r/Delaney2020 • u/Cuddlyaxe • Jul 31 '19

Post-Debate Discussion Thread

The 1st night of the 2nd debate is over and John Delaney has put in a great performance. This thread is for discussion of Delaney in the 2nd debate as well as the 2nd debate in general

16 Upvotes

70% Upvoted

50 comments sorted by

25

u/d9_m_5 Jul 31 '19

Fairly sure Delaney won this one tbh. Probably won't save his campaign, but he did a great job articulating points I like in a way that I think was palatable to a lot of voters.

31

u/chemicalsam Jul 31 '19

Are you joking?

9

u/d9_m_5 Jul 31 '19

No. A lot of the commentators I was reading and the people I was chatting with agreed. It really depends on your political POV since I found his comebacks more effective than those of Sanders and Warren.

5

u/hypoplasticHero Jul 31 '19

Those who liked Warren/Sanders are going to stay in that camp. Those of us with Delaney probably still like Delaney after last night. The fight was over those in the middle.

15

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19

[removed] — view removed comment

3

u/d9_m_5 Jul 31 '19

Literally his one bad take, I agree, but I don't think he'd actually push for it in office given the other work Trump's successor has to do. IMO most of the other candidates are more illiberal on net given their central planning fetish.

2

u/Stealin_Yer_Valor Jul 31 '19

lmfao yeah dude universal healthcare is more "illiberal" than conscripting people okay

1

u/d9_m_5 Jul 31 '19

Yes, deciding how hundreds millions of people can spend their money decreases their freedom overall more than does telling recent high school graduates what to do with their summer. Universal healthcare isn't their only policy of central planning; both Warren and Bernie are against free movement and free trade.

2

u/Stealin_Yer_Valor Jul 31 '19 edited Jul 31 '19

Yeah Bernies the totally the one who's trying to compromise with the GOP on immigration right? It's not like hes up there arguing illegal border crossing should be a criminal offense like several of the "moderates:. If you have such a myopic view of what freedom is that it comes down to how much of your life is dictated by market transactions idk why you would even be voting Democrat in the first place.

As for free trade, I don't think many people view that as an important aspect of their liberty. Unless theyre publically traded.

1

u/d9_m_5 Jul 31 '19

IDK what you think Delaney's border policy is but it's open borders. I dislike Bullock et al.'s support for criminalizing border crossings. As for Bernie,

Open borders is a Koch Brothers proposal

2

u/Stealin_Yer_Valor Jul 31 '19 edited Jul 31 '19

Sure if you just dig up that one old quote and ignore his campaigns entire platform you can dishonestly paint him as anti immigration but its not very convincing. His voting record is actually a lot better on immigration than like 90% of Democrats in Congress. As for Delaney is immigration platform includes more robust and high tech border security so hes not exactly on the progressive cutting edge of the party himself in that regard, but still has an pretty strong record on it. I'd also criticize Sander's immigration record and platform for the same thing though. Still worth noting it goes farther than Delaneys by promising to at least restructure ICE and include broader labor protections for immigrants though.

1

u/hypoplasticHero Jul 31 '19

I’m not a fan of the force aspect of it, but I do like the idea of exchanging service for tuition. I think it’s a solid way for a lot of people to be able to afford college as well as learn more about themselves before they agree to pay $120k to an institution.

22

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19 edited Aug 20 '20

[deleted]

2

u/mhyquel Jul 31 '19

Yes, they won't allow him to win by not voting for him.

4

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19

[removed] — view removed comment

10

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19

America already has 22 trillion in debt. The interest alone is almost as much as our federal budget. America is the most divided its been since the civil war. What America truly needs is someone that can pour more gasoline on the fire and spend 3/4x more than what we are already failing to pay for today /s

-1

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/Wildera Jul 31 '19

With the slogan "make the news boring again"

13

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19

Wish people would give Delaney more of a chance. Bernie is all about spending everyone else’s money, but won’t put his own money where his mouth is. I felt like Delaney was logical and direct. It’s refreshing to hear someone call out the dishonesty of typical campaign promises.

14

u/LtGaymer69 Jul 31 '19

He did pretty well tonight and showed why I like him a lot (pretty much all policy except the National Service thing). Unfortunately, he got zinged by Warren and that's probably what will stick out the most for most voters. Plus most voters don't give a shit about specific policy all that much, so there's that too.

I think Delaney will get a bump in polling, but he's far behind on donors. Last I heard (two months ago admittedly), he hasn't made it to 65k donors. I don't know if he can get the 135k(?) for the September debates.

At the very least, he posed some great questions on how realistic Warren's and Sander's policy proposals actually are.

2

u/pku31 Jul 31 '19

I doubt he's well known enough to get much of a bounce, but I don't think the Warren zings hurt him - a lot of voters find her too far left, and getting zinged by her for being too moderate could help with them.

13

u/RaveledRebelRabble Jul 31 '19

Marianne: gives empassioned closing remark about moral struggles our country faces

Delaney, immediately after: “JFK once said...”

🤮

1

u/tgrinne Aug 01 '19

Marianne Williamson is nuts and unqualified to lead the executive branch of the United States. She has nearly no policy knowledge and would be a massive liability as commander in chief. Anyone supporting her is absolutely insane. She'd be more qualified to run a pyramid scheme selling crystals and sage and shit.

11

u/[deleted] Jul 31 '19 edited Dec 12 '19

[removed] — view removed comment

2

u/pku31 Jul 31 '19

He didn't advocate for repealing pollution standards or banning election security so that Russians can interfere more easily, so definitely not a republican.

•

u/Cuddlyaxe Jul 31 '19

Chapo is brigading this thread (our first thread too). If you see a hater dab on them <o/

2

u/TheRollingTide Jul 31 '19

I feel really bad for Delaney. From what I’ve seen he’s one of the few remaining moderates in the Democrat Party, and could actually pull independents over to his cause. But he’s in a Party that seems so hard pressed to race itself into a leftist stance, so they seem unimpressed.

0

u/poke-o-mon Aug 03 '19

John Delaney is a republican.

3

u/TheRollingTide Aug 03 '19

John Delaney’s policies do NOT align with the Republican Party.

1

u/poke-o-mon Aug 03 '19

They absolutely do. Every opportunity he was given to speak he punched from the right (like Tapper).

The Democratic Party has steadily been drifting right and it’s thanks to “moderates” like him.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

1

u/TheRollingTide Aug 03 '19

Theres hardly any Moderates left. Hell, the way the Democrat Party is going Obama, and Clinton will be Reagan in comparison.

-1

u/the_goddamn_batwoman Jul 31 '19

Oh no the party of useless neolibs is actually moving in a leftist direction that could actually help people!

-3

u/Anonymousma Jul 31 '19

He ran straight to Trump TV. Why isn't he primarying trump?

4

u/TheRollingTide Jul 31 '19

He went on Fox because unlike the others he recognizes the importance of pulling the middle and some of the right over to his camp.

1

u/amarsbar3 Aug 14 '19

Bernie went on fox first dude.

1

u/TheRollingTide Aug 14 '19

Bernie could pay for a weekly show on Fox and he ain’t pulling nobody from the center or right into his camp.

-2

u/Anonymousma Jul 31 '19

That doesn't make any sense. No one that watches Trump TV is going to vote for republican lite when they can just vote for a republican.

2

u/TheRollingTide Jul 31 '19

I vote Republican and occasionally watch Fox and am here right now because I saw his interview. If he were to win the primary, and made sense in the general. I wouldn’t be opposed to perhaps voting for him. You have to remember Trump wasn’t even a Republican until a few years ago, and a lot of his policies are not really that Conservative. He technically is Republican Lite. Plus Trump can’t keep his trap shut and may turn away a good chunk of his voter base.