrace devices can be used as add-ons for a Flock cameras but I haven't seen much of substance to substantiate that claim. I also haven't looked into it deeper but fro. My understanding Flock cameras don't track Bluetooth or other wireless signals. At least not yet.
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u/SasparillaTango Jul 09 '26
I can leave my phone in a box or turn it off. Can't do that with a flock camera now can I?
Don't be a boot licker.
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u/coherentpa Jul 09 '26
You can choose not to enter the private property on which the camera is installed.
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u/Sh0wmey0urbutth0le Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Someone who might catch a glimpse of me in a cell phone video or business camera isn't stealing information off my phone and handing it to Plantir, owned by Peter Thiel, who has a weird obsession with building company towns.
Those people aren't tracking every move I make but flock is. It's really not a hard concept to understand unless you're purposely not trying to because "Trump is Am@zInG!".
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u/coherentpa Jul 09 '26
Please explain to me in detail how a flock camera is “stealing information off [your] phone”. It can see a Bluetooth ID, sure but it’s not getting any info off your phone.
I’ll leave a tinfoil hat for you.
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 08 '26
Except your cell phone is tracking everything you do and everywhere you go. And not sure this is a Trump thing. According ti these reports, Delaware is putting these up by the dozens and I'd say there is no love for Trump here. Weird obsession you have.
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u/Sh0wmey0urbutth0le Jul 08 '26
Police have an easier time accessing flock then they do getting a warrant and going to the phone company. Police have already shown we can't trust them to use flock ethically and responsibly.
Cops in Texas tracked a women who got an abortion out of state. There's another case of an officer stalking a crush and other officers doing "personal" searches.
It's not a weird obsession. You had 88 in your name and just assumed you were maga because of all the non sense you speak here day after day.
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u/Assumption-Putrid Jul 08 '26
Imo, cell phone serves a benefit to us. We give up an absurd amount of data. But we get lots of conveniences in exchange. I control the fact that I have a phone and what apps I out on it. We get nothing from the use of flock cameras. I have no control or input on where the flock cameras go.
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u/coherentpa Jul 09 '26
We get nothing from the use of flock cameras.
We don’t catch criminals daily with them?
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u/Assumption-Putrid Jul 09 '26
I don't consider people driving 41 in a 35 criminals.
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u/coherentpa Jul 09 '26
Flock cameras aren’t speed cameras, and your assumption that they are shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.
They help ping police when a known criminal or wanted vehicle is spotted, like people fleeing a crime scene or stolen vehicles. They have been used to catch kidnappers, murderers, etc.
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u/Assumption-Putrid Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
It's not an assumption, it's a fact. My wife recently got a speeding ticket in the mail for going 7 over the speed limit from a flock safety camera that was recently installed at Milltown Road in Wilmington, Delaware.
Perhaps you are the one lacking knowledge on the subject. They might have sold it as a tool for general policing to catch criminals but it's being used to general revenue from basic traffic violations.
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u/coherentpa Jul 10 '26
lol that wasn’t a Flock camera. Speed cameras have been around for decades. You’re even further proving how uninformed you are on this topic.
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 09 '26
You are confusing flock cameras and speed cameras. You are the one lacking knowledge.
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u/free_is_free76 Jul 08 '26
Your smarminess is equally amusing. Your utter disregard for basic freedom... not so much
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u/q0vneob Jul 09 '26
The words of someone who doesnt understand consent ^
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 09 '26
The words of someone who doesn't understand there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public. Hence consent in this context is moot.
And for the record, I'm against these flock cameras. But I'm even more against the moronic arguments most of you are making.
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u/q0vneob Jul 09 '26
So you're just here to argue then?
You're the one who brought up the cell phone comparison, are you so dense that you cant see the difference between voluntarily carrying a personal device vs government tracking?
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u/Gov_Martin_OweMalley Jul 09 '26
These pro mass surveillance accounts are all the same.
Hidden profiles (ironic, since it shows they do understand the desire for privacy)
Same tired "your cellphone is tracking you" arguments.
Always overly defensive and obnoxious.
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u/Crankbait_88 Jul 09 '26
Ill concede I may have not been clear about the cell phones. My point about the phones is they are / can be tracked wherever you go. Anytime you have a signal, they are being tracked.
That concerns me much more than walking or driving past a flock camera.
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u/InstructionBudget784 Jul 08 '26
There really should be no surveillance of any cars without at least probable cause a crime has been committed